Another Boeing mishap....

[flyingtlger]

Boeing just had another mishap.

The wing of a Boeing plane started to fall apart on an domestic flight from San Francisco to Boston on Monday and had to make an emergency landing in Denver.

Thai Airways just announced they will be purchasing 45, 787 planes from Boeing with an option to purchase another 80 more.  Maybe Thai Airways should reconsider?

 

https://www.fox17online.com/united-flight-makes-emergency-landing-after-part-of-wing-breaks-off#:~:text=The Boeing 757 departed San,times like takeoff and landing.

[Ben Zioner]

14 minutes ago, flyingtlger said:

Boeing just had another mishap.

The wing of a Boeing plane started to fall apart on an domestic flight from San Francisco to Boston on Monday and had to make an emergency landing in Denver.

Thai Airways just announced they will be purchasing 45, 787 planes from Boeing with an option to purchase another 80 more.  Maybe Thai Airways should reconsider?

 

https://www.fox17online.com/united-flight-makes-emergency-landing-after-part-of-wing-breaks-off#:~:text=The Boeing 757 departed San,times like takeoff and landing.

Nonsense. B757 production has stopped in 2004, so this airframe has been flying for 20 years or more. Therefore it is a maintenance issue and not a design/production issue as with the 737 MAX.

[retarius]

30 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Nonsense. B757 production has stopped in 2004, so this airframe has been flying for 20 years or more. Therefore it is a maintenance issue and not a design/production issue as with the 737 MAX.

Read the article, Thai are purchasing 787 dreamliners not 757s. 

 

 

[retarius]

48 minutes ago, flyingtlger said:

Boeing just had another mishap.

The wing of a Boeing plane started to fall apart on an domestic flight from San Francisco to Boston on Monday and had to make an emergency landing in Denver.

Thai Airways just announced they will be purchasing 45, 787 planes from Boeing with an option to purchase another 80 more.  Maybe Thai Airways should reconsider?

 

https://www.fox17online.com/united-flight-makes-emergency-landing-after-part-of-wing-breaks-off#:~:text=The Boeing 757 departed San,times like takeoff and landing.

Totally agree....Thai Airways are idiots, but who knows what extra benefits the directors received for buying Boeing? No wonder Thai went bankrupt with all the corruption. Why didn't they buy decent quality planes from Airbus? 

[Georgealbert]

43 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Nonsense. B757 production has stopped in 2004, so this airframe has been flying for 20 years or more. Therefore it is a maintenance issue and not a design/production issue as with the 737 MAX.

Fully agree, aircraft involved, 757 200,  registration N57111, was manufactured in 1994, but lets not let the real facts get in the way of some posters.

 

The 757 200 has had 579 fatalities, since it started flying in 1982. Mayor incidents.

 

1990 - A Boeing 757-21B passenger plane, registered B-2812, was destroyed when it was struck by a Boeing 737 on Guangzhou-Baiyun Airport (CAN), China.

 

1995 - American Airlines Flight 965 impacted mountainous terrain

1996 - AeroPeru Flight 603, a Boeing 757-200, crashed into the sea off Lima, Peru

 

1996 - Alas Nacionales flight 301 crashed into the ocean

 

2001 - Flight 77 departed Washington-Dulles at 08:10 for Los Angeles. The aircraft was hijacked by five terrorists, then crashed into the Pentagon 

 

2002 - Bashkirian Airlines flight 2937, a Tupolev Tu-154M, and DHL flight 611, a Boeing 757-200PF cargo plane, crashed following a mid-air collision near Überlingen

Edited February 21 by Georgealbert

[mfd101]

Whatever the rights & wrongs in the details, the news merely confirms an increasing worldwide feeling that there are added risks of flying in a Boeing plane.

 

Your average passenger isn't going to distinguish one old Boeing falling apart from a different new Boeing falling apart ...

[Georgealbert]

6 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Whatever the rights & wrongs in the details, the news merely confirms an increasing worldwide feeling that there are added risks of flying in a Boeing plane.

 

Your average passenger isn't going to distinguish one old Boeing falling apart from a different new Boeing falling apart ...

Yes fully agree, Boeing have a lot of work to do, to get the company reputation repaired, if it is even possible.

 

This type of incident also gives the media an easy and possibly sensational headline/story.

 

I like this quote from a passenger looking out the window on the 757 200

 

“there was some panic onboard the plane at first, as passengers saw what had happened to the wing, "but the pilot had come back, looked at it, took some pictures of it, talked to the guys on the ground, said yup, proceed to Denver [they said], shouldn’t be a problem."

[Ben Zioner]

35 minutes ago, retarius said:

Totally agree....Thai Airways are idiots, but who knows what extra benefits the directors received for buying Boeing? No wonder Thai went bankrupt with all the corruption. Why didn't they buy decent quality planes from Airbus? 

Unfortunately for you the 787 is the most innovating airliner currently flying around the world. Major innovations are the carbon only frame and no bleed architecture. It is a huge commercial success with nearly 2000 orders and 1100 deliveries.

 

The 787 program was launched as a response to the A380 from Airbus. Boeing responded with innovation and sound market research to Airbus who wanted to show off with a "big one". It saddens that Boeing hasn't shown the same skill and drive to conquer the single aisle market. The Chinese might just do that..

[Georgealbert]

1 hour ago, retarius said:

Totally agree....Thai Airways are idiots, but who knows what extra benefits the directors received for buying Boeing? No wonder Thai went bankrupt with all the corruption. Why didn't they buy decent quality planes from Airbus? 

Yes Boeing have some mayor current and ongoing issues, but do you really believe Airbus have never had issues?

 

Couple of examples.

 

https://simpleflying.com/airbus-investigating-unprompted-a350-descents/

 

https://aviationsourcenews.com/manufacturer/easa-issues-airworthiness-directive-over-airbus-a380-fuselage/
 

If you want full facts, you can research the EASA airworthiness data base.

https://ad.easa.europa.eu/

 

Or FAA directives 

 

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/airworthiness_directives

 

[Sandboxer]

If it's Boeing I ain't going.

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, Ben Zioner said:

It saddens that Boeing hasn't shown the same skill and drive to conquer the single aisle market. The Chinese might just do that..

 

They just might.

 

China's Comac C919 single-aisle passenger aircraft now taking orders at the Singapore air show that opened yesterday.

 

Boing is wisely not displaying their aircraft......

[ravip]

On 2/21/2024 at 9:07 AM, retarius said:

Totally agree....Thai Airways are idiots, but who knows what extra benefits the directors received for buying Boeing? No wonder Thai went bankrupt with all the corruption. Why didn't they buy decent quality planes from Airbus? 

Thai Airways are idiots - on that same note, what are Boeing?

...decent quality planes from Airbus?  LOL so Boeing is thrash?

Edited February 22 by ravip

[Georgealbert]

First to go, but will it make a difference to either their reputation or engineering standards.

 

https://fortune.com/2024/02/21/boeing-737-max-ed-clark-resigns-leadership-management-change/

[Georgealbert]

The bad news for Boeing continues.

 

The FAA investigated Boeing's safety culture — and what they found wasn't good.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/faa-investigated-boeings-safety-culture-and-the-results-arent-great-2024-2#:~:text=An FAA investigation into Boeing's,recommendations to improve safety culture.
 

Full FAA report.

 

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/Sec103_ExpertPanelReview_Report_Final.pdf

[Ralf001]

On 2/20/2024 at 10:35 PM, retarius said:

Read the article, Thai are purchasing 787 dreamliners not 757s. 

 

 

 

Read the article, the airplane that had the issue was a 757.

[Ben Zioner]

On 2/21/2024 at 11:51 AM, Georgealbert said:

Yes Boeing have some mayor current and ongoing issues, but do you really believe Airbus have never had issues?

 

Couple of examples.

 

https://simpleflying.com/airbus-investigating-unprompted-a350-descents/

 

https://aviationsourcenews.com/manufacturer/easa-issues-airworthiness-directive-over-airbus-a380-fuselage/
 

If you want full facts, you can research the EASA airworthiness data base.

https://ad.easa.europa.eu/

 

Or FAA directives 

 

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/airworthiness_directives

 

And QF32 would have been a total disaster without the presence of two elite Quantas crews on board. Rolls Royce was to blame, but it just shows..

 

For Boeing the trouble started with the B737Max. Due to the bulk of the engines the 737 MAX has been designed aerodynamically unstable, therefore extremely difficult to fly and they let the computer do the hard work. Unfortunately the had bugs in their software.

Without these two disasters, in this era of outstanding safety, we wouldn't be talking of the Boeing safety record.

[Georgealbert]

5 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

And QF32 would have been a total disaster without the presence of two elite Quantas crews on board. Rolls Royce was to blame, but it just shows..

 

For Boeing the trouble started with the B737Max. Due to the bulk of the engines the 737 MAX has been designed aerodynamically unstable, therefore extremely difficult to fly and they let the computer do the hard work. Unfortunately the had bugs in their software.

Without these two disasters, in this era of outstanding safety, we wouldn't be talking of the Boeing safety record.

Fully agree, but as you see here with some comments, once a company gets a bad reputation on safety issues, it is not easy to shake off. Perception, not just facts, plays a large role.

Some here think this incident was Boeing’s fault, even after this plane left the Boeing factory 30 years ago.

 

Also the average member of the public, for example, would not tell the difference between a Boeing Max9 and A320.

 

Edited February 27 by Georgealbert

[impulse]

On 2/27/2024 at 8:03 AM, Ben Zioner said:

For Boeing the trouble started with the B737Max. Due to the bulk of the engines the 737 MAX has been designed aerodynamically unstable, therefore extremely difficult to fly and they let the computer do the hard work. Unfortunately the had bugs in their software.

Without these two disasters, in this era of outstanding safety, we wouldn't be talking of the Boeing safety record.

 

The problem went way beyond the software bugs.  Boeing hid the MCAS system from regulators and customers so the regulators didn't require retraining to fly the Max, and customers didn't realize their pilots would require retraining, or that their cost saving selection of a single sensor (as opposed to redundancy) would cause a tragedy. 

 

Had either of those crashes happened in the USA or Europe, Boeing employees would probably be going to jail, and Boeing would probably be bankrupted by the lawsuits.  But they happened in the 3rd world where life can be bought.

 

Here's some insight from a former Boeing Max executive.  Key word: former

 

I purposely scheduled myself on a non-MAX airplane. I went to the gate. I walked in, sat down and looked straight ahead, and lo and behold, there was a 737-8/737-9 safety card. So I got up and I walked off. The flight attendant didn’t want me to get off the plane. And I’m not trying to cause a scene. I just want to get off this plane, and I just don’t think it’s safe.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/26/former-boeing-employee-speaks-out-00142948