Popular Post morrobay Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 (edited) High time to stop sending Billions down this rat hole. Putin is going to end up with about half of Ukraine anyway, should have let him have it a long time ago. And spare the "domino effect" here. Russia is not going to invade Europe. Seems all that institutional bribing, I mean campaign contributions from the military industrial complex to the policy makers has paid 📴 on that not such a winding road from Afghanistan and Iraq to Ukraine. Hopefully a Trump president would get out of that lost cause. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/01/11/us-failed-track-more-1-billion-military-gear-given-ukraine-pentagon-watchdog-says.html Edited January 12 by morrobay 1 5 3 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 (edited) “There remains no credible evidence of illicit diversion of U.S.-provided advanced conventional weapons from Ukraine," Slava Ukraine! Putin can go to hell Edited January 12 by ozimoron 6 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Just now, morrobay said: Just Baffled at the level of denial with you people https://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-department-of-defense-lost-track-weapons-ukraine-2024-1. so what? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post morrobay Posted January 12 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, ozimoron said: so what? So $ billions of weapons getting lost, some no doubt ending up with terrorists. "So what" The Southern border invasion in the US costing billions. "So what" Anarchy/mass looting in the liberal saps run cities."So what" Both of which could be prevented with an Army Corps of Engineers WALL from the Pacific to the Gulf. And sending the military into cities to restore order. Providing the US gets the president it needs: RFK jr. DeSantis, or Trump. Preferred DeSantis. That's what. 2 3 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, morrobay said: High time to stop sending Billions down this rat hole Where else did i hear of billions missing? " How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post morrobay Posted January 12 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 12 11 minutes ago, sirineou said: Where else did i hear of billions missing? " How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1 Invading Iraq after 9 11 would be like invading Argentina after Pearl Harbor. https://www.corpwatch.org/article/cheney-halliburton-and-spoils-war 2 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 Sooooo, a billion $ looted, LOL. Why am I not surprised? It's apparently a notoriously corrupt country. Someone in the US should face charges though, for letting it happen. They must have known it was going to get stolen. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, morrobay said: Invading Iraq after 9 11 would be like invading Argentina after Pearl Harbor. https://www.corpwatch.org/article/cheney-halliburton-and-spoils-war Follow the money. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 6 hours ago, morrobay said: Invading Iraq after 9 11 would be like invading Argentina after Pearl Harbor. https://www.corpwatch.org/article/cheney-halliburton-and-spoils-war After 9/11 they had to kick someone's ass , and it certainly would not be the place where most of the terrorists came from. It would had crashed the world economy. (SA controlled 20-25% world reserves 2003) So go after Saddam and kill two birds with one stone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrobay Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, sirineou said: After 9/11 they had to kick someone's ass , and it certainly would not be the place where most of the terrorists came from. It would had crashed the world economy. (SA controlled 20-25% world reserves 2003) So go after Saddam and kill two birds with one stone. Sure Saddam had to go. And Osama bin laden had to go. But no country had to be invaded. All required would be US special forces. Snipers for Saddam and army rangers to get Osama in Afghanistan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, morrobay said: Sure Saddam had to go. And Osama bin laden had to go. But no country had to be invaded. All required would be US special forces. Snipers for Saddam and army rangers to get Osama in Afghanistan. It was that easy, eh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sirineou Posted January 13 Popular Post Share Posted January 13 13 hours ago, morrobay said: Sure Saddam had to go. And Osama bin laden had to go. But no country had to be invaded. All required would be US special forces. Snipers for Saddam and army rangers to get Osama in Afghanistan. Why did Saddam had to go? Sure he was a bad actor but the world was and is full of bad actors and we don't take them out, Why Saddam? If you were to pull Saddam's pants down on his ass there was a USDA stamp and a made in the US stamp. We didn't seem to mind when he was gassing the Kurds with gas we had given him, We in fact run interference for him when the deed was reported in the world news. What was he doing now that he was not doing then? The truth of the meter is that the US needed a fall guy and Saddam was a convenient soft target. The US only invades soft targets. With the additional benefit of many in the US getting very wealthy. What do you think happen to all those billions that were unaccounted for? On the subject of Ukraine before the war Ukraine was considered to be one of the most corrupt countries, then we are to believe that after the invasion they became angels at the beginning of the war? I wonder how many in Ukraine have become fantastically rich from the US? How many more millions Zelenski has in his secret offshore accounts? 1 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrobay Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 (edited) Saddam was a war criminal. Just because no action taken against others does not spare him. .50 cal sniper teams . Instead the whole Suni government was dismantled thus enabling Shia Iran to get in. After 9/11 Osama bin laden escaped to remote Afghanistan.Army Rangers unfortunately contracted the task to the Afghanistan militias. Didn't work out too well. And a waste of twenty years $ Edited January 13 by morrobay 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted January 13 Popular Post Share Posted January 13 41 minutes ago, sirineou said: What do you think happen to all those billions that were unaccounted for? That is a very important question and one that requires answering. 41 minutes ago, sirineou said: On the subject of Ukraine before the war Ukraine was considered to be one of the most corrupt countries, then we are to believe that after the invasion they became angels at the beginning of the war? Ukraine was corrupt prior to the war. However, what it looks like - territorially, politically, institutionally, morally, etc - when the conflict ends, is anyone's guess at this stage. 41 minutes ago, sirineou said: I wonder how many in Ukraine have become fantastically rich from the US? How many more millions Zelenski has in his secret offshore accounts? In the absence of any supporting evidence, that is just idle speculation. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrobay Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 (edited) Let's avoid this rabbit hole on where the billions went. Long gone. It's for sure the military industrial complex is getting billions. Again on that not such a winding road from Afghanistan and Iraq to Ukraine.Meanwhile back in the USA . Those wasted billions are needed for infrastructure: ports, rail, roads, bridges, inner city decay... And a WALL Edited January 13 by morrobay 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted January 13 Popular Post Share Posted January 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, morrobay said: Let's avoid this rabbit hole on where the billions went. Long gone. It's for sure the military industrial complex is getting billions. Again on that not such a winding road from Afghanistan and Iraq to Ukraine.Meanwhile back in the USA . Those wasted billions are needed for infrastructure: ports, rail, roads, bridges, inner city decay... Lets stop the war and let Putin win then have to spend trillions fighting him later. Helping Ukraine fight him now is a bargain for the US, Civilized nations don't let aggressor war criminals win. Edited January 13 by ozimoron 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Sooooo, a billion $ looted, LOL. Why am I not surprised? It's apparently a notoriously corrupt country. Someone in the US should face charges though, for letting it happen. They must have known it was going to get stolen. Joe knows... 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Just now, Skipalongcassidy said: Joe knows... If ignorance was gold, the streets would be paved in gold. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skipalongcassidy Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, ozimoron said: If ignorance was gold, the streets would be paved in gold. Bbbbut Joe is the president and is in charge... shouldn't he know? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, sirineou said: Why did Saddam had to go? Sure he was a bad actor but the world was and is full of bad actors and we don't take them out, Why Saddam? If you were to pull Saddam's pants down on his ass there was a USDA stamp and a made in the US stamp. We didn't seem to mind when he was gassing the Kurds with gas we had given him, We in fact run interference for him when the deed was reported in the world news. What was he doing now that he was not doing then? The truth of the meter is that the US needed a fall guy and Saddam was a convenient soft target. The US only invades soft targets. With the additional benefit of many in the US getting very wealthy. What do you think happen to all those billions that were unaccounted for? On the subject of Ukraine before the war Ukraine was considered to be one of the most corrupt countries, then we are to believe that after the invasion they became angels at the beginning of the war? I wonder how many in Ukraine have become fantastically rich from the US? How many more millions Zelenski has in his secret offshore accounts? @sirineou Quote How many more millions Zelenski has in his secret offshore accounts? What 'secret offshore accounts'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 46 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Lets stop the war and let Putin win then have to spend trillions fighting him later. Helping Ukraine fight him now is a bargain for the US, Civilized nations don't let aggressor war criminals win. @ozimoron Indeed, but too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 1/12/2024 at 8:28 AM, morrobay said: So $ billions of weapons getting lost, some no doubt ending up with terrorists. "So what" The Southern border invasion in the US costing billions. "So what" Anarchy/mass looting in the liberal saps run cities."So what" Both of which could be prevented with an Army Corps of Engineers WALL from the Pacific to the Gulf. And sending the military into cities to restore order. Providing the US gets the president it needs: RFK jr. DeSantis, or Trump. Preferred DeSantis. That's what. Burying a weapon in the head of a Russian invader is not the definition of losing it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted January 13 Popular Post Share Posted January 13 (edited) 4 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said: Bbbbut Joe is the president and is in charge... shouldn't he know? No. The pentagon should know. Biden is not the accountant in chief. Your side wants to defund the military and then cries foul when they don't count every bullet. You can't make this stuff up. Edited January 13 by ozimoron 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/12/2024 at 11:14 PM, morrobay said: Sure Saddam had to go. And Osama bin laden had to go. But no country had to be invaded. All required would be US special forces. Snipers for Saddam and army rangers to get Osama in Afghanistan. I'd like to agree with you, but IMO a group of obviously not Afghanis wandering around would never have gone un noticed. Also, no way they could take enough supplies to stay long enough to do the job and move out to safety. They could have parachuted in, but getting out might not have been easy, given the example of Carter's botched action in Iran. There are literally dozens of reasons any such action might go wrong. Yes, they succeeded in getting Osama in Pakistan, but needed locals to assist and they paid the price after being shamefully abandoned by the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/13/2024 at 1:53 PM, sirineou said: Why did Saddam had to go? Sure he was a bad actor but the world was and is full of bad actors and we don't take them out, Why Saddam? If you were to pull Saddam's pants down on his ass there was a USDA stamp and a made in the US stamp. We didn't seem to mind when he was gassing the Kurds with gas we had given him, We in fact run interference for him when the deed was reported in the world news. What was he doing now that he was not doing then? The truth of the meter is that the US needed a fall guy and Saddam was a convenient soft target. The US only invades soft targets. With the additional benefit of many in the US getting very wealthy. What do you think happen to all those billions that were unaccounted for? On the subject of Ukraine before the war Ukraine was considered to be one of the most corrupt countries, then we are to believe that after the invasion they became angels at the beginning of the war? I wonder how many in Ukraine have become fantastically rich from the US? How many more millions Zelenski has in his secret offshore accounts? Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) On 1/13/2024 at 3:10 PM, morrobay said: Let's avoid this rabbit hole on where the billions went. Long gone. It's for sure the military industrial complex is getting billions. Again on that not such a winding road from Afghanistan and Iraq to Ukraine.Meanwhile back in the USA . Those wasted billions are needed for infrastructure: ports, rail, roads, bridges, inner city decay... And a WALL If someone in the US doesn't get punished for letting it happen the problem will just happen again in the next conflict. Happened in Iraq too, I understand. OR The US knew the money would "disappear" and consider it part of the cost of proxy wars. Those wasted billions are needed for infrastructure: ports, rail, roads, bridges, inner city decay LOL. You don't expect the swamp to care about what happens in the US, do you? So much less opportunity for a bit of diversion of funds inside the US. Edited January 14 by thaibeachlovers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrobay Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: I'd like to agree with you, but IMO a group of obviously not Afghanis wandering around would never have gone un noticed. Also, no way they could take enough supplies to stay long enough to do the job and move out to safety. They could have parachuted in, but getting out might not have been easy, given the example of Carter's botched action in Iran. There are literally dozens of reasons any such action might go wrong. Yes, they succeeded in getting Osama in Pakistan, but needed locals to assist and they paid the price after being shamefully abandoned by the US. It is very much more complicated/many layers than that ^ See The Tora Bora Report on pdf . Osama bin laden could have should have been eliminated.https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CPRT-111SPRT53709/html/CPRT-111SPRT53709.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 15 Popular Post Share Posted January 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: If someone in the US doesn't get punished for letting it happen the problem will just happen again in the next conflict. Happened in Iraq too, I understand. OR The US knew the money would "disappear" and consider it part of the cost of proxy wars. Those wasted billions are needed for infrastructure: ports, rail, roads, bridges, inner city decay LOL. You don't expect the swamp to care about what happens in the US, do you? So much less opportunity for a bit of diversion of funds inside the US. You do know about the Biden infrastructure bill don’t you? Or has your habit of blocking stuff you can’t deal with now extended to avoiding the real world? Edited January 15 by Chomper Higgot 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/12/2024 at 7:06 AM, morrobay said: High time to stop sending Billions down this rat hole. Putin is going to end up with about half of Ukraine anyway, should have let him have it a long time ago. And spare the "domino effect" here. Russia is not going to invade Europe. Seems all that institutional bribing, I mean campaign contributions from the military industrial complex to the policy makers has paid 📴 on that not such a winding road from Afghanistan and Iraq to Ukraine. Hopefully a Trump president would get out of that lost cause. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/01/11/us-failed-track-more-1-billion-military-gear-given-ukraine-pentagon-watchdog-says.html I think it is a sight more than $1 billion and I am sick, as a taxpayer, of having to fund this finical disaster in Ukraine. Cut all aid now. Slava Russia. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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