8 hours ago, stoner said:

 

 

 

covid is a nothing burger now. 

And THAT is the problem I and others, have with people like you.

Most of you accept that the virus mutates and even accept that the different mutations have slightly different symptoms and transmission ability but seem to have convinced yourself that it can never harm you 🤦🏼‍♂️

A couple of key mutations might just flip your nothing burger and make it very interesting for you and the rest of us to chew…

 

 

1 hour ago, HighPriority said:

And THAT is the problem I and others, have with people like you.

Most of you accept that the virus mutates and even accept that the different mutations have slightly different symptoms and transmission ability but seem to have convinced yourself that it can never harm you 🤦🏼‍♂️

A couple of key mutations might just flip your nothing burger and make it very interesting for you and the rest of us to chew…

 

 

 

i have never said it cannot harm me. my main point that i am always going on is that it is nothing compared to what it was before. then when compared to so many other things that can kill you. it really is a nothing burger now. 

 

yes i know people are getting sick. being admitted to hospital. dying. they are also doing that from so many other things in greater numbers now.

 

why no lockdowns or mask mandate in thailand for the ongoing and only getting worse pm2.5 issue ? a far greater threat than covid and has killed so many more than covid ever will.  

It's not over.

But a lot of ignorants out there😕

5 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

It's not over.

But a lot of ignorants out there😕

Oh it’s over. There’s no coming back from this. I won’t even go into the half of it but you had people masking and locking down and shooting themselves up and asking daddy to give them more. Even shaming their fellow citizens. It’s over for sure. 

12 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Not all companies have governments and mass media advertising their product and not only advertising but demonising those who don't want the product and even forcing people to take the product. If anything this sounds more along communist or authoritarian lines.

Naaaaah, you just have a thing about companies making money out of medicine, in this case a medicine Governments ASKED for to stop the worldwide death toll.

 

To my mind, they did their best and saved lives, which is fact...

 

Are you envious that companies make money to spend on NEW medicine, or are you envious of them...?  🤔

47 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

Oh it’s over. There’s no coming back from this. I won’t even go into the half of it but you had people masking and locking down and shooting themselves up and asking daddy to give them more. Even shaming their fellow citizens. It’s over for sure. 

As I said: There a lot of ignorants denying COVID, denying effectiveness of vaccines, denying to be cautious. Same people still think the earth is flat.🙏

3 hours ago, stoner said:

 

i have never said it cannot harm me. my main point that i am always going on is that it is nothing compared to what it was before. then when compared to so many other things that can kill you. it really is a nothing burger now. 

 

yes i know people are getting sick. being admitted to hospital. dying. they are also doing that from so many other things in greater numbers now.

 

why no lockdowns or mask mandate in thailand for the ongoing and only getting worse pm2.5 issue ? a far greater threat than covid and has killed so many more than covid ever will.  

Same reason very little is being done about climate change and our ongoing destruction of this planet. 
vested interests deny climate change, they deny Covid. 

26 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

Same reason very little is being done about climate change and our ongoing destruction of this planet. 
vested interests deny climate change, they deny Covid. 

 

in canada everyone seems to care a lot about the environment and climate change.....while all driving single in a pick up or suv. using products mostly made half way around the world. spending huge money on fancy recycling boxes and updating their profile for the latest cause. 

 

It's funny.  With statics like this regarding 1 week of road accidents on Thai roads we never hear about "the pressure of Thai road accidents on the healthcare system" or "burnout and fatigue of healthcare workers" or a "lack of hospital beds" due to the 225 deaths and 13,834 injuries in only one week.  The Covid stats pale by comparison with 1880 hospitalization and 11 deaths.  Yet we are constantly told about the enormous negative effect of Covid on the healthcare system and yet?  Not as much as a peep about the actual massive numbers of road deaths and injuries and THEIR extremely negative impact on the hospital system.

Why?

Injuries and deaths on Thai roads are truly of "pandemic proportions"; hospitalized Covid cases and death are not.
Why are road injuries and deaths acceptable and given a nod as "normal," but a fraction of Covid cases leading to hospitalization and deaths are considered a "pandemic" and a public health emergency? 

That's a valid question as a true ongoing public healthcare emergency (injuries and fatalities on Thai roads) is deliberately overlooked, glossed-over, and dismissed as "normal," and then endemic cases of a flu-like illness with a fraction of the deaths and hospitalizations are deliberately hyped as "an emergency" and promoted online to invoke a fear response within the Thai public. 

Anyone with the ability to logically think and analyze can see through this nonsense.  And it is "non" - "sense."  It makes no sense.  The over-reaction in the case of Covid and the under-reaction in the case of road accidents is absurd. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, transam said:

Naaaaah, you just have a thing about companies making money out of medicine, in this case a medicine Governments ASKED for to stop the worldwide death toll.

 

To my mind, they did their best and saved lives, which is fact...

 

Are you envious that companies make money to spend on NEW medicine, or are you envious of them...?  🤔

 

They make billions. Should they pay for injuries caused by their products?

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

They make billions. Should they pay for injuries caused by their products?

No, the World's Governments ASKED for a quick fix to stop the pandemic deaths, and I am sure there will be small print included in anything the pharma companies wanted to protect themselves against the non-long term tested fix.....🤗

Only sensible, I would have thought..........😉

 

Plus, I thank them for taking care of this ol' fella............

11 minutes ago, transam said:

No, the World's Governments ASKED for a quick fix to stop the pandemic deaths, and I am sure there will be small print included in anything the pharma companies wanted to protect themselves against the non-long term tested fix.....🤗

Only sensible, I would have thought..........😉

 

Plus, I thank them for taking care of this ol' fella............

 

Your message just about sums up how screwed up modern societies are.

Privatisation of profits, socialisation of losses… with the thankful consent of the ordinary folk who ask for more.

 

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

As I said: There a lot of ignorants denying COVID, denying effectiveness of vaccines, denying to be cautious. Same people still think the earth is flat.🙏

like Astra Zeneca? just been pulled off the shelves worldwide after 'clotting' issues, some warned about that years ago and got attacked for it and labelled as conspiracy nutters. pfizer 'effectiveness' dropped from 90% to below 50%, but yeah, you keep getting your boosters if you are worried, leave the others out of it.

ignorants dying...yeah ok then.

9 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

like Astra Zeneca? just been pulled off the shelves worldwide after 'clotting' issues, some warned about that years ago and got attacked for it and labelled as conspiracy nutters. pfizer 'effectiveness' dropped from 90% to below 50%, but yeah, you keep getting your boosters if you are worried, leave the others out of it.

ignorants dying...yeah ok then.

Good luck and long life🙏

22 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Your message just about sums up how screwed up modern societies are.

Privatisation of profits, socialisation of losses… with the thankful consent of the ordinary folk who ask for more.

 

Sounds like you need a Communist country to look after you...... 

But sadly for you, even those are now looking to make profits.....😂

12 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

like Astra Zeneca? just been pulled off the shelves worldwide after 'clotting' issues, some warned about that years ago and got attacked for it and labelled as conspiracy nutters. pfizer 'effectiveness' dropped from 90% to below 50%, but yeah, you keep getting your boosters if you are worried, leave the others out of it.

ignorants dying...yeah ok then.

 

Indeed, this alone should encourage people to rethink their interpretative framework and question their trusted sources.

March 2021:
There is no evidence the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine causes blood clots, say UK and EU regulators after a "thorough and careful review".
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56447367

May 2024:
AstraZeneca withdraws Covid vaccine worldwide after admitting it can cause rare blood clots
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-withdraw-blood-clots-b2541291.html

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Sounds like you need a Communist country to look after you...... 

But sadly for you, even those are now looking to make profits.....😂

 

I look after myself.

The alternative to ultraliberalism is not necessarily communism, I encourage you to take a step back from such simplistic dichotomies.

18 minutes ago, transam said:

You look after yourself, don't take any Pharma products then.....

Good luck with that....😂

You can advise as much as you like, but I don't take any notice of fruitcakes....😋

 

Your insights are duly noted.

On 5/13/2024 at 1:59 PM, milesinnz said:

I think there should be free choice to vaccinate or not.. but those who do not get vaccinated need to sign an indemnity form that should they get sick with Covid, they will stay at home until they are "better"..

 

you still in lala land that being vaccinate stop you from spreading it ?

The COVID vaccines were never approved on the basis of their ability to stop transmission of COVID, even though they largely did in the early going. That wasn't even one of the approval criteria.

 

They were approved on the basis of them reducing the risk of people getting sick from and dying from COVID, which they've done extraordinarily well.

Fact Check: Preventing transmission never required for COVID vaccines’ initial approval; Pfizer vax did reduce transmission of early variants

By Reuters Fact Check

February 13, 2024

 

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/preventing-transmission-never-required-covid-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/

 

 

 

Edited May 14, 20242 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

23 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

Believe this or not, critical thinking people can figure this stuff out before others. Did you miss the first rounds of covid? 

 

 It seems labeling someone an "anti vaxxer" is really just saying "critical thinker" 

 

Do these finger pointing people saying "anti vaxxer" not realize that nearly 100% of the population in the western world has had their childhood vaccines and are not anti vaxxer.  Perhaps anti vaxxers should be called " critical thinkers who don't trust mrna therapies".   However, they  do trust and have used tried and true "vaccines"...

Edited May 14, 20242 yr by stats
unsourced and misinformation claims removed

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

like Astra Zeneca? just been pulled off the shelves worldwide after 'clotting' issues, some warned about that years ago and got attacked for it and labelled as conspiracy nutters. pfizer 'effectiveness' dropped from 90% to below 50%, but yeah, you keep getting your boosters if you are worried, leave the others out of it.

ignorants dying...yeah ok then.

 

As I recall the very rare issue of Astra Zeneca blood clots was recognized very early on, especially with young people.However the overwhelming evidence was that AZ did its job for the vast majority of people.There needs to be some understanding of statistics.Car safety belts in a small number of accidents can cause death or injury - but in the vast majority of cases they save lives.Same with AZ. Subsequently better vaccines were produced but AZ in its time saved lives and saved many others from serious illness.

22 minutes ago, dhupverg said:

 

Do these finger pointing people saying "anti vaxxer" not realize that nearly 100% of the population in the western world has had their childhood vaccines and are not anti vaxxer. 

 

Ya, except for this 30% of U.S. parents who now lean anti-vaxer (or at least vaccine-skeptic) overall!

 

 

 

Survey: Trust in vaccines declines among teenagers, parents

May 09, 2024

 

"The authors found that in 2023, 70% of parents and 56% of teenagers felt that it was important teens receive all recommended vaccines to stay healthy. This was a decline from 85% of parents and 82% of teenagers in June 2021."

 

https://www.healio.com/news/pediatrics/20240509/survey-trust-in-vaccines-declines-among-teenagers-parents

 

 

2 hours ago, john donson said:

 

you still in lala land that being vaccinate stop you from spreading it ?

you really don't "get it"... I am saying people should make their own choices, but then stand by the results of their own choices.. seems you want to push your view onto everyone.. and that makes you the fraud...

Posts with unsourced and unsubstantiated claims have been removed.

 

Further posts with trolling, unsourced/unsubstantiated or off-topic claims likewise will be removed.

 

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Ya, except for this 30% of U.S. parents who now lean anti-vaxer (or at least vaccine-skeptic) overall!

 

 

 

Survey: Trust in vaccines declines among teenagers, parents

May 09, 2024

 

"The authors found that in 2023, 70% of parents and 56% of teenagers felt that it was important teens receive all recommended vaccines to stay healthy. This was a decline from 85% of parents and 82% of teenagers in June 2021."

 

https://www.healio.com/news/pediatrics/20240509/survey-trust-in-vaccines-declines-among-teenagers-parents

 

 

 

An encouraging graphic. People aren't that dumb and are able to connect dots.

7 hours ago, connda said:

It's funny.  With statics like this regarding 1 week of road accidents on Thai roads we never hear about "the pressure of Thai road accidents on the healthcare system" or "burnout and fatigue of healthcare workers" or a "lack of hospital beds" due to the 225 deaths and 13,834 injuries in only one week.  The Covid stats pale by comparison with 1880 hospitalization and 11 deaths.  Yet we are constantly told about the enormous negative effect of Covid on the healthcare system and yet?  Not as much as a peep about the actual massive numbers of road deaths and injuries and THEIR extremely negative impact on the hospital system.

Why?

Injuries and deaths on Thai roads are truly of "pandemic proportions"; hospitalized Covid cases and death are not.
Why are road injuries and deaths acceptable and given a nod as "normal," but a fraction of Covid cases leading to hospitalization and deaths are considered a "pandemic" and a public health emergency? 

That's a valid question as a true ongoing public healthcare emergency (injuries and fatalities on Thai roads) is deliberately overlooked, glossed-over, and dismissed as "normal," and then endemic cases of a flu-like illness with a fraction of the deaths and hospitalizations are deliberately hyped as "an emergency" and promoted online to invoke a fear response within the Thai public. 

Anyone with the ability to logically think and analyze can see through this nonsense.  And it is "non" - "sense."  It makes no sense.  The over-reaction in the case of Covid and the under-reaction in the case of road accidents is absurd. 

 

 

Really not sure where to start…

It is not either/or.

Yes, I agree the Thai road toll is too high.

Yes, I agree the Thai health system, like every other health system in the world is under funded and understaffed.

 

By your own claim you agree with the above but now there are another almost 1900 people in hospital with many in ICU on ventilators.

ICU nurses are not general nurses, they are the “elite” nurses.

Every patient they care for requires changing PPE.

I’d guess a fair percentage of your road accident deaths are dead before they get to hospital, so don’t place much of a strain on the nursing staff, unlike someone on a ventilator for a week or two…

Its not that Covid is “especially evil” it’s more the point that some of it’s variations can be extremely transmissible and community spread can be exponential and THAT can quickly overwhelm the health system when added to the already thresholded system.

 

Read back to the morbidity levels of the original Covid strain, it was high, very high.

We’ve been lucky that the variants with higher transmability have had lower morbidity but if the two turn together we will be in deep do do.

Which is why we needed to vaccinate and mask, every transmission carry’s the risk of mutation and the “wrong” mutation takes us back to the big pile of do do I mentioned earlier.

Yah, those people are EXACTLY that dumb, swimming in an ocean of misinfo rubbish. And people died because of it. Kudos to the "I did my own research" crowd.

Behavioural interventions to reduce vaccine hesitancy driven by misinformation on social media

BMJ - Published 16 January 2024)

 

"Anti-vaccine campaigns proliferated during the covid-19 pandemic15 with undeniable effects including substantial increases in covid related illness and death.151617 [emphasis added] Even before March 2020, vaccine hesitancy was directly linked to misinformation (false, inaccurate information promoted as factual) spread on social media.18 Once covid-19 reached pandemic status, social media was acknowledged as the epicentre of misinformation leading to hesitancy,1920 and consequently, interventions to tackle hesitancy have globally focused on delivery through social media.2122

 

Despite unprecedented levels of vaccine access and nearly real time communication on the development and availability of vaccines in 2020-21, public health officials struggled to keep pace with misleading or inaccurate content online.23 As guidelines shifted with the emergence of new information, policy decisions were often perceived by individuals and groups who are prone to distrust or refute government messaging as a response not to evidence but to mistakes or lack of expertise."

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj-2023-076542

 

Competing interests: All authors confirm that they have no conflicts or competing interests in contributing to this manuscript.

 

 

Edited May 14, 20242 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

I guess there was no way for Astra Zeneca to know that the vaccine was going to cause people harm? 

 

But 24 studies said this would never happen again……

4 minutes ago, Startmeup said:

I guess there was no way for Astra Zeneca to know that the vaccine was going to cause people harm? 

 

But 24 studies said this would never happen again……

 

Indeed. Or this example:

The two sides of AstraZeneca’s vaccine ‘miracle’

Fit and healthy before the jab, the 47-year-old father-of-two has suffered a permanent brain injury that prevents him from working.
[...]
It’s a legal mess made more complicated because the Government indemnified AstraZeneca and other Covid vaccine-makers ahead of the mass rollout that began to much fanfare in December 2020. In other words, though AstraZeneca is one of the UK’s wealthiest businesses (it generated revenue of £37bn in 2023) it will be the British taxpayer that will foot any legal bills and damages should Mr Scott and 50 other claimants win their class action suit against the company.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/30/astrazeneca-vaccine-jamie-scott-class-action-side-effects/