On 4/20/2024 at 4:11 PM, Walker88 said:

The law says 'a jury of his peers', but admittedly the court needed some extra latitude in that regard.

 

I mean, how many other morbidly obese, mendacious, narcoleptic, serial philandering, racist, Narcissistic, twice impeached, convicted sex offenders, convicted bank and insurance fraudsters, convicted charity fraudsters facing 91 felony indictments are out there?

Brilliant summerisation of the filthy grifter.

2 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Maybe the Judge will have Trump come to the bench and settle the argument?

Will the judge dismiss it for lack of evidence in that case?

42 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Does it?

 

 

Very silly comment.

 

Have you ever heard of Whitewater, the $37 million Repub 'investigation' into a tiny RE deal that resulted in a stained blue dress?

 

How about the 11 straight hours Hillary endured discussing another Repub expensive wild goose chase referred to as Benghazi?

 

As for Hunter, is he a govt official? Did he try to sell his name to developments in India and the UAE as Uday and Qusay Don, Jr and Eric did?

 

Did any Biden or Clinton go to the Russian Embassy in DC a month before the inauguration of their namesake to "open a secret direct channel to putin", as Jared did?

 

Did Hunter get $1.2 billion from Qatar to refinance a white elephant in NYC (666 5th Ave) while serving as a Senior Adviser to the President, as Jared did? And why did the sanctions imposed on Qatar 'suddenly' get removed days after the refinancing?

 

Did Hunter get 37 trademarks approved in China while serving as a Senior Adviser to the President, as Ivanka did?

 

I must have missed the DoJ going after Jared, Don, Jr, Eric and Ivanka for their influence peddling.

 

ONLY trump tried to overturn an election. ONLY trump stole highly classified documents (vs the personal notes with some classified info removed by Pence, Biden and Reagan) and then lied about returning them. ONLY trump tried to pressure a State official to commit voter and election fraud. ONLY trump called his goobers to DC to "fight like hell" and "march to the Capitol". Al Gore, who had a legitimate reason to question the SC's decision re Florida, did not do what trump did.

 

trump absolutely 100% deserves all the indictments coming his way, and if he truly was innocent, he would want to clear his name as quickly as possible, rather than delay in the longshot hope he wins re-election and can pardon himself for a few of his alleged crimes.

13 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Your opinions are noted but not factual.

 

 

Says guy posting ripped Breitbart hit piece.

On 4/20/2024 at 10:49 PM, BigStar said:

 

So naive. It's all about money & power. The threats came from Dim party and their thugs. 

amazing how those dems are able to convince life long trumper maga morons to testify against dear leader...must be some powerful "thugs" to pull that off especially knowing that the magas will threaten their fellow trumpers along with their families who dare to testify......enjoy the cult and the kool aide.

32 minutes ago, pomchop said:

amazing how those dems are able to convince life long trumper maga morons to testify against dear leader.

It's called a subpoena:

 

He’s the first person ever to testify at a criminal trial of a former U.S. president, and David Pecker is doing so under subpoena, with his lawyer in the courtroom.

 

https://apnews.com/live/trump-trial-updates-opening-statements

 

Or maybe as in Jimmy Durante's famous line:

 

 “Everybody wants to get into the act!”

 

 

Edited April 23, 20242 yr by jerrymahoney

Meanwhile in court.

 

Pecker testifies to his part in ‘catch and kill’ on Trump’s behalf while Trump’s lawyer humiliated himself.

 

The hearing on Trump’s flaunting the partial gag order didn’t go well, the ruling has yet to come.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/23/trump-hush-money-trial-new-york

32 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

It's called a subpoena:

 

He’s the first person ever to testify at a criminal trial of a former U.S. president, and David Pecker is doing so under subpoena, with his lawyer in the courtroom.

 

https://apnews.com/live/trump-trial-updates-opening-statements

 

Or maybe as in Jimmy Durante's famous line:

 

 “Everybody wants to get into the act!”

 

 

There are many many more beyond pecker involved in the variety of charges....trumper after trumper has come forth from jan 6 on to share what they saw and heard....very easy to say..."i don't recall" but few did....bottom line is the same old tired line of a dem witch hunt that has been the cult motto  for years is simply yet another lie spun to try and protect dear leader.

49 minutes ago, pomchop said:

.trumper after trumper has come forth from jan 6 on to share what they saw and heard

Sure. After receiving a subpoena.

4 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Sure. After receiving a subpoena.

subponea or not their testimony has the potential to fry donnie and the dunces as most of it is backed by extensive documentation as well as audio and video and much of it compliments of donnie and his big flapping mouth...

 

As stated before to call it a witch hunt is yet another lie to convince trumpers that everybody is picking on donnie boy and he has done nothing wrong.  If he is innocent then by all means drop the disrupt delay deny and get on with the trials so he can once and for all show what fools those of us who think he is a crook a criminal and a conman truly are.

7 minutes ago, pomchop said:

subponea or not their testimony has the potential to fry donnie and the dunces as most of it is backed by extensive documentation as well as audio and video and much of it compliments of donnie and his big flapping mouth...

 

As stated before to call it a witch hunt is yet another lie to convince trumpers that everybody is picking on donnie boy and he has done nothing wrong.  If he is innocent then by all means drop the disrupt delay deny and get on with the trials so he can once and for all show what fools those of us who think he is a crook a criminal and a conman truly are.

Come forth? they didn't volunteer.

On 4/22/2024 at 1:13 PM, Danderman123 said:

Nothing in your post helps Trump prove his innocence.

 

A DA promising to convict a perp doesn't make the perp innocent.

And his promise doesn’t make a person guilty.

16 minutes ago, G_Money said:

And his promise doesn’t make a person guilty.

That's why there's a trial. 

 

With more to come.

 

How about Trump's attorneys defending Trump for his violations of the gag order? Do you think they provided a good defense?

Edited April 24, 20242 yr by Danderman123

Influencing or attempting to influence an election is not a crime. 

"Catch and kill", whereby an "exclusive" is paid for and the story never run, is not a crime.  

Reimbursing your lawyer payments for an NDA and calling it legal expenses is not a crime. 

 

And of course, it's just a coincidence that Matthew Colangelo, that served in the Obama Administration and who was one of Merrick Garland’s top guys in the Biden DOJ ended up as the lead prosecutor on the case.

 

Nothing to see here.... 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Influencing or attempting to influence an election is not a crime. 

"Catch and kill", whereby an "exclusive" is paid for and the story never run, is not a crime.  

Reimbursing your lawyer payments for an NDA and calling it legal expenses is not a crime. 

 

And of course, it's just a coincidence that Matthew Colangelo, that served in the Obama Administration and who was one of Merrick Garland’s top guys in the Biden DOJ ended up as the lead prosecutor on the case.

 

Nothing to see here.... 

 

 

 

This trial will be a big surprise for you.

 

 

14 hours ago, pomchop said:

amazing how those dems are able to convince life long trumper maga morons to testify against dear leader...must be some powerful "thugs" to pull that off

 

You dunno? So innocent. The DOJ, FBI, and local AG thugs have unlimited funds at their disposal to intimidate, bankrupt, prosecute & jail.  

5 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

You dunno? So innocent. The DOJ, FBI, and local AG thugs have unlimited funds at their disposal to intimidate, bankrupt, prosecute & jail.  

if you do not want to be charged with crimes then it might be a good idea not to commit crimes and leave massive piles of evidence behind....whether magas like it or not it is the job of doj fbi and ag to investigate and gather evidence when crimes are alleged and then present that evidence to a grand jury of regular citizens who then determine whether the evidence warrants indictments.....that is what has happened.  I doubt trump will be bankrupted as he seems to have a lot of delusional fools willing to keep sending him $$ to pay the army of lawyers who are trying to defend the indefensible.

13 hours ago, pomchop said:

if you do not want to be charged with crimes then it might be a good idea not to commit crimes and leave massive piles of evidence behind.

 

Sad. That's not at all how it works with political persecution. "Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime," Lavrentiy Beria famously said. What wasn't a crime, becomes a crime (with law enacted retroactively if necessary) or is simply alleged to be possibly a crime that'll have to be defended at ruinous cost, possibly (even probably) before biased jurors. Ruination of a career may be threatened:

 

Jay Bratt, the special counsel’s lead prosecutor, allegedly threatened Trump staff member Walt Nauta’s attorney, Stanley Woodward, with sabotaging his judicial nomination to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia if he could not get Nauta to turn on Trump, according to a newly unsealed motion originally filed in June 2023.

     --https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/24/here-are-the-3-most-shocking-discoveries-just-unsealed-in-trump-classified-docs-case/

 

Indictments, to which our more feminine members cling religiously, don't mean a lot, as a good prosecutor can get a ham sandwich indicted. No defense is presented.

 

I'll leave it at that, because you're too naive for this discussion, and it's the usual waste of time attempting to educate.

Edited April 25, 20242 yr by BigStar

18 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Sad. That's not at all how it works with political persecution. "Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime," Lavrentiy Beria famously said. What wasn't a crime, becomes a crime (with law enacted retroactively if necessary) or is simply alleged to be possibly a crime that'll have to be defended at ruinous cost, possibly (even probably) before biased jurors. Ruination of a career may be threatened:

 

Jay Bratt, the special counsel’s lead prosecutor, allegedly threatened Trump staff member Walt Nauta’s attorney, Stanley Woodward, with sabotaging his judicial nomination to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia if he could not get Nauta to turn on Trump, according to a newly unsealed motion originally filed in June 2023.

     --https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/24/here-are-the-3-most-shocking-discoveries-just-unsealed-in-trump-classified-docs-case/

 

Indictments, to which our more feminine members cling religiously, don't mean a lot, as a good prosecutor can get a ham sandwich indicted. No defense is presented.

 

I'll leave it at that, because you're too naive for this discussion, and it's the usual waste of time attempting to educate.

The political persecution in this case has moved into a criminal trial.

 

Political persecution can refer to political repression, which is when a state entity controls a citizenry by force for political reasons. This can include:

Fear tactics like torture, extrajudicial killings, forced disappearances, and political imprisonment

Restricting civil liberties like freedom of movement, association, speech, and assembly

Internet censorship

Unfair administrative hurdles for registering demonstrations

Ban on political parties

Restricting access to information

Tracking the political opposition

Acts of violence 

Edited April 25, 20242 yr by earlinclaifornia

22 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

The political persecution in this case has moved into a criminal trial.

 

Has continued into a politically-motivated trial, yes. Happens when the victim can't be intimidated into silence or capitulation.

 

24 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Political persecution can refer to political repression, which is when a state entity controls a citizenry by force for political reasons. This can include:

Fear tactics like torture, extrajudicial killings, forced disappearances, and political imprisonment

Restricting civil liberties like freedom of movement, association, speech, and assembly

Internet censorship

Unfair administrative hurdles for registering demonstrations

Ban on political parties

Restricting access to information

Tracking the political opposition

Acts of violence 

 

Yup, that's some of what the Biden admin, cronies, and thugs are continuing to try to do, and more, with additional subtleties to add in. And no, I'm not going to get into one your bickering loops, as you'll end in silence only to try a different one. It's a religion. 🙂 

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Has continued into a politically-motivated trial, yes. Happens when the victim can't be intimidated into silence or capitulation.

 

 

Yup, that's some of what the Biden admin, cronies, and thugs are continuing to try to do, and more, with additional subtleties to add in. And no, I'm not going to get into one your bickering loops, as you'll end in silence only to try a different one. It's a religion. 🙂 

 

 

 

 

Yes, best you give in as Trump too will not even admit to losing in 2020.

Edited April 25, 20242 yr by earlinclaifornia

11 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Has continued into a politically-motivated trial, yes. Happens when the victim can't be intimidated into silence or capitulation.

 

 

Yup, that's some of what the Biden admin, cronies, and thugs are continuing to try to do, and more, with additional subtleties to add in. And no, I'm not going to get into one your bickering loops, as you'll end in silence only to try a different one. It's a religion. 🙂 

 

 

 

 

Just more for you to add to your denials:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-grand-jury-indicts-11-232335673.html

Still waiting for the Big to show the Biden  "political persecution" !! 

4 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

Has continued into a politically-motivated trial, yes. Happens when the victim can't be intimidated into silence or capitulation.

 

 

Yup, that's some of what the Biden admin, cronies, and thugs are continuing to try to do, and more, with additional subtleties to add in. And no, I'm not going to get into one your bickering loops, as you'll end in silence only to try a different one. It's a religion. 🙂 

 

 

 

 

All of the trials have been politically motivated from the get. 

On 4/24/2024 at 1:39 PM, Danderman123 said:

This trial will be a big surprise for you.

 

 

Nothing about any of these trials would surprise me, except Trump being found not guilty. 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Nothing about any of these trials would surprise me, except Trump being found not guilty. 

Trump still might beat the rap in the NY case, or be found guilty of misdemeanors, if that's a possibility.

 

Also, the Georgia case is complicated, and he's up against a county DA, not the Feds.

 

In the Federal cases, he's dead meat, if they happen.

Edited April 25, 20242 yr by Danderman123

A little campaigning during his trial.  The real working people of NYC supported him.

 

He could win New York despite the corruption of the “elites “.

 

You won’t see this on CNN or MSNBC.  
 

Your welcome!

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-slams-bidenomics-ahead-court-claims-good-chance-winning-liberal-state

57 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump still might beat the rap in the NY case, or be found guilty of misdemeanors, if that's a possibility.

 

Also, the Georgia case is complicated, and he's up against a county DA, not the Feds.

 

In the Federal cases, he's dead meat, if they happen.

Switching sides?

.
 

Its Election Interference to keep Trump off the Campaign Trail , through out the entire trial.

Professor Lipson  :I think the trial is outrageous!

 

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

In the Federal cases, he's dead meat, if they happen.

Headline NY Times 25 April EDT:

 

U.S. Supreme Court Majority Seems Ready to Limit Election Case Against Trump

Such a ruling in the case, on whether Donald Trump is immune from prosecution, could delay any trial until after the November election.