As Israel attacks Rafah, US offers only words of caution

[Nick Carter icp]

9 hours ago, placeholder said:

I provided you a link to an extensive article that discusses the issue of what are the criteria that need to be met to be considered an occupying power. If that article is your idea of incoherence, I'm not surprised at all by your characterization.

 

   Its one of you guys emotive powerful words that you like to use , (a word that doesn't fit the reality)

 

  "Occupying power"

"Colonialism "

  "Apartheid"

 "Genocide" 

"Just Like the Nazis"

 

   Unrelated words just used to get attention 

[Wobblybob]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You need a link to prove that Hamas is not in charge in Gaza? Are they giving orders to the Israelis? What are they telling the Israelis? Please bomb us and be ruthless about it? Don't spare any of us?

I get it, you made it up just like most of your contemporaries and have to lie to make your point, try to be more honest! 

[mooping20Baht]

this is what your supporting with your tacit approval, IMO.

 

“these men are surprised that this is the law; they really are surprised that there is any such thing as law. These defendants did not rely on any law at all. Their program ignored and defied all law…. International law, natural law, German law, any law at all was to these men simply a propaganda device to be invoked when it helped and to be ignored when it would condemn what they wanted to do.”

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, mooping20Baht said:

showing your true colors I see. thanks for making it obvious

It would be helpful if you quoted something so the rest of us know whom you are referring to.

[Nick Carter icp]

22 minutes ago, mooping20Baht said:

 

showing your true colors I see. thanks for making it obvious

 

 

   I have always been the same, I haven't had a change of opinion .

I have been waving my colours around for all to see since the war began 

[Bkk Brian]

A couple of the dead rats can been seen where there was close quarter fighting................

 

The IDF says it has uncovered another major Hamas tunnel network in southern Gaza's Khan Younis, believed to have been used by the terror group's senior officials.

Troops of the elite Yahalom combat engineering unit and additional forces under the 98th Division raided the underground passages, where they encountered several blast doors and other blockages set up by Hamas operatives, the IDF says.

The troops breached the barricades and identified Hamas gunmen in the tunnel, who were then killed in close-quarters combat and with other "special means," according to the IDF.

The IDF says the tunnel — more than a kilometer long — included living quarters, as well as water and electricity infrastructure. It estimates that Hamas invested millions of shekels in its construction.

"This tunnel is part of a strategic and branching underground network located below Khan Younis, which was used by senior Hamas officials and the [terror group's] Khan Younis Brigade for hiding and combat," the IDF says.

 

Edited February 21 by Bkk Brian

[transam]

13 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

Don't hold your breath...... show a link that Hamas is not in charge of Gaza and stop being disingenuous. 

You'll be lucky, he's the king of links too..........🤭

[metisdead]

 

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[Bkk Brian]

Some clarifications on Hospitals and protected status, interesting article. Its something the US came across in places such as Afghanistan and Iraq but obviously not to the extent that Hamas has used them.

 

Hospitals Are Protected Under International Law. But They Cannot be 'Off Limits' | Opinion

That is also why international law specifically requires that hospitals not be used to shield military objectives from attack, for example, if a hospital is used for "interference, direct or indirect, in military operations, such as the use of a hospital as a shelter for able-bodied combatants or fugitives, as an arms or ammunition store, as a military observation post, or as a center for liaison with combat forces," per the U.S. Department of Defense law of war manual. Such uses can lead to a hospital losing its protected status.

https://www.newsweek.com/hospitals-are-protected-under-international-law-they-cannot-off-limits-opinion-1871757

[placeholder]

To those who suffer from the delusion that Hamas is still running things in Gaza:

Gazans Ambush Aid Convoys Amid Food Shortages

"But the Western officials said the attacks appeared to be mostly organized by groups of Gazans who were unaffiliated with Hamas, or were the spontaneous acts of desperate civilians. Hamas officials are barely present on the ground in any part of Gaza, the officials said, and international aid organizations are no longer coordinating their movements with the group that until October controlled the entirety of the territory...

Gazan policemen are now refusing to protect the convoys because they fear they will be targeted by Israel because of their affiliation with the Hamas-run government, the officials said."

https://archive.ph/1bvtW

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/02/21/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news

 

Vital Aid Fails to Reach Gazans as Security Void Grows

Aid groups had been working with Hamas police forces to deliver aid, but U.N. officials said they were increasingly reluctant to do so because they have been targeted by the Israeli military.

Tetro said “Hamas blue police” should be responsible for providing security for aid distribution. But he declined to say how they could continue do so when they have been attacked by Israeli forces that have set out to end Hamas security control in Gaza.

https://archive.ph/oRAD2

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/vital-aid-fails-to-reach-gazans-as-security-void-grows-46d010c9

[coolcarer]

On 2/21/2024 at 11:57 AM, placeholder said:

As for those huge death figures. As the evidence I provided shows, those huge death figures are largely the result of Israel lowering it's standards and targeting what it calls centers of power as a way to convince the people of Gaza to put pressure on Hamas. There's actually more than that. Israel is now targeting for destruction hones that may harbor even junior members of Hamas without regard to collateral death and injury of civilians. And given that there are probably some 80,000 members of Hamas in Gaza, it pretty much allows Israel to attack any high rise and many private homes as well.

80,000 Hamas! The IDF have said they’ve killed 12k. That’s a lot left. No wonder they’ve not declared Hamas as finished yet. Getting rid of them as the government is essential. 

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

To those who suffer from the delusion that Hamas is still running things in Gaza:

Gazans Ambush Aid Convoys Amid Food Shortages

"But the Western officials said the attacks appeared to be mostly organized by groups of Gazans who were unaffiliated with Hamas, or were the spontaneous acts of desperate civilians. Hamas officials are barely present on the ground in any part of Gaza, the officials said, and international aid organizations are no longer coordinating their movements with the group that until October controlled the entirety of the territory...

Gazan policemen are now refusing to protect the convoys because they fear they will be targeted by Israel because of their affiliation with the Hamas-run government, the officials said."

https://archive.ph/1bvtW

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/02/21/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news

 

Vital Aid Fails to Reach Gazans as Security Void Grows

Aid groups had been working with Hamas police forces to deliver aid, but U.N. officials said they were increasingly reluctant to do so because they have been targeted by the Israeli military.

Tetro said “Hamas blue police” should be responsible for providing security for aid distribution. But he declined to say how they could continue do so when they have been attacked by Israeli forces that have set out to end Hamas security control in Gaza.

https://archive.ph/oRAD2

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/vital-aid-fails-to-reach-gazans-as-security-void-grows-46d010c9

Topic on that from yesterday.

 

UN agency halting food deliveries to northern Gaza, citing increasing chaos

https://aseannow.com/topic/1320430-un-agency-halting-food-deliveries-to-northern-gaza-citing-increasing-chaos/

 

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Topic on that from yesterday.

 

UN agency halting food deliveries to northern Gaza, citing increasing chaos

https://aseannow.com/topic/1320430-un-agency-halting-food-deliveries-to-northern-gaza-citing-increasing-chaos/

 

My post was not just about Northern Gaza. Also, it doesn't specifically address the fact that Israel is attacking Hamas police which makes it too hazardous for them to enforce public safety.

 

As the NY Times article I quoted above notes: "Gazan policemen are now refusing to protect the convoys because they fear they will be targeted by Israel because of their affiliation with the Hamas-run government, the officials said."

 

And the Wall St. Journal that I quoted above notes that

"Aid groups had been working with Hamas police forces to deliver aid, but U.N. officials said they were increasingly reluctant to do so because they have been targeted by the Israeli military.

Tetro said “Hamas blue police” should be responsible for providing security for aid distribution. But he declined to say how they could continue do so when they have been attacked by Israeli forces that have set out to end Hamas security control in Gaza."

 

2 interesting articles. Have you read them?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

My post was not just about Northern Gaza. Also, it doesn't specifically address the fact that Israel is attacking Hamas police which makes it too hazardous for them to enforce public safety.

 

As the NY Times article I quoted above notes: "Gazan policemen are now refusing to protect the convoys because they fear they will be targeted by Israel because of their affiliation with the Hamas-run government, the officials said."

 

And the Wall St. Journal that I quoted above notes that

"Aid groups had been working with Hamas police forces to deliver aid, but U.N. officials said they were increasingly reluctant to do so because they have been targeted by the Israeli military.

Tetro said “Hamas blue police” should be responsible for providing security for aid distribution. But he declined to say how they could continue do so when they have been attacked by Israeli forces that have set out to end Hamas security control in Gaza."

 

2 interesting articles. Have you read them?

Nor was the new topic did you read it?

"Several trucks were looted between Khan Younes and Deir al Balah and a truck driver was beaten,” it added. “The remaining flour was spontaneously distributed off the trucks in Gaza City, amidst high tension and explosive anger.”

 

[placeholder]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nor was the new topic did you read it?

"Several trucks were looted between Khan Younes and Deir al Balah and a truck driver was beaten,” it added. “The remaining flour was spontaneously distributed off the trucks in Gaza City, amidst high tension and explosive anger.”

 

Those would be expected consequence of both the lack of an active police force and of desperate people facing starvation. 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Those would be expected consequence of both the lack of an active police force and of desperate people facing starvation. 

Actually there's lots of reasons and I'd say its more about delivering aid in an active war zones as when there are ceasefires the aid moves very well. But I will leave that for the other topic not here. 

 

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Actually there's lots of reasons and I'd say its more about delivering aid in an active war zones as when there are ceasefires the aid moves very well. But I will leave that for the other topic not here. 

 

You're evading the fact that Israel is targeting the very people who could protect convoys.

[Wobblybob]

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Those would be expected consequence of both the lack of an active police force and of desperate people facing starvation. 

The Gazan police force is actually made up of armed members of Hamas, nice try but no cigar. 😕

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You're evading the fact that Israel is targeting the very people who could protect convoys.

That's you making assumptions again from nothing and trying to insert what I'm doing. 

Edited February 22 by Bkk Brian

[placeholder]

 

Just now, Wobblybob said:

The Gazan police force is actually made up of armed members of Hamas, nice try but no cigar. 😕

Well, given that they are police, they are armed. And given that Hamas controlled the government, the police were members of Hamas. That doesn't make them soldiers or terrorists. 

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That's you making assumptions again from nothing and trying to insert what I'm doing. 

I just cited an article from the Wall St. Journal about Israel targeting the police. But if that's not enough for you, how about this:

"Israel has not presented specific evidence for its claim that Hamas is diverting U.N. aid, and its recent targeted killings of Gaza police commanders safeguarding truck convoys have made it “virtually impossible” to distribute the goods safely, a top U.S. envoy said in rare public criticism of Israel...

David Satterfield, the Biden administration’s special Middle East envoy for humanitarian issues, said that with the departure of police escorts following Israeli strikes, criminal gangs are increasingly targeting the truck convoys carrying badly needed aid. He said the lawlessness as well as regular Israeli protests at entry points by those opposed to aid going into Gaza have disrupted delivery.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-envoy-says-israel-has-not-shown-evidence-that-hamas-is-diverting-un-aid-in-gaza

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, placeholder said:

I just cited an article from the Wall St. Journal about Israel targeting the police. But if that's not enough for you, how about this:

"Israel has not presented specific evidence for its claim that Hamas is diverting U.N. aid, and its recent targeted killings of Gaza police commanders safeguarding truck convoys have made it “virtually impossible” to distribute the goods safely, a top U.S. envoy said in rare public criticism of Israel...

David Satterfield, the Biden administration’s special Middle East envoy for humanitarian issues, said that with the departure of police escorts following Israeli strikes, criminal gangs are increasingly targeting the truck convoys carrying badly needed aid. He said the lawlessness as well as regular Israeli protests at entry points by those opposed to aid going into Gaza have disrupted delivery.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-envoy-says-israel-has-not-shown-evidence-that-hamas-is-diverting-un-aid-in-gaza

Couldn't care less, take it to the new topic and I may discuss with you, cant be bothered here

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Couldn't care less, take it to the new topic and I may discuss with you, cant be bothered here

Just another way of saying that you've got nothing.

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Just another way of saying that you've got nothing.

Confirmation you can't post without inserting your imaginary assumptions about other members

 

25 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Couldn't care less, take it to the new topic and I may discuss with you, cant be bothered here

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Topic on that from yesterday.

 

UN agency halting food deliveries to northern Gaza, citing increasing chaos

https://aseannow.com/topic/1320430-un-agency-halting-food-deliveries-to-northern-gaza-citing-increasing-chaos/

 

 

[Wobblybob]

41 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

Well, given that they are police, they are armed. And given that Hamas controlled the government, the police were members of Hamas. That doesn't make them soldiers or terrorists. 

Any news of when the Gazan police will be repainting their panda cars in Gay Pride colours? 🚓

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

Any news of when the Gazan police will be repainting their panda cars in Gay Pride colours? 🚓

The governing body must be still paying their terrorist police force then...

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The governing body must be still paying their terrorist police force then...

Whether or not Hamas is paying its police force is irrelevant. The issue is whether or not the police are able to perform police functions. Have you looked up the meaning of de facto yet?

[placeholder]

8 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Any news of when the Gazan police will be repainting their panda cars in Gay Pride colours? 🚓

Just your way of saying that you've got nothing.

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Any news of when the Gazan police will be repainting their panda cars in Gay Pride colours? 🚓

 

   Only British people over 55 years old would understand what a Panda car is 🙂

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, placeholder said:

Whether or not Hamas is paying its police force is irrelevant. The issue is whether or not the police are able to perform police functions. Have you looked up the meaning of de facto yet?

You saying its irrelevant does not make it irrelevant. Still waiting for that link. Do you need another reminder?