How can the war between Israel and Hamas ever end when so many schools in Gaza - run by a UN agency backed by our millions - teach children to hate Jews?

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You need to accept Israel's right to exist and be willing to live peacefully with Israel as neighbours , once you have stopped the violence , then you can have your own Country .

   The longer you leave it though, the less chance it will be of it ever happening 

   

Yes and thanks to October 7 any hope of that has become even more remote.

[coolcarer]

2 minutes ago, mooping20Baht said:

Nick, I think all 5000 hostages in Israeli jails, for those Israel hasn't bombed and killed yet in Gaza is the suggestion. Of course, then the genocide would just continue.

Are you aware how many journalist, professors and doctors and UNWRA staff have been killed ? Many of them received warnings they would be killed, then the IDF using dumb bombs just decided to wipe out the whole familes, this is happening daily. Its obscene.

Time to get back in the tunnel and hide behind the Civilians. 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Those aren't hostages.

 

Over 1,000 are held without charge. Are they invited guests? Illegal under any law.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, mooping20Baht said:

Nick, I think all 5000 hostages in Israeli jails, for those Israel hasn't bombed and killed yet in Gaza is the suggestion. Of course, then the genocide would just continue.

Are you aware how many journalist, professors and doctors and UNWRA staff have been killed ? Many of them received warnings they would be killed, then the IDF using dumb bombs just decided to wipe out the whole familes, this is happening daily. Its obscene.

 

  You wanted a war with Israel , you need to accept the consequences of waging war .

People get killed in wars , better to avoid wars and not start them 

[mooping20Baht]

historically, only thing that has ever worked is hostage trades.

 

I'm not here to disabuse you of your illusions. take a chance, watch a little al-jazerra.

 

ever hear of the March of Return, what happened?

 

might learn something, or try Hareetz, the center-left Israeli news, people of conscience, need to "kill their darlings" , IMO

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, mooping20Baht said:

historically, only thing that has ever worked is hostage trades.

 

I'm not here to disabuse you of your illusions. take a chance, watch a little al-jazerra.

 

ever hear of the March of Return, what happened?

 

might learn something, or try Hareetz, the center-left Israeli news, people of conscious, need to "kill their darlings" , IMO

You need hostage both sides for that, there are only one set of hostages and they are stuck deep inside dark tunnels being sexually abused, those that haven't been murdered that is. 

[Morch]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Over 1,000 are held without charge. Are they invited guests? Illegal under any law.

 

@ozimoron

 

They are not hostages.

They were not arrested with the intent of trading them for something.

 

More of your Hamas justification BS.

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, mooping20Baht said:

historically, only thing that has ever worked is hostage trades.

 

I'm not here to disabuse you of your illusions. take a chance, watch a little al-jazerra.

 

ever hear of the March of Return, what happened?

 

might learn something, or try Hareetz, the center-left Israeli news, people of conscious, need to "kill their darlings" , IMO

 

These topics are filled with links to both sources. What's your point?

And do tell how 'trades' work, when Hamas is the side that broke the last agreement?

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, mooping20Baht said:

my understanding is 50% may be soldiers, aka POWs , from the Gaza Division, that had kept the Prison guarded all these years.

 

And other hostages, are hostages. Now you do the child prisoners in Israeli's black holes.

 

My understanding is that there are kids among the hostages held in the Gaza Strip. Including a one year old baby. Also, quite a lot of evidence pointing to sexual abuse of female hostages. As a 'woman' (this is an anonymous internet forum, after all) - that doesn't bother you?

 

Hamas broke off the last exchange agreement. Any thoughts on that?

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, mooping20Baht said:

historically, only thing that has ever worked is hostage trades.

 

I'm not here to disabuse you of your illusions. take a chance, watch a little al-jazerra.

 

ever hear of the March of Return, what happened?

 

might learn something, or try Hareetz, the center-left Israeli news, people of conscious, need to "kill their darlings" , IMO

 

   Both Al Jazeera and Hareetz are pro Palestinian biased new sources and Al Jazeera have Hamas connections and report things that are untrue , they live streamed a misfiring Hamas rocket hitting a Gaza hospital and then reported it as an Israeli bomb hitting the hospital  

[mooping20Baht]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

These topics are filled with links to both sources. What's your point?

And do tell how 'trades' work, when Hamas is the side that broke the last agreement?

was the last sentence approved by the IDF censor, or let's see some honest proof of that.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Both Al Jazeera and Hareetz are pro Palestinian biased new sources and Al Jazeera have Hamas connections and report things that are untrue , they live streamed a misfiring Hamas rocket hitting a Gaza hospital and then reported it as an Israeli bomb hitting the hospital  

 

Haaretz is not 'pro-palestinian'. Not in the way AJ is. Lumping them together is way off mark.

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, mooping20Baht said:

was the last sentence approved by the IDF censor, or let's see some honest proof of that.

 

Yawn.

When you've got nothing, blame posters for imaginary stuff.

Hamas breaking off the last exchange agreement was covered extensively on media and widely discussed on this forum.

Maybe AJ didn't feature it.

There are topics about it on this sub-forum, and there is no need to re-hash well known facts every time a new troll comes along.

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Over 1,000 are held without charge. Are they invited guests? Illegal under any law.

What on earth has that got to do with the hostages held by Hamas? Some sick attempt to make a comparison?

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes and thanks to October 7 any hope of that has become even more remote.

 

   It could be the start of a new beginning , wipe Hamas out , get rid of all the old guard and a new generation may emerge who want peace with Israel 

[Nick Carter icp]

34 minutes ago, mooping20Baht said:

historically, only thing that has ever worked is hostage trades.

 

 

 

   Its not really working this time though is it ?

[ozimoron]

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What on earth has that got to do with the hostages held by Hamas? Some sick attempt to make a comparison?

 

I maintain a direct comparison. Those prisoners were also part of Hamas motivation for October 7th and why another terrorist attack was inevitable.

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It could be the start of a new beginning , wipe Hamas out , get rid of all the old guard and a new generation may emerge who want peace with Israel 

 

You think this 'new generation' will just write off all the dead?

[Morch]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

I maintain a direct comparison. Those prisoners were also part of Hamas motivation for October 7th and why another terrorist attack was inevitable.

 

@ozimoron

 

What you maintain is a barrage of Hamas justifications.

 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I maintain a direct comparison. Those prisoners were also part of Hamas motivation for October 7th and why another terrorist attack was inevitable.

Interesting that "you" maintain that. Have you been in private consultations with Hamas, not even the terrorist listed that as a reason in the "publicity" released report on their reasons. 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1317750-hamas-oct-7-was-necessary-normal-response-to-israeli-conspiracies

 

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You think this 'new generation' will just write off all the dead?

 

   Yes, every Country moves on , hopefully the whole mentality of Gaza will change and they will no longer view Israel as an enemy 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

Over 1,000 are held without charge. Are they invited guests? Illegal under any law.

Not good but they are being held for some reason.

Very different than taking random babies and grannies as HOSTAGES like terrorist Hamas.

[ozimoron]

58 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Interesting that "you" maintain that. Have you been in private consultations with Hamas, not even the terrorist listed that as a reason in the "publicity" released report on their reasons. 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1317750-hamas-oct-7-was-necessary-normal-response-to-israeli-conspiracies

 

 

I'm literate and think critically.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not good but they are being held for some reason.

Very different than taking random babies and grannies as HOSTAGES like terrorist Hamas.

 

If there was a reason other than breathing while Hamas they would be charged in accordance with international and Israeli law.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I'm literate and think critically.

And what has that to do with the topic? You never know perhaps we all are but feel no need to mention it

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

If there was a reason other than breathing while Hamas they would be charged in accordance with international and Israeli law.

Again -- NOT HOSTAGES.

It's funny how the River to the Sea Brigade have such a problem with basic definitions of WORDS.

 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

And what has that to do with the topic? 

At least he didn't say he was a stable genius. 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Again -- NOT HOSTAGES.

It's funny how the River to the Sea Brigade have such a problem with basic definitions of WORDS.

 

I'm confused. The last person to use the words "River to the sea " was an Israeli minister. Call them political prisoners if you will. Any term is appropriate for people held without charge. You're just just engaging in more pedantic word play.

 

I'd say the dictionary definition fits the bill, none of these people have been legally accused of a crime.

 

someone who is taken as a prisoner by an enemy in order to force the other people involved to do what the enemy wants:

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hostage

 

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Yes, every Country moves on , hopefully the whole mentality of Gaza will change and they will no longer view Israel as an enemy 

 

Maybe in time. Expecting this generation or the next to forget is a bit much.

[Morch]

30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not good but they are being held for some reason.

Very different than taking random babies and grannies as HOSTAGES like terrorist Hamas.

 

And they were not taken into custody with the aim of 'trading' them with Hamas or anyone.

That difference.