Neeranam Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: It's not necessarily about you just because I responded to your post. I agree totally of course that civilian suffering especially children is horrible. Yet, you support what Israel are doing, this makes no sense. Do you also support the US providing the weapons to Israel? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 40 minutes ago, Neeranam said: 41 minutes ago, Jingthing said: It is NOT based on religion. It is based on being a Jew. If Israel granted right of return to Palestinian Arabs which has been a demand from Palestinians, Israel would no longer exist. So nice try, no cigar. This statement makes no sense! It only makes sense because "Jew" can mean ethnicity or religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 33 minutes ago, Jingthing said: The Arabs HAD a state based on the UN charter. You have the right to your opinion that Israel should never have been allowed to exist. But too late. It does and it isn't going anywhere. Israel may not be "going anyway," but I suspect it will be reduced in size under any two-state solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, WDSmart said: It only makes sense because "Jew" can mean ethnicity or religion. This is true as Jews are an ETHNORELIGIOUS group, like the Kurds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Just now, WDSmart said: Israel may not be "going anyway," but I suspect it will be reduced in size under any two-state solution. If there ever is a two state solution I would expect Israel would need to give up at least some it's illegal west bank settlements. That's going to be very hard to sell politically in Israel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 32 minutes ago, Jingthing said: The trouble with your narrative is that it's simple minded. It blames ONE side when actually the conflict is incredibly complex. I certainly agree with your second sentence above! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 10 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Yet, you support what Israel are doing, this makes no sense. Do you also support the US providing the weapons to Israel? There you go again! Do not put words in my mouth. I have never said that I support everything Israeli governemts do. Why do Israel demonizers feel the need to try to make very complex things so simple minded? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 4 minutes ago, Jingthing said: This is true as Jews are an ETHNORELIGIOUS group, like the Kurds. Interesting. I know a Rabbi that is a naturalized Thai. I know Sikhhs that have got Thai citizenship by birth and get equal rights. Do you know know any non-Jew who got Israeli citizenship by naturalization? Maybe @Bkk Brian does? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 6 minutes ago, Jingthing said: There you go again! Do not put words in my mouth. I have never said that I support everything Israeli governemts do. Why do Israel demonizers feel the need to try to make very complex things so simple minded? Do you also support the US providing the weapons to Israel? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 9 minutes ago, Jingthing said: This is true as Jews are an ETHNORELIGIOUS group, like the Kurds. Yes, but now someone can be a "Jew" without having Jewish ethnicity, and an ethnic "Jew" can have left Judaism, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 9 minutes ago, Jingthing said: If there ever is a two state solution I would expect Israel would need to give up at least some it's illegal west bank settlements. That's going to be very hard to sell politically in Israel. FINALLY! A post of yours with which I agree. And I know that doesn't mean you support doing this, but yes, any two-state solution will be very difficult because each side will have to give up, or at least adjust the boundaries on some territory, and neither side will want to do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Interesting. I know a Rabbi that is a naturalized Thai. I know Sikhhs that have got Thai citizenship by birth and get equal rights. Do you know know any non-Jew who got Israeli citizenship by naturalization? Maybe @Bkk Brian does? What's the point of asking me? Not once have you responded to one of my posts to you pulling you up on your false claims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Do you also support the US providing the weapons to Israel? My response was supposed to quote this post 18 minutes ago, Hummin said: Without Us support, you know we would had a much worse scenario and also a much bigger problem. The west Aliance brake when Jerusalem falls. Simple as that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Jingthing said: The Arab world wasn't supporting Palestinians because Palestinian identity didn't exist back then. They were opposing the creation of a Jewish state in a small part of the land that was the British Mandate, no matter how tiny. Keep in the mind what the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem did. He exiled to Berlin and got a promise from Adolph Hitler to exterminate all the Jews in the Middle East after he was done with Jews in Europe. Painting the Arabs as innocents in this sitation is a total crock! This is revisionist history. In 1919, Palestinian Muslims and Palestinian Christians constituted 90 percent of the population of Palestine, just before the third wave of Jewish immigration and the setting up of British Mandatory Palestine after World War I. For some, the term "Palestinian" is used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by Palestinian Arabs from the late 19th century and in the pre-World War I period, while others assert the Palestinian identity encompasses the heritage of all eras from biblical times up to the Ottoman period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians Edited March 23 by ozimoron 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: This is revisionist history. In 1919, Palestinian Muslims and Palestinian Christians constituted 90 percent of the population of Palestine, just before the third wave of Jewish immigration and the setting up of British Mandatory Palestine after World War I. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians Written after Palestinian Arab identity became a thing. Duh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 6 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Yes, but now someone can be a "Jew" without having Jewish ethnicity, and an ethnic "Jew" can have left Judaism, What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 4 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Written after Palestinian Arab identity became a thing. Duh. All history texts are written after the fact. What is your point here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Just now, ozimoron said: All history texts are written after the fact. What is your point here? Already said. When the UN made the partition there were two states. One Jewish. One Arab. Not Palestinian. Arab. Before Jews were as "Palestinian" as Arabs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Already said. When the UN made the partition there were two states. One Jewish. One Arab. Not Palestinian. Arab. Before Jews were as "Palestinian" as Arabs. That's nonsense. There was no state of Israel before 1948. Palestine was among former Ottoman territories placed under UK administration by the League of Nations in 1922. Edited March 23 by ozimoron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 7 minutes ago, Jingthing said: 15 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Yes, but now someone can be a "Jew" without having Jewish ethnicity, and an ethnic "Jew" can have left Judaism, What's the problem? I have no problem with this, except when using the term "Jew," someone might be referring to ethnicity or religion. You don't know just by reading the term. This is unlike "Arab" and "Muslim." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 4 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Already said. When the UN made the partition there were two states. One Jewish. One Arab. Not Palestinian. Arab. Before Jews were as "Palestinian" as Arabs. And Jews are more or less origin arabs to! They are all related as brothers and cousins. It is just a matter of religion and faith as speaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 7 minutes ago, Jingthing said: 9 minutes ago, Neeranam said: ? ! This was because Neeranam asked you a question and you just responded with a question of your own. You do that often, and it seems to imply (as I've posted before) that if someone else (or some other country) has done something wrong in the past, it's okay for you (or Israel) to do something wrong now. I'd prefer it if you would, as I do, just answer the question with a "yes" or "no," and then give an explanation if you think it's warranted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 13 minutes ago, Neeranam said: My question was to Jingthing. I just pointed out the strategic place of Israel for our alliance. Interesting read, and many more articles to be found for those who are interested Why the US has the most pro-Israel foreign policy in the world https://www.vox.com/2014/7/24/5929705/us-israel-friends 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, Hummin said: And Jews are more or less origin arabs to! They are all related as brothers and cousins. It is just a matter of religion and faith as speaking Herein lies the problem in that area now, division of religions rather living together. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 5 minutes ago, Hummin said: It is a delicate and dangerous strategic mistake to feed Saudi Arabia with weapons. They will turn agains us, Turkey is another loose Canon in the area. The Saudis are now allies . The biggest threat in the region are Iran . The new alliance is now USA, Israel, Saudi Iran is the common enemy and Iran is allied with Hezbollah and Hamas . USA/Israel/Saudi Arabia v Iran /Hamas / Hezbollah is the new current battle ground . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 8 minutes ago, Hummin said: And Jews are more or less origin arabs to! They are all related as brothers and cousins. It is just a matter of religion and faith as speaking Yes! Yes! Yes! As I've noted before in the past, "Semite," which is the base term in "antisemitism," refers to BOTH Jews and Arabs (and some others), but the term "antisemite" is now used only to mean "anti-Jew(ethnic)." Semite noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Off topic posts about weapons to Iran and other troll posts have been removed also replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Yes! Yes! Yes! As I've noted before in the past, "Semite," which is the base term in "antisemitism," refers to BOTH Jews and Arabs (and some others), but the term "antisemite" is now used only to mean "anti-Jew(ethnic)." Semite noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com Israel and its supporters often leverage accusations of anti-Semitism to deflect criticism, silence dissent, and rally international support for their policies and illegal actions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The Saudis are now allies . The biggest threat in the region are Iran . The new alliance is now USA, Israel, Saudi Iran is the common enemy and Iran is allied with Hezbollah and Hamas . USA/Israel/Saudi Arabia v Iran /Hamas / Hezbollah is the new current battle ground . We will see how deep that alliance is, if russia progress with its war against neighboring countries. Right now it is a rule and split strategy going on, and if Putin succeed, we know countries such as Saudis, and potentially Turkey will turn. Right now, Israel is the glue that keeps this all together. Therefor Ukraine or Israel can not loose their wars or position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, Hummin said: Right now it is a rule and split strategy going on, and if Putin succeed, we know countries such as Saudis, and potentially Turkey will turn. We/You do not know that though That is just what you think /Hope . Turkey was one an allie , but now not . Saudi is still an allie and Saudi is in course to making peace with Israel Just waiting for the current war to end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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