Bkk Brian Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Just now, placnx said: Not B.S. After the huge number of target identifications, there is only minutes or seconds to authorize the bombing. No need anymore for seniors or legal people to be consulted. Can you provide a link to say this is untrue? 48 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Contrary to claims, the IDF does not use an artificial intelligence system that identifies terrorist operatives or tries to predict whether a person is a terrorist. Information systems are merely tools for analysts in the target identification process. According to IDF directives, analysts must conduct independent examinations, in which they verify that the identified targets meet the relevant definitions in accordance with international law and additional restrictions stipulated in the IDF directives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The British ruled Israel before it became a Country in 1948 and also other lands in the region . Britain did indeed occupy parts of Arabia , that's isn't a fake factoids . Once again, you are falsely accusing me of lying . (Arabia being the Arabian peninsula) They were in the Gulf long before WW 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_Residency So that part of Arabia is not relevant since Turks were not in control there. Brits never occupied what became Saudi Arabia. They just installed a Hashemite to rule in Mecca to replace the Turk's man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: No its not the only one. BBC is just one of others who had reporters there working away from IDF inbeds BBC seems to have just recently gotten a freelance journalist Gazan to supply video and comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: There were Hamas terrorists inside the house murdering Israelis and firing from the house , Hamas were firing RPGs from the house and using Israelis as human shields . Hamas terrorists were going from house to house killing Israelis . What killed the Israelis ? Hamas or the tanks ? No, nobody was being killed until the tank fired and killed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 3 minutes ago, placnx said: They were in the Gulf long before WW 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_Residency So that part of Arabia is not relevant since Turks were not in control there. Brits never occupied what became Saudi Arabia. They just installed a Hashemite to rule in Mecca to replace the Turk's man. I did mean Arabia , as in the Arabian peninsula , as the countries were called different names back then , rather than Saudi Arabia which didn't exist at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 minute ago, placnx said: No, nobody was being killed until the tank fired and killed them. Can you provide a link to that claim? (Non Al-Jazeera link) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 6 minutes ago, placnx said: BBC seems to have just recently gotten a freelance journalist Gazan to supply video and comment. BBC Was there reporting right from the beginning with its own staff Edited May 3 by Bkk Brian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Can you provide a link to say this is untrue? Go to the original link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 1 minute ago, placnx said: Go to the original link. I read that before, the article I supplied was a clarification to the false claims by your link which remain B.S. Edited May 3 by Bkk Brian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: BBC Was there reporting right from the beginning From outside Gaza. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 minute ago, placnx said: From outside Gaza. You carry on with false information, from Nov: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-67333418 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 11 minutes ago, placnx said: No, nobody was being killed until the tank fired and killed them. You are NOT telling the truth . The incident will be investigated AFTER the war has finished and its not currently known how the people died . So once again, you aren't telling the truth From Wiki "How many of the hostages died as a result of tank fire is unclear" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: B.S. Contrary to claims, the IDF does not use an artificial intelligence system that identifies terrorist operatives or tries to predict whether a person is a terrorist. Information systems are merely tools for analysts in the target identification process. According to IDF directives, analysts must conduct independent examinations, in which they verify that the identified targets meet the relevant definitions in accordance with international law and additional restrictions stipulated in the IDF directives. Could be true and could be a lie. IDF as a source is just as unreliable as the earlier, contradictory,source. Edited May 3 by stevenl 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 17 minutes ago, stevenl said: Could be true and could be a lie. IDF as a source is just as unreliable as the earlier, contradictory,source. IDF is the direct source. How is it just as unreliable as the other source? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 4 hours ago, placnx said: I just saw Peter Eliasberg, Chief Counsel of the ACLU (Southern CA), on the BBC concerning the circumstances around the university decision to shut down the UCLA protest. He remarked that police were present and did nothing when a group of, in his words, thugs violently attacked the protest site. He said that the university could not use that violence as a pretext to declare the protest unlawful, because there is a legal concept called heckler's veto. "A heckler's veto is a situation in which a party who disagrees with a speaker's message is able to unilaterally trigger events that result in the speaker being silenced." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler's_veto Interestingly, the ACLU of Michigan in a friend-of-the-court brief aided a successful appeal of the case of a group of evangelicals who staged an obnoxious march in Dearborn during the 2012 Arab International Festival and whom the police ordered to cease and desist due to their "incitement". https://www.aclumich.org/en/cases/hecklers-veto Likely Christion nationalists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: IDF is the direct source. How is it just as unreliable as the other source? So anyone accused of something and denying the accusation is a reliable source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 minute ago, stevenl said: So anyone accused of something and denying the accusation is a reliable source. Wait a minute, you said the IDF is just as unreliable as the other source, how do you know what, do you even know the other source? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Just now, Bkk Brian said: Wait a minute, you said the IDF is just as unreliable as the other source, how do you know what, do you even know the other source? You are thinking too much, to them, anyone that is anti-Israel is a reliable source. Just like to you, anyone that is anti-Trump is a reliable source. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 23 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: You are thinking too much, to them, anyone that is anti-Israel is a reliable source. Just like to you, anyone that is anti-Trump is a reliable source. So according to you claiming both sources are unreliable as I did means I indicated one of the sources is reliable. You're not making sense at all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 6 minutes ago, stevenl said: So according to you claiming both sources are unreliable as I did means I indicated one of the sources is reliable. You're not making sense at all. Only if you are one of "them". Are you? 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 (edited) On 5/3/2024 at 3:03 PM, Bkk Brian said: You carry on with false information, from Nov: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-67333418 As you say, this is from November. Today there's a BBC News program "Eye Investigations: My War". At the end of the program the reporter for BBC Arabic Adnan El Bursh and his team are leaving Gaza on February 10th. This program will run again at 18:30 today. Excellent. The journalist in your clip left Gaza on December 5th, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67592794 He posted this after leaving, in memory: This journalist, Samer al Daqqa, working for al Jazeera, and his team was bombed on December 15th. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samer_Abu_Daqqa I will now stop reading and commenting on these Gaza war threads until something signficant happens, for example, an indictment of war criminals or a significant ceasefire. The readership of these threads is just too small, and the abusive posting of propaganda makes rational discussion impossible. Edited May 4 by placnx more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Rather ironic how the US govt is complaining about fee paying students occupying their campus when they are complicit in Israel forces occupying Gaza! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 4 minutes ago, placnx said: As you say, this is from November. Today there's a program "Eye Investigations: My War". At the end of the program the reporter for BBC Arabic Adnan El Bursh and his team are leaving Gaza on February 10th. This program will run again at 18:30 today. Excellent. The journalist in your clip left Gaza on December 5th, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67592794 I will now stop reading and commenting on these Gaza war threads until something signficant happens, for example, an indictment of war criminals or a significant ceasefire. The readership of these threads is just too small, and the abusive posting of propaganda makes rational discussion impossible. Like I said, the BBC was there reporting right from the beginning with its own staff. Your new claim that there is "abusive posting of propaganda" is you again making inflammatory accusations so yes a good idea that when that's all of you've got, to excuse yourself until another day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 On 5/3/2024 at 12:05 PM, Hanaguma said: Actions have consequences. You think the Israelis are stupid? They would far rather have a prosperous, peaceful, and free neighbor. Yes, they are stupid, and insane. You are totally irrational now. How can you have a peaceful neighbour is you keep stealing their land? I can only assume you have some interests in Israeli that you are hiding. Since 1967, each Israeli government has invested significant resources in establishing and expanding the settlements in the Occupied Territories, both in terms of the area of land they occupy and in terms of population. As a result of this policy, approximately 380,000 Israeli citizens now live on the settlements on the West Bank, including those established in East Jerusalem (this report does not relate to the settlements in the Gaza Strip). https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200205_land_grab 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 The students are not stupid, unlike many in the USA, who turn a blind eye to the Genocide, and also the reasons that started it. Israel has used a complex legal and bureaucratic mechanism to take control of more than fifty percent of the land in the West Bank. This land was used mainly to establish settlements and create reserves of land for the future expansion of the settlements. The principal tool used to take control of land is to declare it "state land." This process began in 1979, and is based on a manipulative implementation of the Ottoman Lands Law of 1858, which applied in the area at the time of occupation. Other methods employed by Israel to take control of land include seizure for military needs, declaration of land as "abandoned assets," and the expropriation of land for public needs. Each of these are based on a different legal foundation. In addition, Israel has assisted private citizens purchasing land on the "free market." https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200205_land_grab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nick Carter icp Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Neeranam said: I seem to recall that video from about three years ago . The Jewish man was an American guy sent to live in the house . The house and land was owned by American Jews and they wanted a Jewish presence to remain in the house , to stop the land being given to Palestinians by the Government Edited May 4 by Nick Carter icp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 56 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Yes, they are stupid, and insane. You are totally irrational now. How can you have a peaceful neighbour is you keep stealing their land? I can only assume you have some interests in Israeli that you are hiding. Since 1967, each Israeli government has invested significant resources in establishing and expanding the settlements in the Occupied Territories, both in terms of the area of land they occupy and in terms of population. As a result of this policy, approximately 380,000 Israeli citizens now live on the settlements on the West Bank, including those established in East Jerusalem (this report does not relate to the settlements in the Gaza Strip). https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200205_land_grab (this report does not relate to the settlements in the Gaza Strip). Well yes obviously because there are no settlements in the Gaza Strip which is where Hamas is based and attacked from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 58 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Yes, they are stupid, and insane. You are totally irrational now. How can you have a peaceful neighbour is you keep stealing their land? I can only assume you have some interests in Israeli that you are hiding. Since 1967, each Israeli government has invested significant resources in establishing and expanding the settlements in the Occupied Territories, both in terms of the area of land they occupy and in terms of population. As a result of this policy, approximately 380,000 Israeli citizens now live on the settlements on the West Bank, including those established in East Jerusalem (this report does not relate to the settlements in the Gaza Strip). https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200205_land_grab ...which begs the question, why didn't Egypt (who controlled Gaza) or Jordan (who controlled the West Bank) bother to create any form of Palestinian state in the years between 1948 and 1967? Seems like it wasn't a priority for them, or for the Palestinians. There are 22 Arab countries in the world, and 56 Muslim countries. They could easily step up to the plate and help their Palestinian brothers find shelter and peace. But they don't. They want to put the responsibility on one country (population 9 million) and not on the Arabs (population 450 million) to find the answer and make concessions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted May 4 Popular Post Share Posted May 4 51 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Some info on the video "Shimon HaTzadik (Sheikh Jarrah) in Eastern Jerusalem is not a settlement but has been a Jewish neighbourhood since 1875 when the land was legally purchased from its Arab owners by Ashkenazi and Sephardi communities and the house, which Mona el-Kurd claimed was being stolen, is not in fact hers but owned by the Committee of the Sephardic Community with the el-Kurd family and Yakkov Fauci living there as tenants." Jewish Families were removed from their house in 1948 when Jordan took control of the land , and Israel took the land back in 1967 and Jewish families moved back into the house . The house in question doesn't belong to the Arab woman in the video and never has done https://gnasherjew.com/antisemitic-abuse-of-yaakov-fauci/ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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