Why isn't Philippines the upcoming

[Jackbenimble]

18 hours ago, JensenZ said:

I'm not from the Philippines, but I have lived there for many years.

 

Let's not start on English grammar. It's impossible to solve. No one can agree on sentence structure. There are more exceptions than rules in English. Grammar (and spelling) Nazis are a dime a dozen on most forums.

 

It's not about how good their English grammar (or spelling) is, but how well they are understood in conversational English.

 

Let's take some examples of English dialects that many English speakers (as a first or second language) around the world would have trouble with:

 

Geordie, Scouse, Brummie, Cockney, Welsh, Yorkshire, Irish, Scottish, Cheshire, Estuary English, Indian English, South African English...

 

Put them in a call centre and see how well they are understood in OTHER countries. American English and its Filipino English derivative are generally the most easily understood dialects.

 

You'll note I mentioned Indian English. There would be an endless availability of cheaply hired Indian English speakers, but no one can understand them. The same goes for English speakers in other "cheap labour" countries.

 

 

you have elected to use the different English dialects to support your argument.......and I dont disagree that Scouse, Geordie, etc can sometimes be hard to understand even for other Brits. I was referring to those without a strong dialect though.

Lets apply dialects to Filipinos too tho in that case.......many there are unable to communicate at all in English and some even struggle to communicate with other filipinos when the many varied dialects are taken into account. BUT, even the ones who can speak English cannot spell and do not know their grammar. 

You use Call Centres to support your argument too.........you know there is a literacy test to pass before you can work in a call centre and Uni Degrees are required also? 

I have worked with Filipinos for 17 years and nothing you can say in their defence alters the fact that their spelling and grammar is dreadful. 

Where I live amazingly they are often hired as classroom assistants and God help those kids in their classes. I wouldn't have one anywhere near my kids.  

 

Edited May 14 by Jackbenimble

[JimTripper]

Philippines is a step down. The people you hear that like the place are the typical expats I meet in many grungy locations who think they are living in paradise for one reason or another.

[Spilornis]

19 hours ago, NicoBKK said:

I have been living some recent years in both Countries.

Philippines have been under Spanish colonization for centuries and -similarly to Indonesia under Dutch colonialism- they did not develop properly unlike the rest of SEA, being more crushed and exploited rather than developed. The Japanese and American did add the cherry on the cake in more recent times.

Furthermore the Country is scattered in thousands of islands and very mountainous, battered by earthquakes and typhoons hence, agriculturally and industrially, more difficult to develop. Thailand is more fertile, flat, stable and peacefully developed into a powerful rice and fruit farming Country since centuries.

People in Thailand also feel themselves profoundly and proudly Thai - one language, one Kingdom, very old traditions. Filipinos until 1900 did not even have a single language.

All this led to very slow development pace, unemployment being still high, double digit in some areas if compared to less then 1% in Thailand which is actually importing labors from neighboring Countries. Manila has been for decades a collector of unemployed desperate people and is now filled by shanty towns (anyone ever heard about HappyLand in Tondo?) around a super wealthy CBDs (Makati and BGC).

I also see Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam, Malaysia much faster in decision making especially on infrastructures - still somehow corrupt (Th and Vn) but with stronger decision making leaders in charge.  

PH have a great potential as the Country is super beautiful for tourism, language never a barrier and people are friendly, happy, smart and educated (great Universities there), will surely improve giving some time.

 

Just to add.

A little discussed story.

Arthur Wellesley long before he became the Duke of Wellington was despatched from India to Penang at the head of a small invasion army/fleet. His mission was to invade the Phillipines and take it from Spain. When the mission was conceived France and Spain were allies in the war against Britain. Before he could leave Penang Spain changed sides and history took a different turn.

On the flipside Raffles of Singapore fame took over Indonesia (key cities) but post the Napoleonic Wars Britain gave it back to the Dutch so Raffles who died almost destitute went and founded Singapore.

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

Philippines is a step down. The people you hear that like the place are the typical expats I meet in many grungy locations who think they are living in paradise for one reason or another.

I like the PI, been all over SEA and China, can't say I've seen one place that wasn't 'grungy'.

It's what Asia does!

 

Compared to the way I would be living now if back in the UK, and was previously living as a middle class white guy, all paradise. 

PI has particularly nice beaches compared to Thailand, and much cheaper alcohol.

Not to mention almost everyone in PI speaks English.

[BritManToo]

19 hours ago, NicoBKK said:

People in Thailand also feel themselves profoundly and proudly Thai - one language, one Kingdom, very old traditions. Filipinos until 1900 did not even have a single language.

Would point out 66% of the Thai population don't speak Central Thai as a first language.

https://www.babbel.com/en/magazine/what-language-is-spoken-in-thailand#:~:text=Thai is the official language,51 of which are indigenous.

[Robert Paulson]

I judge cities on the levels of which I’m extorted 

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, Jackbenimble said:

I have worked with Filipinos for 17 years and nothing you can say in their defence alters the fact that their spelling and grammar is dreadful. 

 

Hartman's law of prescriptivist retaliation, a variation of Muphry's law: "Any article or statement about correct grammar, punctuation, or spelling is bound to contain at least one eror [sic]."

Edited May 14 by BigStar

[wavodavo]

On 5/12/2024 at 9:46 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Why?

It's all a result of the shoe scandal many years ago.

They have not yet recovered from all those shoes.

 

And, the English there is an abomination.

 

Even I speak English better than they.

 

 

Firstly.. The main reason that the Philipines is so backward is Corruption !!. yes there is corruption in Thailand..but they are only amateurs compared to Thailand.It is so obvious you can see it everywhere.

[wavodavo]

Just now, wavodavo said:

Firstly.. The main reason that the Philipines is so backward is Corruption !!. yes there is corruption in Thailand..but they are only amateurs compared to Philipines.It is so obvious you can see it everywhere.Regarding shoes my wife is trying to compete with Imelda Marcos and she is amost there. 

 

[wavodavo]

On 5/12/2024 at 9:46 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Why?

It's all a result of the shoe scandal many years ago.

They have not yet recovered from all those shoes.

 

And, the English there is an abomination.

 

Even I speak English better than they.

 

 

 

[wavodavo]

On 5/12/2024 at 9:46 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Why?

It's all a result of the shoe scandal many years ago.

They have not yet recovered from all those shoes.

 

And, the English there is an abomination.

 

Even I speak English better than they.

 

 

 

[wavodavo]

On 5/12/2024 at 11:21 PM, AreYouGerman said:

Whoever liked Thailand 15 years ago will love the Phillipines.

 

Also, don't forget the other perks the Phillipines has to offer:

 

- Easy Visa for under 50 yo's

- No Taxes for Aliens

- Christianity

- Good Thai food

- More travel options

- Less prostitution

- natural beaches

 

 

[BigBruv]

6 hours ago, cdemundo said:

The Christian story starts with a virgin giving birth and ends with a guy rising from the dead.

Believing that as a child is understandable.

Believing that as a grown adult is inexplicable.

 

 

 

Your 'the science' starts with a big bang from NOTHING.

Believing that as a child is understandable.

Believing that as a grown adult is inexplicable.

[BigBruv]

7 hours ago, JensenZ said:

I wouldn't believe any of this. We have a direct comparison between "Christianity" in the Philippines and Buddhism in Thailand. There's no doubt that Thailand is a safer place to live with far less crime overall. 

 

The misunderstanding comes from thinking that most Filipinos are Christians. They aren't really. Catholicism in the Philippines is a weird mix with animism, the predominant religion before the Spanish arrived. It hasn't gone anywhere. Your average provincial dweller has a strong belief in animal spirits and many claim they talk to them. They never stop talking about "white ladies", lighting candles and praying to spirits.  

 

Thanks - didn't know that Filapinas are also into witchcraft.

Maybe that's why these peoples never develop and their countries stay stuck.

Idk for sure though.

[georgegeorgia]

1 hour ago, wavodavo said:

 

No taxes ? I didn't know that 

 

And ....for the UK pensioners,NO freeze on pensions !

[Ben Zioner]

21 hours ago, AreYouGerman said:

Overpopulation isn't a problem.

I am stunned. You have achieved a milestone.

[AreYouGerman]

2 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

I am stunned. You have achieved a milestone.

 

I am also amazed if I read that other men really believe those hoaxes.

[AreYouGerman]

6 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

No taxes ? I didn't know that 

 

And ....for the UK pensioners,NO freeze on pensions !

 

And probably not even taxed in the UK (if that's a thing) because of DTA!

 

Edited May 14 by AreYouGerman

[AreYouGerman]

12 hours ago, JimTripper said:

Philippines is a step down. The people you hear that like the place are the typical expats I meet in many grungy locations who think they are living in paradise for one reason or another.

 

For me it's a step up for the reason I listed.

[AreYouGerman]

Try that in downtown Chicago or any other major US town and see if you make it out alive.

 

 

 

* Watching this is funny. It looks like it's occupied completely by children throwing 'gang signs' and having the time of their lives. 😅

 

I mean, yeah, sure, poor, but it doesn't look like the children are suffering. And if you grow up as a happy child, being bitter of missing out not being able to buy the latest iphone isn't mandatory.

 

Edited May 14 by AreYouGerman

[georgegeorgia]

Well we don't have statistics on how many Brits ( because of pension reasons are choosing Philippines)

 

 

[BangkokReady]

They were colonised by the Spanish.

[AreYouGerman]

"Phillipines is dangerous."

 

 

[cdemundo]

On 5/14/2024 at 3:15 PM, BigBruv said:

 

Your 'the science' starts with a big bang from NOTHING.

Believing that as a child is understandable.

Believing that as a grown adult is inexplicable.

Sorry no one has explained this to you.

Google "red shift big bang" that should help.,

 

[Kinok Farang]

On 5/12/2024 at 6:46 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Why?

It's all a result of the shoe scandal many years ago.

They have not yet recovered from all those shoes.

 

And, the English there is an abomination.

 

Even I speak English better than they.

 

 

Me to.

[georgegeorgia]

There are 7000 islands in the Philippines.

Choose one ! 

[BigBruv]

6 hours ago, cdemundo said:

Sorry no one has explained this to you.

Google "red shift big bang" that should help.,

 

 

Absolute nonsense but if you wanna believe in that knock yourself out 👍

[cdemundo]

3 hours ago, BigBruv said:

 

Absolute nonsense but if you wanna believe in that knock yourself out 👍

You might enjoy the series "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan.

I think you would learn and enjoy.

[BigBruv]

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

You might enjoy the series "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan.

I think you would learn and enjoy.

 

Everyone has a theory but bottom line is there's no more evidence for the big bang, evolution etc.

than there is for God, garden of eden, virgin birth, coming back from the dead etc.

 

I believe atheism / 'life is meaningless' etc is just a psychological defence mechanism to the concept of hell.

Also easier for elites to control people who have low standards (feed em gambling, sportsball, high fructose corn syrup & porn etc.)

Your meat suit won't last but maybe your consciousness will.

Obvs I can't prove that though.

 

 

[cdemundo]

12 minutes ago, BigBruv said:

 

Everyone has a theory but bottom line is there's no more evidence for the big bang, evolution etc.

than there is for God, garden of eden, virgin birth, coming back from the dead etc.

 

I believe atheism / 'life is meaningless' etc is just a psychological defence mechanism to the concept of hell.

Also easier for elites to control people who have low standards (feed em gambling, sportsball, high fructose corn syrup & porn etc.)

Your meat suit won't last but maybe your consciousness will.

Obvs I can't prove that though.

 

 

"Everyone has a theory but bottom line is there's no more evidence for the big bang, evolution etc.

than there is for God, garden of eden, virgin birth, coming back from the dead etc."

 

Possibly you terminated your education prematurely if you believe this statement to be true.

The Big Bang and evolution are both attested by voluminous evidence, if you are unaware of it that does not mean that it doesn't exist.

Seriously, watch "Cosmos" and you will learn about the evidence and be entertained as well.