Single Farang has sex in sea: Onlookers see, resulting in death of Farang.

[fredwiggy]

7 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Yes I do.

On TV, I do.

 

There isn't any reason besides self gratification. No one here thinks you're a genius, because a lot of us do understand a genius does not have to tell anyone. My father had a genius level IQ and my mom was very smart. This doesn't mean I also have one. Close but no cigar and I know my limitations but couldn't care less. Some things I know a lot about and some very little, the same as everyone else that uses their brain by reading daily.

[GammaGlobulin]

13 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

There isn't any reason besides self gratification.

 

RIGHT!!!!

 

But, fortunately, I will not be arrested, and off myself, just due to my self gratification, like the lady in the video I linked, in this OP.

 

Such a sad case, really.

I feel great EMPATHY for her.

I wonder if she might have been on psychiatric meds, too!

 

Maybe Hers is just one more case of the many lethal casualties caused by western-style Psychiatric Quackery.

 

 

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Right.

 

The best that can be done, at the present time, is to provide support during the natural healing process, if it is to occur at all.

Drugs should not be prescribed due to significant and very harmful side effects.

 

Psychiatrists that continue approaches that do not work are:

a.  Not scientists

b. Quacks

c. Scammers

 

By the way, the mental health in countries such as SE Asia is far better than in English speaking countries, the countries where this pseudoscientific psychiatric quackery originated.

 

I have always felt that the population on Taiwan was quite sane compared to English-speaking countries. And, I do not think that it is the English language that is responsible for this problem.

 

Mental Health in the USA and the UK, according to some, is in dire straits.

Would anyone disagree?

 

 

Actually Thailand has a very high incidence of mental illness, and nowhere near the amount of places you can go for help the US has. There are millions of teenagers suffering from depression here. Doctors here are quick to prescribe Fluoxetine (prozac) although this is only one of the meds available. Depression again cannot be healed naturally. When the brain has a deficiency, you can't put it back with food and exercise. The only thing that can be done, at least for now, is what was mentioned earlier. The huge problem here regarding mental health is thousands of children growing up in a family with no fathers, and sometimes no mothers also, raised by grandmas that haven't the ability or knowledge to do the proper job. Children without stability quickly fall into the drug and alcohol trap, which makes any underlying mental problem much worse.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, GammaGlobulin said:

 

RIGHT!!!!

 

But, fortunately, I will not be arrested, and off myself, just due to my self gratification, like the lady in the video I linked, in this OP.

 

Such a sad case, really.

I feel great EMPATHY for her.

I wonder if she might have been on psychiatric meds, too!

 

Maybe Hers is just one more case of the many lethal casualties caused by Psychiatric Quackery.

 

 

I think you're confusing empathy with sympathy, which aren't the same. Maybe that girl would have benefited from seeing a doctor to see what could have been done to get her mood swings under control, and outrageous behavior.

[GammaGlobulin]

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

When the brain has a deficiency, you can't put it back with food and exercise.

 

Wow.

 

You are quoting GARBAGE SCIENCE again.

 

Show us your EVIDENCE for this chemical imbalance hypothesis of yours.

You cannot.

The evidence does not exist.

 

This is garbage science.

 

Drugs are useless.

The brain quickly compensates for many of the psychoactive drugs added by doctors and shrinks.

And this causes lasting harm.

Even more tragically, this can also delay or even prevent recovery.

 

Welcome to the American Medicine Show!

 

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I think you're confusing empathy with sympathy

 

No I am not.

I learned the meanings of both words before I attended elementary school.

I know the meanings of both words in English, Thai, and Chinese.

I think you are confused.

 

[GammaGlobulin]

29 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Depression again cannot be healed naturally.

 

Your statement is TOTALLY untrue.

Everyone knows that depression improves spontaneously without drug intervention.

 

Also, when we consider anxiety/depression, natural (non--drug-intervention time) healing time is an important consideration.  In other words, just like any physical injury, depression may be thought of as being an "injury" which requires time to heal.

 

I would suggest that you watch this entire lecture series given by Robert Sapolsky:

 

I really enjoyed these lectures (most if not all of them).

Sapolsky is an amusing guy...and knows, full well, the meaning of Science....

 

 

 

 

[theshu25]

On 4/19/2024 at 9:03 AM, Sticky Rice Balls said:

i would agree.....the OP seems to be defending her behavior and normalizing it as it being acceptable behavior in LOS....in a highly conservative culture---outside of the backdoor "illegal " sex trade

The Op is nothing but a grub troll seeking attention.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Wow.

 

You are quoting GARBAGE SCIENCE again.

 

Show us your EVIDENCE for this chemical imbalance hypothesis of yours.

You cannot.

The evidence does not exist.

 

This is garbage science.

 

Drugs are useless.

The brain quickly compensates for the psychoactive drugs added by doctors and shrinks.

And this causes lasting harm.

And, this can also prevent and delay recovery.

 

Welcome to the American Medicine Show!

 

 

 

Tell that to the millions that are still here after getting the right prescription. garbage science in your mind? Does this also factor in all the millions who are alive today because of insulin shots and heart medicine? I gave my ex girlfriend St. John's Wort when I saw she had depression. It helped just a little, and when she got on a medicine a doctor she finally saw suggested, she didn't get better but more agitated. The next one helped her tremendously. She had depression most of her adult life, and I saw a psychological she had done when she was a late teenager. It showed suicidal ideations. Her father hung himself from depression, and her mother had it bad.

 

Our daughter has it and has trouble. There are natural things you can do to help with minor depression, but they don't work much with a clinical diagnosis. This is why a doctor has to try other things to prevent them from getting to a suicidal stage.

 

My best friend took his own life back in 1987, way before most knew much about how depression could be treated. He would be still here if he had gotten on something to help with his symptoms, of which there were many.

 

Tell me why you are so vehement on not using medication and say there are other things when you have no proof they work with clinical depression. I'm thinking you are lumping all types of depression together, which many do, not realizing there are various types and some do respond to natural methods of therapy. Some don't, period.

 

Chemical imbalances surely do cause depression, along with many other things, like environment, a faulty mood regulation in the brain,and genetics, which is a major factor in a person having depression. They all tie together meaning somethings going wrong in the brain.

 

Many people have tried homeopathy and ended up committing suicide because what they were doing wasn't as strong as the depression they had. Why must you post links to bolster your argument? Don't you see I already know about all of this, studying it for the last 30 plus years? There are many people making opinions on what works, with little results. What we have now is all we have, at least for now, until they can figure out what a person can take without causing more problems than the depression itself. Saving a person is the main thing right now, before they get so low that they think the only way out is out.

[fredwiggy]

14 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

No I am not.

I learned the meanings of both words before I attended elementary school.

I know the meanings of both words in English, Thai, and Chinese.

I think you are confused.

 

No, I'm the one that actually reads books on the subject, and doesn't go to some videos to try to prove a point. Empathy is you actually feeling what they are feeling, putting yourself in their shoes so to speak.  Feeling bad for someone is sympathy. You can't feel what she is feeling if you aren't suffering from clinical depression, which she obviously was.

[GammaGlobulin]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I gave my ex girlfriend St. John's Wort when I saw she had depression. It helped just a little,

 

Yes.
This is just anecdotal and is not science.

Sorry.

 

A trial of ONE is meaningless, as you know.

 

[fredwiggy]

15 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Your statement is TOTALLY untrue.

Everyone knows that depression improves spontaneously without drug intervention.

 

Also, when we consider anxiety/depression, natural (non--drug-intervention time) healing time is an important consideration.  In other words, just like any physical injury, depression may be thought of as being an "injury" which requires time to heal.

 

I would suggest that you watch this entire lecture series given by Robert Sapolsky:

 

I really enjoyed these lectures (most if not all of them).

Sapolsky is an amusing guy...and knows, full well, the meaning of Science....

 

 

 

 

Where the hell do you get everyone knows about anything? There are millions of people that do not understand about depression. Many of them kill themselves every day. The rest of us, without "proper" studying on the subject, will never understand what they are going through. If everyone knew that depression can be helped without drug intervention, explain to me the millions that are on meds now, and the millions that are still alive due to taking something for the "symptoms", as there is no curer. I will not watch anything you post, as I have read, watched, and listened to far more on the subject than you could ever imagine. Remember, I lived and am living this, with an ex wife, daughter, best friend, cousins, friends and a girlfriend that has depression or died from it. You go by what some person says, and debunk what others, who have written books on the subject say. What makes your person right with their untested theories? If they worked, the whole world would be off medicine, and believe me, you won't find anyone who's more against taking unnecessary medicine than I am.

 

As for anyone else that's reading his words, please take them with a grain of salt, as clinical depression, at least now, has no cure, and people who have tried natural methods have only succeeded because it was temporary environmental or seasonal depression. It's always best to get a good doctors advice, along with research on the latest methods, before you start your own therapy.

[fredwiggy]

8 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Yes.
This is just anecdotal and is not science.

Sorry.

 

A trial of ONE is meaningless, as you know.

 

Like many others who take one sentence out of a paragraph and comment on it, you're leaving out the rest of what I said.

[GammaGlobulin]

19 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, I'm the one that actually reads books on the subject, and doesn't go to some videos to try to prove a point. Empathy is you actually feeling what they are feeling, putting yourself in their shoes so to speak. 

 

You mean, you don't watch videos concerning empathy?

 

 

Or, maybe you might enjoy this one on Empathy and Dogs as a reply to a question from a lay member of the audience after a Sapolsky lecture?

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

And, please do not miss this clip, too!

 

 

Important Observation:  Robert Sapolsky has a better beard than Freud ever had.

 

 

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

You mean, you don't watch videos concerning empathy?

 

 

Or, maybe you might enjoy this one on Empathy and Dogs as a reply to a question from a lay member of the audience after a Sapolsky lecture?

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

And, please do not miss this clip, too!

 

 

Important Observation:  Robert Sapolsky has a better beard than Freud ever had.

 

You would be very surprised if you knew just how much I have read on this subject. Daily, for over 30 years adds up to a lot of reading, listening and watching, from every author you could imagine. The fact based ones who actually are doing experiments, the scientists you would call them, the ones who listen to such scientists and write books, the psychologists and psychiatrists that evaluated millions of clients, and also the ones who make personal opinions because they watched a friend die using meds, or they tried one and it didn't work out, so they are against all meds., or they are Satan worshipers who want all people confused.

[GammaGlobulin]

21 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You would be very surprised if you knew just how much I have read on this subject. Daily, for over 30 years adds up to a lot of reading, listening and watching, from every author you could imagine. The fact based ones who actually are doing experiments, the scientists you would call them, the ones who listen to such scientists and write books, the psychologists and psychiatrists that evaluated millions of clients, and also the ones who make personal opinions because they watched a friend die using meds, or they tried one and it didn't work out, so they are against all meds., or they are Satan worshipers who want all people confused.

 

I have always been convinced that depression is a disease that is worse than cancer. With cancer, one can still feel hope, and one can enjoy life. But with severe depression, the mind completely rules the body, and hope is lost due to a warped perception of reality, caused by depression.

 

I also believe that the drugs that medicine has to offer, to date, have not proven to be effective and safe.

 

Further, I believe that, in some cases, these drugs have led to further deterioration of mental health, such as in the exacerbations of complications from depression.

 

Watching the video linked in the original topic, we see a woman who is intelligent and well-spoken, even if her beach behavior might seem aberrant to some.

Then, fast-forward a few months, and she dies by her own hand, in such a horrific way.

What went wrong?

Depression?

Was it the public shaming that played a part?

Certainly, she needed help and supportive care, and also caring from her community.

But, did she get what she needed?

Somehow, I doubt it.

Was she of such little value that her plight should have been ignored by neighbors and family?

 

I would have liked to know the entire story.

 

But, hers is just another example of a mental health issue, and maybe alienation from her community, that led to a very tragic outcome.

 

I do feel for her, of course.

Who would not?

 

 

 

 

[fredwiggy]

23 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

I have always been convinced that depression is a disease that is worse than cancer. With cancer, one can still feel hope, and one can enjoy life. But with severe depression, the mind completely rules the body, and hope is lost due to a warped perception of reality, caused by depression.

 

I also believe that the drugs that medicine has to offer, to date, have not proven to be effective and safe.

 

Further, I believe that, in some cases, these drugs have led to further deterioration of mental health, such as in the exacerbations of complications from depression.

 

Watching the video linked in the original topic, we see a woman who is intelligent and well-spoken, even if her beach behavior might seem aberrant to some.

Then, fast-forward a few months, and she dies by her own hand, in such a horrific way.

What went wrong?

Depression?

Was it the public shaming that played a part?

Certainly, she needed help and supportive care, and also caring from her community.

But, did she get what she needed?

Somehow, I doubt it.

Was she of such little value that her plight should have been ignored by neighbors and family?

 

I would have liked to know the entire story.

 

But, hers is just another example of a mental health issue, and maybe alienation from her community, that led to a very tragic outcome.

 

I do feel for her, of course.

Who would not?

 

 

 

 

People who have depression hide it from others, many being ashamed that they have this disease, when it has nothing to do with them but their family history. You believe that meds hurt them. I know meds have helped millions stay alive and live better lives. It takes experimentation, like guinea pigs, to find what one works. Many give up because they try one and since it didn't work, or things got worse, they stop. Many stop their medications because they start to help them, and they think it will last. It doesn't . The brain doesn't not heal itself if it has this disease called clinical depression.

 

We aren't again talking about temporary depression which most get for one reason or another. The wrong medication for any illness will not work. The right one might make a life better. Depression does not go away, so it has to be treated, forever. No one has come up with anything besides some pills that treat the symptoms, and that's all we have now.

[GammaGlobulin]

30 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

We aren't again talking about temporary depression which most get for one reason or another. The wrong medication for any illness will not work. The right one might make a life better.

 

To date, as we know very well, there IS NO right medication.

The right medication does NOT exist.

 

Why is this?

This is due to the nature of the brain itself.

The brain always strives to return to the original homeostatic state.

 

Think of it like WackAMole...maybe.

We use meds to push the systems of the brain in one direction, and then the brain immediately begins to COMPENSATE for the introduction of these meds, by the increased production of chemicals in the attempt to restore the original equilibrium state.

 

Worse yet, after exposure to these psychoactive drugs for an extended period of time, there may be no return to the original "normal" state.

 

For sure, society needs better solutions for mental health problems.

 

However, the present-day drugs seem to be negatively impacting mental health, and not improving it.

 

What fraction of the US population is now consuming long-term psychoactive medications, as of 2024?

 

 

THIS, all of this, is nothing but CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR of Pharma Corporations.

 

Importantly, there seems to be NO POLITICAL WILL to change the situation in the USA.

We need OTHER and BETTER mental health treatments that do not employ pharmaceuticals that TRULY are not yet available.

 

In fact, looking at the STATS of 2023 psychiatric drug consumption, I am reminded of the 1960s, when this Stones song was popular.

 

If life is a drag...

There is really no quick fix.

 

Life is just one tragedy after the next.

What did our mothers expect, anyway?

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Depression does not go away, so it has to be treated, forever.

 

NO.

Not according to Johns Hopkins Medicine.

But, Johns Hopkins is such a slouch medical center....

 

 

 

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

NO.

Not according to Johns Hopkins Medicine.

But, Johns Hopkins is such a slouch medical center....

 

 

 

This from medical news is probably the best response...........

Depression is a lifelong condition, as there is no cure. However, this does not necessarily mean that it will affect a person every day of their life. With the right treatment plan, remission is possible. The treatment plan may need adjusting throughout a person’s life.

Depression is one of the most treatable mental health conditions. Between 80% and 90% of people with depression respond well to treatment, meaning that they see an improvement in their symptoms or the symptoms disappear.    This means medicine can help treat the symptoms, although depression is a lifelong disease which can go into remission, as I have seen it happen many times with many people I personally know.