billd766 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, vinny41 said: However, for the provinces with the lowest number of EV vehicle registrations last year, Mae Hong Son Province, 1 vehicle and not much better in other provinces Number 4 is Songkhla Province with 1,614 cars, Khon Kaen 1,409 cars, Rayong 1,283 cars, Ubon Ratchathani 1,190 cars, Surat Thani 1,177 cars, Phuket 1,039 cars and Udon Thani 965 cars. https://www.newsdirectory3.com/analysis-of-electric-vehicle-registrations-in-thailand-and-expansion-of-charging-stations/ EV charging stations and EV's are a rare sight in many provinces once you remove the EV that are travelling from the big cities I was up in Kamphaeng Phet city yesterday and I saw about 8 EV in total. There is even a BYD dealer in the city as well. For all the wonderful claims about EV its will be interesting in a few years time to see how the owners react, when they have to replace the battery or try to sell the car. That will be when the value of an EV will show its true value. For me. at 79, the only EV I am interested in purchasing is an electric trike or 4 wheeler, with perhaps a 100 km range to get me to the shops in the local village 6 km away, or the Amphur village 15 km away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 28 minutes ago, billd766 said: I was up in Kamphaeng Phet city yesterday and I saw about 8 EV in total. There is even a BYD dealer in the city as well. For all the wonderful claims about EV its will be interesting in a few years time to see how the owners react, when they have to replace the battery or try to sell the car. That will be when the value of an EV will show its true value. For me. at 79, the only EV I am interested in purchasing is an electric trike or 4 wheeler, with perhaps a 100 km range to get me to the shops in the local village 6 km away, or the Amphur village 15 km away. In Kamphaeng Phet city you have something that is rarer than hen's teeth excluding Bangkok region there are only 5 Tesla superchargers in the whole of Thailand one of those 5 is in Kamphaeng Phet city https://www.tesla.com/en_US/findus/list/superchargers/Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 hours ago, dhupverg said: When it comes time to replace the batteries, what's the cost? When it's time to sell, how much are people willing to pay for a used EV? I've seen a number of news reports about buying batteries costing quite a bit of money, as well as resale markets for EV's basically in the crapper. Parts, how much are spare parts and panels? I've seen some outrageous prices on fixing vehicles after an accident. Interesting that one of the big car rental companies in the US went all in on EV's for rental cars, and the public aren't wanting them. Now said company has a lot of unused inventory that they are taking a huge loss on. For Used Car market In Thailand its a series of unknown's at the moment and its cash only As to second hand EV's in Thailand that appears to be a developing market at the moment as stated in this article here Pinyo further explained that if these seized EVs were to be sold in the second-hand car market, it’s unlikely that financial institutions would provide loan schemes for potential buyers of used EVs. The lack of confidence in granting loans in the second-hand EV market stems from the market’s expected small size and the continued fluctuation in new EV prices, making it difficult for banks to calculate the value of used EVs, said Pinyo https://thethaiger.com/news/business/electric-vehicle-market-faces-risk-from-non-performing-loans Majority of vehicles purchased in Thailand are purchased using loan repayment finance This article is indicating that buyers have a greater chance of being approved for a loan on a 2nd hand ice vehicle than of a 2nd hand EV vehicle at the moment there is just 5 electric cars for sale from private owners on Used Cars Electric Private for Sale | One2car prices from B6,600,000 downwards https://www.one2car.com/en/cars-for-sale?profile_type=Private&fuel_type=Electric&page_size=26&sort=price.desc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, billd766 said: For all the wonderful claims about EV its will be interesting in a few years time to see how the owners react, when they have to replace the battery or try to sell the car. ... For me. at 79, the only EV I am interested in purchasing is an electric trike or 4 wheeler, with perhaps a 100 km range to get me to the shops in the local village 6 km away, or the Amphur village 15 km away. Make that 8 years, as most carry an 8 year warranty. The wife will let you know in about 20 yrs, though she'll probably just move the battery pack over to the solar system, unless the rest of the lasts as long as the pack & motors. Not going 100kms ... but 50 kms very realistic ... DECO And in style ... Edited March 29 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, billd766 said: Thailand may have an oversupply of public charging stations in the big cities and on the main highways, but the charging stations OFF highway and big cities in the majority of rural Thailand that I know of, are rare. The nearest public charging station to me is 60 km away. Then you don't know much about the charging network 60 kms from your home is irrelevant, as you'd be charging at your home. Though you may need on the last return leg, so that's actually a good thing. Yea ... not too many (none) west of the main highway, but again, you really shouldn't need one, knocking around KP. This is 100 radius from Kamphaeng Phet ... and you got a bunch of charging stations on the main road. I think you'd be fine. Unless going due South, if you even can on the back roads, or would. Edited March 29 by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 5 hours ago, billd766 said: The nearest public charging station to me is 60 km away. If you can charge at home, you would never need one so near your house, nearest you would ever need is 150km and with a BYD Seal maybe 300km away. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Tom Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 EVs. the biggest scam on humanity since we invented religion. They are not practical, have zero resale value in the future, but worst of all, their 'whole of life' impact on the environment is just as bad as petrol or diesel vehicles, if not worse. Watch humanity try to dispose of billions of lifed Lithium batteries in future years, plus all the lead in the vehicle. Try to re battery a Chinese EV, well good luck with that idea. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 27 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said: EVs. the biggest scam on humanity since we invented religion. They are not practical, have zero resale value in the future, but worst of all, their 'whole of life' impact on the environment is just as bad as petrol or diesel vehicles, if not worse. Watch humanity try to dispose of billions of lifed Lithium batteries in future years, plus all the lead in the vehicle. Try to re battery a Chinese EV, well good luck with that idea. Are you really a Doctor? Of what? Nonsense? Explain why EV‘s are a scam? Explain why they are not practical? Why would you dispose of lithium batteries when the lithium content is of such a high density it makes far more sense to recycle them? Explain why you think there is so much lead in the vehicle? Why would I want to read battery a Chinese vehicle when the existing battery is likely to last 20 years? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 ^ Sounds a bit evangelical🧐 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Tom Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 38 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Are you really a Doctor? Of what? Nonsense? Explain why EV‘s are a scam? Explain why they are not practical? Why would you dispose of lithium batteries when the lithium content is of such a high density it makes far more sense to recycle them? Explain why you think there is so much lead in the vehicle? Why would I want to read battery a Chinese vehicle when the existing battery is likely to last 20 years? https://investingnews.com/lead-in-ev-industry/ Check out the negative environmental impact of recycling old EV batteries. Chinese EV batteries lasting 20 years, don't make me laugh. The range is 8 to 15 years, depending on vehicle type.. Nothing Chinese lasts very long. Edited March 29 by Doctor Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, KhunLA said: Then you don't know much about the charging network 60 kms from your home is irrelevant, as you'd be charging at your home. Though you may need on the last return leg, so that's actually a good thing. Yea ... not too many (none) west of the main highway, but again, you really shouldn't need one, knocking around KP. This is 100 radius from Kamphaeng Phet ... and you got a bunch of charging stations on the main road. I think you'd be fine. Unless going due South, if you even can on the back roads, or would. 1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said: If you can charge at home, you would never need one so near your house, nearest you would ever need is 150km and with a BYD Seal maybe 300km away. @KhunLA makes a valid point here about charging stations near your home Though you may need on the last return leg, so that's actually a good thing. although the sensible option would to charge before that one nearest to your house just in case its out of order for whatever reason Edited March 29 by vinny41 add 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: If you can charge at home, you would never need one so near your house, nearest you would ever need is 150km and with a BYD Seal maybe 300km away. Absolutely correct. And if I can't charge it at home, then I have a very expensive flat useless battery. Come back and tell us all how much a new battery will cost when it needs replacing. Tell us all what the second hand value of your EV is worth at 5 or 6 years old. You keep plugging the virtues of EV but never mention what happens if it breaks down. How many garages can actually repair them, and where are those garages in relation to your home? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephbloggs Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 6 minutes ago, billd766 said: Absolutely correct. And if I can't charge it at home, then I have a very expensive flat useless battery. Come back and tell us all how much a new battery will cost when it needs replacing. Tell us all what the second hand value of your EV is worth at 5 or 6 years old. You keep plugging the virtues of EV but never mention what happens if it breaks down. How many garages can actually repair them, and where are those garages in relation to your home? Ah, the old "what ifs". Gotta love them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post josephbloggs Posted March 29 Popular Post Share Posted March 29 8 minutes ago, billd766 said: And if I can't charge it at home, then I have a very expensive flat useless battery. You obviously have a problem reading. EV owners (and others) have said countless times, and I will put it in capitals so it might sink in, IF YOU HAVE NO WAY OF CHARGING AT HOME THEN AN EV IS PROBABLY NOT FOR YOU. Get it? No one is disputing that, reading the same pointless arguments over and over is really boring. Why keep bringing up these ridiculous "what if" scenarios?? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 6 hours ago, Doctor Tom said: https://investingnews.com/lead-in-ev-industry/ Check out the negative environmental impact of recycling old EV batteries. Chinese EV batteries lasting 20 years, don't make me laugh. The range is 8 to 15 years, depending on vehicle type.. Nothing Chinese lasts very long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 10 hours ago, Doctor Tom said: https://investingnews.com/lead-in-ev-industry/ Check out the negative environmental impact of recycling old EV batteries. Chinese EV batteries lasting 20 years, don't make me laugh. The range is 8 to 15 years, depending on vehicle type.. Nothing Chinese lasts very long. The world's biggest EV manufacturer uses LiFePO4 batteries in place of Lead Acid for its 12v systems. Generally, a manufacturer that doesn't uses smaller batteries. Almost all Lead Acid batteries are recycled, that's why they buy them back from you when you fit a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/27/2024 at 12:39 AM, Keep Right said: Yawn...........................EVs are so boring. Noooooooooo I think they look really good and futuristic, dont like the concept much though until range and charging are much faster....... and before the evangelists jump in i mean 1000km and 10 minutes charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Rabbit Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/27/2024 at 7:13 AM, hotchilli said: Japan is going to be very unhappy... Cheap Chinese EV sales up, their sales down all well and good when new but will they be as reliable/ durable as Japanese brands? time will tell. Personally Im giving it at least another 5 -10 years. Put it this way, Id trust the Japanese but I dont trust the Chinese at the moment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted March 30 Popular Post Share Posted March 30 8 hours ago, billd766 said: Absolutely correct. And if I can't charge it at home, then I have a very expensive flat useless battery. Come back and tell us all how much a new battery will cost when it needs replacing. Tell us all what the second hand value of your EV is worth at 5 or 6 years old. You keep plugging the virtues of EV but never mention what happens if it breaks down. How many garages can actually repair them, and where are those garages in relation to your home? Why wouldn't you be able to charge it from home? It's never happened to me and I can't think of a scenario other than a power cut where I couldn't, and they never last very long. That is a nonsense argument. What happens if your fuel filler pipe falls off the tank? (it happened to me, but it's another nonsense argument). I doubt I will be alive to tell you how much a new battery costs, but I am guessing a 1/10th of what it currently costs. At 2 years old I got 90% of new price when I sold one and 78% of new price when I sold another, which is better than ICE equivalents. What happens to any car under warranty when it breaks down? they fix it for free, my warranty is 8 years, after that I pay for them to fix it. Two garages near my home for BYD and two garages near my home for MG. nearest within 3km. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhupverg Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 16 hours ago, josephbloggs said: Only the 197th time these questions have come up in these threads, and always from anti-Evers, it is never a genuine question. (Not saying that's true of you but it is true of everyone else who has asked). Hertz, and it was an incredibly stupid business decision to buy 100,000 Teslas. They are a rental company, people generally rent in towns they are visiting and don't live in. If you're staying in hotels or travelling it is likely you don't have your own charger so an EV is an inconvenience. When you're renting you just want to take off and go where you want to go. As said a gazillion times, EV's work if you have home charging. If you don't have home charging then they are not really fit for you. EV rentals just don't make sense for most people. Ok Boggs, how much exactly is a gazillion? Is it more than a trillion? Anti-Evers, hilarious. Interesting video about a guy wanting to sell his Taycan and the dealer didn't want it. I guess this guy is a paid shill for anti-Evers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 10 minutes ago, dhupverg said: Ok Boggs, how much exactly is a gazillion? Is it more than a trillion? Anti-Evers, hilarious. Interesting video about a guy wanting to sell his Taycan and the dealer didn't want it. I guess this guy is a paid shill for anti-Evers. I tried to sell 2 Toyotas and 1 Mazda (ICEVs) to the dealers, and they didn't want them ... what does that say ? And no price was even mentioned, they just didn't want them, and tent people barely offered the insured price, on the Toyotas. Gave the Mazda to the daughter, since not worth selling. And yet, my 1.5 yr old EV, is insured for more that a new one (when on sale), plus 40k baht. And only 1/2% off our purchase price, when not on sale. Not that we would ever sell it, as the battery pack would be worth more added to our solar system, than if sold as a car, 20 yrs down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said: all well and good when new but will they be as reliable/ durable as Japanese brands? time will tell. Personally Im giving it at least another 5 -10 years. Put it this way, Id trust the Japanese but I dont trust the Chinese at the moment I wonder what the re-sale prices will be for a second hand EV after 5 years... should be almost nothing, but knowing Thailand they will want 80% of new price 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Just now, hotchilli said: I wonder what the re-sale prices will be for a second hand EV after 5 years... should be almost nothing, but knowing Thailand they will want 80% of new price Is there a reason why you think it should be almost nothing? That's not what happening with second hand EV's now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickudon Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 The youtube video of the chap with the Porsche taught me - 1. Porsche electric cars are crap. 2. A new battery for one costs more than most electric cars (i.e. overpriced). Other electric cars are not necessarily so bad. Also, electric cars sales in the UK dipped over the last 2 years as electricity prices shot up (Ukraine war); to charge a car at a charging station was costing more than filling up an ICE. Electricity prices are now falling so probably cheaper to run an electric car again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said: Is there a reason why you think it should be almost nothing? That's not what happening with second hand EV's now. EV's are a disposable item, when it's faulty nothing mush to repair, the cost is prohibitive if it could be done. When these pack-up you just dump it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, hotchilli said: EV's are a disposable item, when it's faulty nothing mush to repair, the cost is prohibitive if it could be done. When these pack-up you just dump it. Sorry, I don't agree, they are not disposable items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said: Sorry, I don't agree, they are not disposable items. Welcome to your view, as I am mine. But you wont see many 10+ year old EV's on the road.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 3 minutes ago, rickudon said: The youtube video of the chap with the Porsche taught me - 1. Porsche electric cars are crap. 2. A new battery for one costs more than most electric cars (i.e. overpriced). Other electric cars are not necessarily so bad. Also, electric cars sales in the UK dipped over the last 2 years as electricity prices shot up (Ukraine war); to charge a car at a charging station was costing more than filling up an ICE. Electricity prices are now falling so probably cheaper to run an electric car again. Porsche electric cars are not crap, they are superbly engineered. What they are is expensive and some would say overpriced. I expect new battery prices to drop substantially, this year 50% alone. Within 10 years probably 90%. Remeber a battery will probably last 18-20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, hotchilli said: Welcome to your view, as I am mine. But you wont see many 10+ year old EV's on the road.... I have seen lots of 10 year old BYD's, MG EV's etc Oh, hang on, You are right because they haven't been in existence 10 years yet. My Bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) 40 minutes ago, hotchilli said: EV's are a disposable item, when it's faulty nothing mush to repair, the cost is prohibitive if it could be done. When these pack-up you just dump it. Or you could just replace the faulty module. If the car can't keep up with the battery pack & motors, they can be sold/repurposed. Pack for solar systems back up storage. Already being done. How many times does it have to be repeated. What don't you people understand ? I'm starting to think a good portion of the AN members are senile and suffering a bit of, or a lot of Alzheimer's / dementia. Edited March 30 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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