Why Did Hamas Attack Israel on Oct 7th 2023 a Historical Perspective

[Hummin]

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It is quite simply and you don't need to have much intelligence to understand why there is a war in Gaza . 

•  Israel exists as a Country .
• Palestinians refuse to accept the existence of an Israeli state .
• Palestineians attack Israel every chance they get  

Simplistic 

[Nick Carter icp]

20 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Simplistic 

 

   There isn't much more to it than that 

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There isn't much more to it than that 

I have heard that the last 6 months or more

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I have heard that the last 6 months or more

 

   The whole Israel- Palestine conflict revolves  around Palestinians  not accepting an Israeli state .

   Had they accepted an Israeli state , there would be no conflict or wars

[Paul Catton]

To gain furthr perspctive upon the situation being faced today, President Jimmy Carter. 

Any wonder why "Today" the rest of the "World"  is running around like a a dog with two knobs? 

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Paul Catton said:

To gain furthr perspctive upon the situation being faced today, President Jimmy Carter. 

Any wonder why "Today" the rest of the "World"  is running around like a a dog with two knobs? 

Thanks for that. He had it right but of course he failed to make it happen.

IMO peace has no chance now. Too much hatred has been created by the israelis with their killing of thousands of women, children to ever let it ride.

Every Palestinian boy will grow up wanting to kill israelis, and the wheel will keep turning. Perhaps 600 years from now they will actually have had enough to agree to a ceasefire ( that's how long it took for the English and the Irish to have a deal ).

[Hummin]

On 6/20/2024 at 1:03 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The whole Israel- Palestine conflict revolves  around Palestinians  not accepting an Israeli state .

   Had they accepted an Israeli state , there would be no conflict or wars

The whole conflict evolve aroud land theft, lack of basic human rights, and a country who believes in their right to a promised land. Still there is voices who continue to make excuses, and pretend it is not true. 

 

First of all, there should not had been any Israel or Palestine, it Should had been one country and one people. After all, they are all brothers and sisters. 

 

Strange how the Ottaman Empire managed to control and keep peace in that erae for more than 400 years or so, wait, have to check

 

Palestine, which yearns for peace and stability for over a century, saw its longest period of peace during the 401 years of Ottoman rule, from the conquest of Jerusalem in 1516 to the dawn of the British Mandate in 1917

 

https://www.trtworld.com/turkiye/how-peace-flourished-in-ottoman-palestine-a-story-of-coexistence-15612345

 

Oh, must be fake news, let me see

 

Although the Ottomans did not treat Jews differently from other minorities in the country, the policies seemed to align well with Jewish traditions, which allowed communities to flourish. The Jewish people were allowed to establish their own autonomous communities, which included their own schools and courts. Those rights were extremely controversial in other regions in Muslim North Africa and absolutely unrealistic in Europe. The communities would prove to be centers of education and trade because of the large array of connections to other Jewish communities across the Mediterranean

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

 

We know the history tends to be coloured by side and the those who won, still there is alot there can be said about how we ended up with the terror attack on 7. october 2023. 

 

There will not be any solution here, and I say again, two evil doesnt make one right

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

The whole conflict evolve aroud land theft, lack of basic human rights, and a country who believes in their right to a promised land. Still there is voices who continue to make excuses, and pretend it is not true. 

 

 

   Yes, the Palestinians regard the land of Israel as THEIR land and their land only , Palestinians tried to get the land back from Israel on Oct 7th, that is what the war is all about .  Palestine taking the place of Israel and Israel being non existent 

[niccodemi]

On 11/29/2024 at 12:17 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Yes, the Palestinians regard the land of Israel as THEIR land and their land only , Palestinians tried to get the land back from Israel on Oct 7th, that is what the war is all about .  Palestine taking the place of Israel and Israel being non existent 

Ben-Gurion, Israel's first PM could have not make it any clearer:

 

"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, niccodemi said:

Ben-Gurion, Israel's first PM could have not make it any clearer:

 

"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"

 

According to Nahum Goldmann, Ben-Gurion allegedly said this to him. Goldmann was an adversary of Ben-Gurion, and he came out with this alleged quote, verbatim, in his book published two decades later (The Jewish Paradox, 1978), five years after Ben-Gurion died. There was no recording of the quote, and Ben-Gurion was no longer around to dispute it.

 

[Jim Blue]

On 4/12/2024 at 5:43 AM, Skipalongcassidy said:

Only the idiots of the world support terrorists and haters... 

Well that would include the CIA who supported the Afghani  side they liked  ie  Charlie's Angels , the anti Castro invaders in 60 's .The list goes on.

[Patong2021]

On 11/28/2024 at 11:12 PM, Hummin said:

The whole conflict evolve aroud land theft, lack of basic human rights, and a country who believes in their right to a promised land. Still there is voices who continue to make excuses, and pretend it is not true. 

 

First of all, there should not had been any Israel or Palestine, it Should had been one country and one people. After all, they are all brothers and sisters. 

 

Strange how the Ottaman Empire managed to control and keep peace in that erae for more than 400 years or so, wait, have to check

 

Palestine, which yearns for peace and stability for over a century, saw its longest period of peace during the 401 years of Ottoman rule, from the conquest of Jerusalem in 1516 to the dawn of the British Mandate in 1917

 

https://www.trtworld.com/turkiye/how-peace-flourished-in-ottoman-palestine-a-story-of-coexistence-15612345

 

Oh, must be fake news, let me see

 

Although the Ottomans did not treat Jews differently from other minorities in the country, the policies seemed to align well with Jewish traditions, which allowed communities to flourish. The Jewish people were allowed to establish their own autonomous communities, which included their own schools and courts. Those rights were extremely controversial in other regions in Muslim North Africa and absolutely unrealistic in Europe. The communities would prove to be centers of education and trade because of the large array of connections to other Jewish communities across the Mediterranean

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

 

We know the history tends to be coloured by side and the those who won, still there is alot there can be said about how we ended up with the terror attack on 7. october 2023. 

 

There will not be any solution here, and I say again, two evil doesnt make one right

 

 

All that is very nice, but the fact is that the Ottoman Empire left  the Middle East in a mess.  Israel had been recognized as an entity, and yet was managed as a department of  Damascus. Everything was a part of the  Ottoman Empire. The Saudis were treated like filth and relegated to the desert. There was no Syria, no Iraq, no Lebanon and no Jordan. The collapse of the Empire  changed all that.  To deny the right of modern Israel to exist requires that the agreements to define the borders of Syria and Iraq, to carve Lebanon out of Syria, to create Jordan and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia must also be torn up and disregarded.

[Hummin]

26 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

All that is very nice, but the fact is that the Ottoman Empire left  the Middle East in a mess.  Israel had been recognized as an entity, and yet was managed as a department of  Damascus. Everything was a part of the  Ottoman Empire. The Saudis were treated like filth and relegated to the desert. There was no Syria, no Iraq, no Lebanon and no Jordan. The collapse of the Empire  changed all that.  To deny the right of modern Israel to exist requires that the agreements to define the borders of Syria and Iraq, to carve Lebanon out of Syria, to create Jordan and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia must also be torn up and disregarded.

When an Empire collapses, it doesn't happens without a mess. It's the nature of the change

[BigStar]

The satirical Babylon Bee satirical interview w/ a "Hamas terrorist" says it best.