Durability of Chinese EVs

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I think there is a higher chance of expensive legacy ICEVs going bankrupt in the next 5 yrs or so.

 

Which long road trip did you undertake that was a pain due to the lack of charging infrastructure? Or are you just repeating what you heard from equally uninformed ICE owners?

Unlikely that ICE manufacturers will go bankrupt in the next 5 years simply they have more fingers in their pies

EV slowdown they reduced the number of EV's coming off the production line and simply increase other production lines such as ICE including hybrid

One trick EV manufacturers their choices are limited cut price or try and export but export doors are closing soon USA and EU key examples they don't have the option of reducing output as they have no alternative products to sell

Toyota hikes annual profit forecast after Q3 beats expectations

Hikes full-year profit forecast by about 9% to 4.9 trillion yen

Toyota's Q3 operating profit surges almost 76%

Shares close up 4.8% after the announcement

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota-posts-76-jump-q3-operating-profit-2024-02-06/

[HighPriority]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

According to the driver of the Jaguar i-pace he tried to apply the brakes but they failed to work

Similar case with the MG ZS EV in Scotland where the the police had to block him in and then allow the MG to hit the back of the police vehicle

Ahh, brake failure 👍🏼

you didn’t say it was in Thailand. 

[Surasak]

Electric vehicles have been around for many years, so the technology is not new. Remember the electric milk cart, and they are over thirty years old. Battery tech has improved so much even over the past 2 to 3 years and is still improving. So the EV can only improve. Most peoples worry is centred around the Battery life, understandably. For me personally, I would wait maybe 2 more years and then give it very serious thought. But that is me, I cannot speak for others.

[vinny41]

3 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

 

Plenty of posters with no experience of Chinese EVs, yet they are more than happy to advise you based on their extensive ignorance.

 

"I know nothing about Chinese EVs but I can tell you the range of an Isuzu MUX if that's helpful" (paraphrased) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plenty of posters with no experience of non Chinese EVs, yet they are more than happy to advise you based on their extensive ignorance.

Haven't seen a single forum member of this forum admitting to owning a Nissan Leaf EV but I have seen plenty of posts from the EV fanboys on this forum slagging off the Nissan Leaf EV yet no one owns one or not admitting owning one

@Maybole Durability of Chinese EVs impossible to answer since Chinese Ev's only available in Thailand in small numbers since 2019 if you want to look at Durability of EVs regardless of country of manufacturer suggest you look at Nissan Leaf and Tesla as both have been in use for the past 14 years not in Thailand but other countries

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

Ahh, brake failure 👍🏼

you didn’t say it was in Thailand. 

Read the article driver stated battery malfunction

Last time I checked the M62 near Manchester isn't in Thailand 

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[HighPriority]

26 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Well they both have the same battery technology and an electric motor, plus similar charging cycles.  The scooter is just smaller, and this may mean the ill effects appear sooner that with a car.  Also has the scooter has a much shorter range from new, so the issue becomes critical sooner.

 

I was considering a battery electric car before my experience with the scooter, but I'll now be sticking to an ICE for now, or perhaps changing to a plug in hybrid.

 

No Mr uninformed, they do not share the same battery technology.

Stop repeating stupidity for the sake of it.

[HighPriority]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 

@Maybole Durability of Chinese EVs impossible to answer since Chinese Ev's only available in Thailand in small numbers since 2019 if you want to look at Durability of EVs regardless of country of manufacturer suggest you look at Nissan Leaf and Tesla as both have been in use for the past 14 years not in Thailand but other countries

I’ve never seen you write something reasonable and objective before, are you ok or have you been hacked ?

[HighPriority]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Read the article driver stated battery malfunction

Last time I checked the M62 near Manchester isn't in Thailand 

So you’re telling us that that ev have battery actuated braking systems ?

[vinny41]

Just now, HighPriority said:

So you’re telling us that that ev have battery actuated braking systems ?

I think your being deliberately obtuse if you read the article they driver stated Battery malfunction was displayed on the screen after that time the brakes failed to work when pressed

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

I’ve never seen you write something reasonable and objective before, are you ok or have you been hacked ?

My post count shows 4,000 it must have taken you weeks to read every single post 

[HighPriority]

Just now, vinny41 said:

I think your being deliberately obtuse if you read the article they driver stated Battery malfunction was displayed on the screen after that time the brakes failed to work when pressed

I’m just asking questions… 

I don’t know how ev brakes work, from what you’re saying they are not mechanical like an ice vehicle they must be some sort of battery actuated system… that IS what you’re saying isn’t it ?

Youre not being obtuse now are you ?

[HighPriority]

Just now, vinny41 said:

My post count shows 4,000 it must have taken you weeks to read every single post 

I’ve been around for a while and while I certainly don’t “follow” your particular line of dribble, it does at least seem to be consistent and that’s always a nice thing 👍🏼

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, HighPriority said:

I’ve been around for a while and while I certainly don’t “follow” your particular line of dribble, it does at least seem to be consistent and that’s always a nice thing 👍🏼

But you seem to be a fan of my posts so enjoy there will be more in the future

[HighPriority]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

But you seem to be a fan of my posts so enjoy there will be more in the future

To be honest, I find your postings deliberately uninformed and provocative and loaded with diversionary misinformation so I normally just scroll on by but when I see you blatantly posting <deleted> I’ll continue to call you out.

Probably best if you can find a niche I know nothing about.

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

To be honest, I find your postings deliberately uninformed and provocative and loaded with diversionary misinformation so I normally just scroll on by but when I see you blatantly posting <deleted> I’ll continue to call you out.

Probably best if you can find a niche I know nothing about.

I am not going to stop posting just for you and as to your opinion of my posts

as Tony Blair once said  am i bothered 

[Surasak]

3 hours ago, Irish star said:

I drove in an MG I thought I was Fred Flintstone, road noise my god 

Fred Flintstone? Yeah, shame about that but the Romans were much later with leather sandals. Much kinder to the feet!

[HighPriority]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

I am not going to stop posting just for you and as to your opinion of my posts

as Tony Blair once said  am i bothered 

I certainly wouldn’t expect you to stop posting on my behalf.

It would be nice if you stopped posting crappola, but that’s up to you…

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, HighPriority said:

I certainly wouldn’t expect you to stop posting on my behalf.

It would be nice if you stopped posting crappola, but that’s up to you…

Its a forum people have different opinions not everyone agrees with your opinions of my posts so i will still post regardless of what you think about my posts

[SAFETY FIRST]

21 hours ago, Maybole said:

 Chinese made Electric car

Stick with the bigger names, Tesla's are nice but expensive, BYD is doing well in Australia, some MG's are good. 

 

Keep away from the crappy ones. 

 

Edited March 8 by SAFETY FIRST

[HighPriority]

4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Its a forum people have different opinions not everyone agrees with your opinions of my posts so i will still post regardless of what you think about my posts

I don’t have a problem with anyone’s opinions.

I do struggle with obtuse commentary and general water muddying.

Some would say you excel at both but you did let yourself down with your earlier post…

[Rampant Rabbit]

23 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

To be honest, I find your postings deliberately uninformed and provocative and loaded with diversionary misinformation so I normally just scroll on by but when I see you blatantly posting <deleted> I’ll continue to call you out.

Probably best if you can find a niche I know nothing about.

Like your own self importance.

[HighPriority]

4 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Like your own self importance.

I’m glad you’re 1000km away

[BenStark]

3 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

3 hours ago, FlorC said:

My Isuzu dmax from 2007 can get 1000- 1200 on 1 tank , depending on how I drive.

That's great news, fantastic! The bad news is that you are driving around in a noisy, dirty, smelly, uncomfortable, old fashioned, 17 year old pickup truck. Thanks for sharing.

 

The good news is that after 17 years he hasn't had to spend close to 1 million on a few battery changes

[JBChiangRai]

4 hours ago, retarius said:

Watch the video.....a guy who has had several.

This guy is now looking like an idiot.  In the 6 months since his video, the Range Rover has become uninsurable and are depreciating massively in the first year. Now one of the best bargains in the 2nd hand market, but your insurance is about 50% of the value of the car each year.

 

4 hours ago, Irish star said:

I drove in an MG I thought I was Fred Flintstone, road noise my god 

 

You’ve obviously never driven an MG EV.
 

4 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Even though EVs are new to the Thai market and have been hyped up, they are dropping prices almost every month. Something is fishy 🐟 and for now EVs are best avoided. 

ICE car manufacturers have just recently joined the discount party, by slashing almost 30% of their prices.

Your best strategy is to watch the market in 2024 and get a good deal for your favorite new ICE.

https://autolifethailand.tv/discount-official-suzuki-ciaz-thailand/

 

Utter Tosh. Many automakers both ICE and EV are reacting to sluggish sales by discounting. It’s nothing to do with Chinese EV’s.

 

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

EVs discounting, fishy. ICEs discounting, not fishy.

Good thing oil workers don’t teach economics at universities.

 

Only a few million dinosaurs were harmed in making oil for old fashioned legacy ICE vehicles.
 

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Well they both have the same battery technology and an electric motor, plus similar charging cycles.  The scooter is just smaller, and this may mean the ill effects appear sooner that with a car.  Also has the scooter has a much shorter range from new, so the issue becomes critical sooner.

 

I was considering a battery electric car before my experience with the scooter, but I'll now be sticking to an ICE for now, or perhaps changing to a plug in hybrid.

 

 

So you don’t own a mobile phone because not only is the battery technology the same, they use the battery in a way they know will kill it in 2 years, whereas the EV manufacturer guarantees their battery 8 years.

[HighPriority]

15 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

The good news is that after 17 years he hasn't had to spend close to 1 million on a few battery changes

I guess we’ll just have wait and see how that pans out won’t we.

[BenStark]

19 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

I guess we’ll just have wait and see how that pans out won’t we.

No we don't, it is common knowledge already that the batteries don't last 17 years, much much less actually, and cost about half the value of the car to replace.

 

Even the manufacturers admit that, only you don't accept it

[HighPriority]

53 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Like your own self importance.

I don’t have much self importance personally, I’m more interested in truth, you should try it sometime…

[HighPriority]

2 minutes ago, BenStark said:

No we don't, it is common knowledge already that the batteries don't last 17 years, much much less actually, and cost about half the value of the car to replace.

 

Even the manufacturers admit that, only you don't accept it

I don’t know where you get your numbers from, they seem like fools gold to me..

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, HighPriority said:

I don’t know how ev brakes work

Now you know...at least a little bit. Straight from the EOW university, where I teach. You can sit next to LA and CR next time.

Some EVs use an electric vacuum pump, but others use electric motor-driven actuators which assist the driver's brake pedal input.

https://www.straitstimes.com/life/motoring/torque-shop-how-do-brakes-of-evs-work#:~:text=Some EVs use an electric,brake pedal and master pump.

 

Edited March 8 by ExpatOilWorker

[HighPriority]

5 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Now you know...at least a little bit. Straight from the EOW university, where I teach. You can sit next to LA and CR next time.

Some EVs use an electric vacuum pump, but others use electric motor-driven actuators which assist the driver's brake pedal input.

https://www.straitstimes.com/life/motoring/torque-shop-how-do-brakes-of-evs-work#:~:text=Some EVs use an electric,brake pedal and master pump.

 

So it’s like the vacuume assisted brake systems that we grew up with.

If the ice engine dies you need to push the pedal harder, I’ll try to remember that.