"Gaza Conflict Toll Surpasses 25,000: Political Stalemate and International Concerns"

[Social Media]

 

The Gaza conflict has reached a devastating milestone, with the Hamas-run health ministry reporting over 25,000 casualties during Israel's ongoing offensive. In the past 24 hours alone, 178 lives were lost, marking one of the deadliest days in the war. As the violence persists, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu once again rejected the idea of creating a Palestinian state, emphasizing the deep-rooted differences in perspectives on a two-state solution.

 

Israel's offensive was triggered by an October 7 attack in which Hamas fighters killed 1,300 people in southern Israel and took over 240 hostages. Hamas.

 

Israel's military operation is currently concentrated in southern Gaza, with a focus on the city of Khan Younis, where the military believes top Hamas commanders are located. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) recently discovered a tunnel measuring 830m (2,700ft), equipped with booby-traps and blast doors. IDF footage revealed what seemed to be a tunnel with cells and mattresses, where around 20 hostages, including children, were believed to have been held at various points. However, none were found during the tunnel's discovery.

 

Renewed attacks in the north of the Gaza Strip targeted Israeli soldiers, with Hamas reportedly seizing an opening around the town of Jabalia as Israel moved troops and tanks south. Despite Israel's military superiority, significant resistance persists across Gaza more than three months into the conflict.

 

US intelligence agencies estimate that Israel has killed 20-30% of Hamas fighters, falling short of Netanyahu's goal of "completely destroying" the group. The classified report also indicates that Hamas still possesses sufficient munitions to sustain strikes against Israel and its forces for months, raising concerns about the potential for a prolonged war with repercussions for Israel's military and political landscape.

 

The apparent slow progress, the absence of captured or killed top Hamas commanders, and the collective trauma over the Israeli hostages still missing are fueling anti-government sentiment in Israel. Simultaneously, a relatively small anti-war movement is demonstrating, expressing horror at the intense and destructive military campaign in Gaza.

 

While most Israelis have rallied around their flag, a recent poll indicates that only 15% of the public believes Prime Minister Netanyahu should stay in office once the war concludes. The disagreement between Netanyahu and Israel's Western allies on the issue of a Palestinian state further complicates the situation. Netanyahu's rejection of a future Palestinian state, emphasized in a post on X (formerly Twitter), clashes with international sentiments. 

 

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[Jeff the Chef]

So situation normal, all parties carry on as before, another load of killing on both sides aided and abetted by the USA and Israel on one side and Hamas and their supporters on the other. The poor people in the middle dying and being reduced to refugee status on the whim of the totally uncaring leaders of both camps.

Humanity in 2024 is a disgrace no matter which side you look at, civilization is lost on all sides. 

[Neeranam]

9 hours ago, Social Media said:

Israel's military operation is currently concentrated in southern Gaza

Is that because they've either killed or displaced everyone in northern Gaza?

[Bkk Brian]

I like this.................

 

Problem # 1: There are too many deaths in Gaza.

Solution: Hamas surrenders, returns the hostages, and just like that, no more deaths. 

 

Problem # 2: There’s a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Solution: Hamas surrenders, returns the hostages, and just like that, no more crisis. 

 

Problem # 3: Gaza is being destroyed.

Solution: Hamas surrenders, returns the hostages, and just like that, no more destruction. 

 

Problem # 4: We need a ceasefire now! 

Solution: Hamas surrenders, returns the hostages, and just like that, a ceasefire. 

 

Picking up on a pattern? That’s right. Every single death is on Hamas and as soon as they surrender and return the hostages, that day, magically, that will be the end of the war. 

So instead of coming to Israel with complaints and problems, go to Hamas with the solution. 

 

The EU Parliament resolution gets it.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I like this.................

 

Problem # 1: There are too many deaths in Gaza.

Solution: Hamas surrenders, returns the hostages, and just like that, no more deaths. 

 

Problem # 2: There’s a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Solution: Hamas surrenders, returns the hostages, and just like that, no more crisis. 

 

Problem # 3: Gaza is being destroyed.

Solution: Hamas surrenders, returns the hostages, and just like that, no more destruction. 

 

Problem # 4: We need a ceasefire now! 

Solution: Hamas surrenders, returns the hostages, and just like that, a ceasefire. 

 

Picking up on a pattern? That’s right. Every single death is on Hamas and as soon as they surrender and return the hostages, that day, magically, that will be the end of the war. 

So instead of coming to Israel with complaints and problems, go to Hamas with the solution. 

 

The EU Parliament resolution gets it.

 

You don't get it. The US has said outright that there can't be a peaceful resolution without a Palestinian state.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

You don't get it. The US has said outright that there can't be a peaceful resolution without a Palestinian state.

You missed this was about ending the immediate war, deaths and destruction. The solutions for long term peace are yet to be finalized by all parties. That does not mean the war cannot stop first.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

You missed this was about ending the immediate war, deaths and destruction. The solutions for long term peace are yet to be finalized by all parties. That does not mean the war cannot stop first.

 

It does because Hamas have vowed never to release hostages until a permanent ceasefire is in place. That means there has to be a diplomatic solution or Hamas gets wiped out, along with all the new Palestinian recruits since October 7th and ongoing. Under that scenario the hostages will die as well because they currently protect the top Hamas leaders.

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

It does because Hamas have vowed never to release hostages until a permanent ceasefire is in place. That means there has to be a diplomatic solution or Hamas gets wiped out, along with all the new Palestinian recruits since October 7th and ongoing. Under that scenario the hostages will die as well because they currently protect the top Hamas leaders.

Rubbish. Nobody will cave into Hamas demands for a permanent  ceasefire first. 

Edited January 22 by Bkk Brian

[Morch]

28 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

You don't get it. The US has said outright that there can't be a peaceful resolution without a Palestinian state.

 

@ozimoron

 

Is Hamas into a 'peaceful resolution'? Is Hamas into a version of 'Palestinian State' other than the Eradicate-Israel one?

 

17 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

It does because Hamas have vowed never to release hostages until a permanent ceasefire is in place. That means there has to be a diplomatic solution or Hamas gets wiped out, along with all the new Palestinian recruits since October 7th and ongoing. Under that scenario the hostages will die as well because they currently protect the top Hamas leaders.

 

Oh, Hamas vowed. So that's it then. Hamas also 'vowed' to destroy Israel. For some reason, you seem to take Hamas's demands very seriously, while dismissing Israel's points regarding negotiations. Wonder why that is.

 

You have no idea where the hostages are. Stop making up things.

[ozimoron]

41 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Rubbish. Nobody will cave into Hamas demands for a permanent  ceasefire first. 

 

More than a few Israelis want just that.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

More than a few Israelis want just that.

go ahead, provide a link to that claim that more than a few Israelis want to see the same demands as Hamas

[ozimoron]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

go ahead, provide a link to that claim that more than a few Israelis want to see the same demands as Hamas

 

OMG, are you that ignorant of the politics of Israel? Really?

 

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-polls-regarding-peace-with-the-palestinians

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

OMG, are you that ignorant of the politics of Israel? Really?

 

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-polls-regarding-peace-with-the-palestinians

I am familiar with Hamas demands and I would like you to back up your claim which was:

 

"More than a few Israelis want just that."

 

Hamas want an immediate ceasefire, the withdrawal of all IDF from Gaza and the release of captured Hamas from Oct 7th.

 

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I am familiar with Hamas demands and I would like you to back up your claim which was:

 

"More than a few Israelis want just that."

 

Hamas want an immediate ceasefire, the withdrawal of all IDF from Gaza and the release of captured Hamas from Oct 7th.

 

 

Try reading the whole article. I know you haven't.

 

Israel should not risk provoking Europe, Democrats in the US, and Arab countries and should only act in the context of a negotiated peace agreement.

41%

 

Conduct negotiations with Hamas on a long term arrangement

12%

18%

Edited January 22 by ozimoron

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Try reading the whole article. I know you haven't.

 

Conduct negotiations with Hamas on a long term arrangement

12%

18%

That does not address Hamas demands what is it about providing links to claims that you find so difficult? 

 

Everybody wants negations for the release of hostages and long term solutions. Hamas is making demands not negotiations.

 

https://twitter.com/DavidSaranga/status/1748775380587061739

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

That does not address Hamas demands what is it about providing links to claims that you find so difficult? 

 

Everybody wants negations for the release of hostages and long term solutions. Hamas is making demands not negotiations.

 

https://twitter.com/DavidSaranga/status/1748775380587061739

 

 

Trying to get you to comprehend a rational thought is what I find so difficult. The link above proves my point that many Israelis want a Palestinian state and believe that it's the only way to peace.

[ChipButty]

No ceasefire until they hand the hostages over, lets see what condition they are in and how many are dead

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Trying to get you to comprehend a rational thought is what I find so difficult. The link above proves my point that many Israelis want a Palestinian state and believe that it's the only way to peace.

It in no way proves your claim. As usual

 

[ozimoron]

 

[Jeff the Chef]

Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza
People drink, snack and pose for selfies against a background of explosions as Palestinian death toll mounts in ongoing offensive

 

This article is more than 9 years old, but just as relevant today

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza
People drink, snack and pose for selfies against a background of explosions as Palestinian death toll mounts in ongoing offensive

 

This article is more than 9 years old, but just as relevant today

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

 

   Yes, the people are happy to see the places where Hamas bombs are regularly fired from, being destroyed .

   Those indiscriminate dirty bombs being fired into Israel, (which is a war crime BTW) from Schools in Gaza (which is another war crime BTW) and Israelis happily watch those locations being destroyed

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza
People drink, snack and pose for selfies against a background of explosions as Palestinian death toll mounts in ongoing offensive

 

This article is more than 9 years old, but just as relevant today

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

Why is it relevant today. Shall we also post links to why they were doing that? What Hamas did?

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why is it relevant today. Shall we also post links to why they were doing that? What Hamas did?

 

Why not? It's all relevant. Only the extremists want to pretend that the October 7 attacks happened out of the blue like a zero out of the sun and nobody saw it coming. Everybody else know this is just another phase in the ongoing conflict.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Why not? It's all relevant. Only the extremists want to pretend that the October 7 attacks happened out of the blue like a zero out of the sun and nobody saw it coming. Everybody else know this is just another phase in the ongoing conflict.

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres

 

"the grievances of the Palestinian people cannot justify the appalling attacks by Hamas."

 

Must be one of those extremists you mention

 

 

[Morch]

52 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Try reading the whole article. I know you haven't.

 

Israel should not risk provoking Europe, Democrats in the US, and Arab countries and should only act in the context of a negotiated peace agreement.

41%

 

Conduct negotiations with Hamas on a long term arrangement

12%

18%

 

@ozimoron

 

The first poll cited is from 2020.

The second poll cited is from July 2023.

 

Something happened on 7/10/2024.

 

You think positions are the same?

 

The polls you cited do not address the issue of current negotiations with Hamas and the demands raised.

Edited January 22 by Morch

[Morch]

29 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza
People drink, snack and pose for selfies against a background of explosions as Palestinian death toll mounts in ongoing offensive

 

This article is more than 9 years old, but just as relevant today

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

 

How is it relevant? How many people were there? How widespread that was? Is it happening now?

 

 

[Morch]

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Why not? It's all relevant. Only the extremists want to pretend that the October 7 attacks happened out of the blue like a zero out of the sun and nobody saw it coming. Everybody else know this is just another phase in the ongoing conflict.

 

@ozimoron

 

Nah, it's just you tossing about 'extremists' whenever someone doesn't accept one of your nonsense notions.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres

 

"the grievances of the Palestinian people cannot justify the appalling attacks by Hamas."

 

Must be one of those extremists you mention

 

It's true, Hamas are extremists. Did I suggest differently?

[sirineou]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  If you are going to blame the World, you need to blame UNRWA and the U.N and the Countries that funded Hamas 

Nahh . easier to blame the world.

People talk about the holocaust during WW2 and wonder how did the world allowed it to happen?

Well...... exactly like this. 

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

I agree it is quite lenient, after October 7 my reaction was that the ratios between Palestinians and our victims of the pogrom should be 1 to 1000. So still a long way to go. 

You better be cracking then, don't let Yahweh call you a slacker.