UN Cuts Death of Women and Children in Gaza by Half

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

ok brian. 

Cool stoner 😴

[Tropicalevo]

17 hours ago, Social Media said:

The United Nations made a significant adjustment downwards around 50% to the casualty figures for the ongoing conflict in the Gaza Strip, sparking questions and debates about the accuracy of the data and the methods used to gather it.

Hamas terrorists exaggerating and telling lies?

Who would have thought that.

[BangkokReady]

17 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why would you prefer there were more dead, the same as the fake figures before?

 

The figures don't magically make more people dead.  🙄

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3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nobody believes figures presented apart from the UN conveniently forgetting the 14,000 Hamas killed and hundreds of other Gazans killed by their own rockets

What 14,000?

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

The figures don't magically make more people dead.  🙄

I didn't claim to be a magician 

[Bkk Brian]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

What 14,000?

14,000 dead Hamas terrorists, I thought that was clear enough in the post. The clue would have been in the "killed" yes?

 

"14,000 Hamas killed and hundreds of other Gazans killed by their own rockets"

 

Link to that just for you.

 

14,000 Hamas fighters have so far been killed. Israel estimated Gaza to have 30,000 fighters before October 7.

 

[Neeranam]

Does anyone actually believe the Times of Israel on this? 

 

UN denies Gaza death toll of women and children has been revised down

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/gaza-ministry-revises-figures-for-women-and-children-killed

[Neeranam]

How can anyone suggest more that half the deaths being women and children is OK? 

 

, OCHA has recorded 10,006 were Palestinian men, accounting for 40 per cent of the identified fatalities, while 4,959 (20 per cent) were women and 7,797 were children (32 per cent). It also listed 1,924 elderly people among the fatalities, but did not differentiate them by gender.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-women-children-death-toll-1.7203167

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2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

14,000 dead Hamas terrorists, I thought that was clear enough in the post. The clue would have been in the "killed" yes?

 

"14,000 Hamas killed and hundreds of other Gazans killed by their own rockets"

 

Link to that just for you.

 

14,000 Hamas fighters have so far been killed. Israel estimated Gaza to have 30,000 fighters before October 7.

 

Well, if Benjamin Netanyahu says so...

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, if Benjamin Netanyahu says so...

Well it wouldn't be Hamas (they only admitted to 6000 killed back in Feb) and its obviously not the UN so yes that leaves Israel.

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22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well it wouldn't be Hamas (they only admitted to 6000 killed back in Feb) and its obviously not the UN so yes that leaves Israel.

Well for one thing that would mean that virtually all the adult males killed in the war  were Hama soldiers. 

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well for one thing that would mean that virtually all the adult males killed in the war  were Hama soldiers. 

How do you work that one out then? Can you provide links for that claim?

[simple1]

13 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nobody believes figures presented apart from the UN conveniently forgetting the 14,000 Hamas killed and hundreds of other Gazans killed by their own rockets

 

I suggest you have no credible sources to factually back up your claims

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, simple1 said:

 

I suggest you have no credible sources to factually back up your claims

I know you are wrong

[Nick Carter icp]

10 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I suggest you have no credible sources to factually back up your claims

 

   Its been widely reported that Hams killed 500 Palestinian  Children when they accidently bombed their own hospital in a misfiring rocket 

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42 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

How do you work that one out then? Can you provide links for that claim?

 

Israel claims 14,000 Hamas soldiers killed. 

Here are the revised figures:

"The numbers appeared significantly lower, with 7,797 children among those who have been fully identified, along with 4,959 women and 10,006 men. A separate category was also included for the elderly, representing 1,924 people."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-death-toll-ocha-un-confusion-anger-rcna151934

So Israel's number is actually higher than the total number of confirmed male deaths. Higher even if all the elderly were male, which is unlikely, and added in.

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[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

 

Israel claims 14,000 Hamas soldiers killed. 

Here are the revised figures:

"The numbers appeared significantly lower, with 7,797 children among those who have been fully identified, along with 4,959 women and 10,006 men. A separate category was also included for the elderly, representing 1,924 people."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-death-toll-ocha-un-confusion-anger-rcna151934

So Israel's number is actually higher than the total number of confirmed male deaths. Higher even if all the elderly were male, which is unlikely, and added in.

You claimed:

 

51 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well for one thing that would mean that virtually all the adult males killed in the war  were Hama soldiers. 

Your link and maths do not support your claims

 

Latest number is around 35,000 killed according to Hamas and your link. 

 

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1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

You claimed:

 

Your link and maths do not support your claims

 

Latest number is around 35,000 killed according to Hamas and your link. 

 

But Israel cl Hoaims 14000 soldiers have been killed. A far larger number than confirmed deaths of males. Are none or vanishingly few of those males civilians? How does that work?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, placeholder said:

But Israel cl Hoaims 14000 soldiers have been killed. A far larger number than confirmed deaths of males. Are none or vanishingly few of those males civilians? How does that work?

And, how do you know that some of those 14,000 are not in the list that have not been identified yet?

 

You made a claim and again you just can't back it up.

 

“The numbers have not dramatically shifted. The overall tally remains unchanged — 35,000,” OCHA spokesperson Jens Laerke said in emailed comments to NBC News on Monday. “What is new is the level of verification ('full details have been documented') for a subset of 24,686 of those fatalities."

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1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

And, how do you know that some of those 14,000 are not in the list that have not been identified yet?

 

You made a claim and again you just can't back it up.

 

“The numbers have not dramatically shifted. The overall tally remains unchanged — 35,000,” OCHA spokesperson Jens Laerke said in emailed comments to NBC News on Monday. “What is new is the level of verification ('full details have been documented') for a subset of 24,686 of those fatalities."

Only roughly 10,000 male deaths are verified. Yet Israel claims  14,000. Where do Israel's numbers come from? 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Only roughly 10,000 male deaths are verified. Yet Israel claims  14,000. Where do Israel's numbers come from? 

oh dear. 

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

And, how do you know that some of those 14,000 are not in the list that have not been identified yet?

 

You made a claim and again you just can't back it up.

 

“The numbers have not dramatically shifted. The overall tally remains unchanged — 35,000,” OCHA spokesperson Jens Laerke said in emailed comments to NBC News on Monday. “What is new is the level of verification ('full details have been documented') for a subset of 24,686 of those fatalities."

 

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2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

oh dear. 

 

To clarify further. If the unidentified dead numbers  break down the way the unidentified have, that would leave room for a very few adult male civilian deaths. That is extremely unlikely.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, placeholder said:

To clarify further. If the unidentified dead numbers  break down the way the unidentified have, that would leave room for a very few adult male civilian deaths. That is extremely unlikely.

getting the old crystal ball out again to try and justify your claim

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Just now, Bkk Brian said:

getting the old crystal ball out again to try and justify your claim

Clearly probability and statistics play no part in your thinking.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, placeholder said:

Clearly probability and statistics play no part in your thinking.

Ah and once finished with predictions go onto slurs of my thinking.............

[Bkk Brian]

Always trust Hamas and the UN.

 

Gunmen, likely #Hamas terrorists, hanging out at an @UNRWA warehouse in eastern #Rafah a few days ago and identified by an @IDF drone. The @UN needs to answer some serious questions. Imagine what would’ve happened if we were to target them? The hypocrisy is astounding.

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Only roughly 10,000 male deaths are verified. Yet Israel claims  14,000. Where do Israel's numbers come from? 

Are none of the "children" male? 

 

Are none of the "children" combatants? 

 

Are none of the women combatants? 

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Always trust Hamas and the UN.

 

Gunmen, likely #Hamas terrorists, hanging out at an @UNRWA warehouse in eastern #Rafah a few days ago and identified by an @IDF drone. The @UN needs to answer some serious questions. Imagine what would’ve happened if we were to target them? The hypocrisy is astounding.

 

 

 

Didn't Israel target them last month 

https://www.dw.com/en/seven-foreign-aid-workers-killed-in-gaza-airstrike/a-68715701

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Didn't Israel target them last month 

https://www.dw.com/en/seven-foreign-aid-workers-killed-in-gaza-airstrike/a-68715701

Hasn't that been covered in a separate topic when it actually happened?

 

Israel-Gaza: Inside IDF's detailed briefing on aid convoy attack

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324273-israel-gaza-inside-idfs-detailed-briefing-on-aid-convoy-attack/

 

 

I appreciate you'd rather gloss over this:

 

What were terrorists doing INSIDE an UNRWA logistics compound and alongside UN vehicles? 

The UNRWA's logistics warehouse compound in eastern Rafah, is a central point for UNRWA's aid distribution in Gaza.

Terrorists are seen armed inside the compound, alongside UN vehicles and shooting civilians right outside.

 

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hasn't that been covered in a separate topic when it actually happened?

 

Israel-Gaza: Inside IDF's detailed briefing on aid convoy attack

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324273-israel-gaza-inside-idfs-detailed-briefing-on-aid-convoy-attack/

 

 

I appreciate you'd rather gloss over this:

 

What were terrorists doing INSIDE an UNRWA logistics compound and alongside UN vehicles? 

The UNRWA's logistics warehouse compound in eastern Rafah, is a central point for UNRWA's aid distribution in Gaza.

Terrorists are seen armed inside the compound, alongside UN vehicles and shooting civilians right outside.

 

Some relief groups hire armed guards, aid officials said, often plain-clothed men who brandish guns or large sticks to beat back hungry Palestinians trying to snatch supplies.

The World Central Kitchen sometimes uses armed guards, the employee said, though it was not clear if they had been employed for the April 1 convoy.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/drone-sights-and-gunmen-on-trucks-how-a-gaza-aid-convoy-turned-into-a-tragedy/

Its more than likely that these food storage centres would be ransacked without armed guards