Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Gweiloman said:

I wonder how long it would take for them to return in body bags.

 

Nevetheless, all these desperate actions just speak to the fact that Ukraine is running out of men. Poor Ukraine.

I bet you do. Quite the vile sort of speculative comment that is expected from you.

[Gweiloman]

26 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I bet you do. Quite the vile sort of speculative comment that is expected from you.

I see you celebrate the deaths of Russians though.
 

War is not child’s play. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. 

Edited May 28 by Gweiloman

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Gweiloman said:

War is not child’s play. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. 

Who can't stand the heat? Yet another speculative comment

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

I see you celebrate the deaths of Russians though.
 

War is not child’s play. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. 

Russia made an unprovoked attack on Ukraine.

[transam]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

I see you celebrate the deaths of Russians though.
 

War is not child’s play. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. 

Surprised you are not over there doing your bit for the Russians, why is that.........?  🤔

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

I see you celebrate the deaths of Russians though.
 

War is not child’s play. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. 

I want to speak to that.

I don't celebrate the deaths of any soldiers per se but in the harsh reality of a war situation when the Ukrainian defenders take over 1000 Russian army terrorists off the field of battle every day I am happy to see that as a sign Ukraine has a chance to win.

Fascist dictator Putin doesn’t even care about the lives of his own meat grinder terrorist soldiers (mostly poor, minorities, and from remote province) so to him Ukrainian civilians are less than nothing.

Edited May 28 by Jingthing

[Gweiloman]

51 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I want to speak to that.

I don't celebrate the deaths of any soldiers per se but in the harsh reality of a war situation when the Ukrainian defenders take over 1000 Russian army terrorists off the field of battle every day I am happy to see that as a sign Ukraine has a chance to win.

Fascist dictator Putin doesn’t even care about the lives of his own meat grinder terrorist soldiers (mostly poor, minorities, and from remote province) so to him Ukrainian civilians are less than nothing.

Well, in that case, the west has nothing to worry about as Russia will i)run out of fighting man very soon ii)have a regime change iii)go bankrupt Iv)be reduced to tatters and rubble etc etc (take your pick) and Ukraine shall be victorious. 
 

And yet, all actions being taken and words spoken seem to indicate the contrary. Is someone telling porky pies? Or are some posters just delusional? Time will tell.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Well, in that case, the west has nothing to worry about as Russia will i)run out of fighting man very soon ii)have a regime change iii)go bankrupt Iv)be reduced to tatters and rubble etc etc (take your pick) and Ukraine shall be victorious. 
 

And yet, all actions being taken and words spoken seem to indicate the contrary. Is someone telling porky pies? Or are some posters just delusional? Time will tell.

You tell us, you are the fly or slug on the Russian wall ............

[Bkk Brian]

The original footage of this is actually from about a week ago, taken by a Russian cosmonaut. No doubt nervous so keeping a check to see if the Crimea  bridge is still there 

 

You can view the youtube version from his channel here https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2ibmJt-B2rY

 

 

[Mavideol]

Russia’s most modern battle tank hit by ‘disco head’ glitch

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-most-modern-battle-tank-151050676.html

[Mavideol]

Ukraine-Russia news – live: Belgium pledges dozens of F-16 fighter jets as Putin’s troops ‘massing on border’

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-latest-putin-035046932.html

[Danderman123]

I am skeptical of the numbers Ukraine provides in its daily reports. I doubt very much that Russia has incurred 500,000 killed, wounded or captured. It's normal for countries in wars to inflate numbers for propaganda purposes.

 

My prediction is, if Russia continues to advance, that the reported number of casualties will increase.

[Danderman123]

50,000+ Russian soldiers have been verified killed by Russian media (burial announcements and the like).

 

The official Ukrainian figure of 500,000 includes killed, wounded and captured. 

 

There probably are no more than 100,000 dead Russian soldiers, but I have no idea how Ukraine counts wounded Russian soldiers.

[beautifulthailand99]

Saying the quiet part out loud.

 

Zelensky’s team appear concerned that, as attention on both sides of the Atlantic turns to domestic elections and leaders are forced to pick between foreign and domestic priorities, Ukraine’s fight against Putin will fall by the wayside. He has good reason to think so. Despite Zelensky’s appeals, it appears that Biden is likely to skip his planned peace summit, apparently preferring to attend a fundraiser in California with celebrities including George Clooney and Julia Roberts.

Speaking yesterday, Zelensky condemned Biden’s reported plan to skip it, saying “[His] absence would only be met with applause by Putin.” But while these words would once have held weight, they now look likely to be shrugged off.

 

https://archive.ph/NsrtF

 

Edited May 29 by beautifulthailand99

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Saying the quiet part out loud.

 

https://archive.ph/NsrtF

A journalists opinion, how credible, we all need to take note

[beautifulthailand99]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

A journalists opinion, how credible, we all need to take note

In the very pro Ukraine anti-Putin Daily Telegraph.  This article evidences Ukraine’s problem - a shortage of manpower. They had to move forces from the East to stop the Russian advance in the North. No amount of drones, pick up trucks, money or peace conferences will make up for that. The so called peace conference will be Zelensky pleading to those stupid enough to turn up without Russia, for more cash. Time to realise the situation on the ground and try to salvage a deal before a total collapse occurs.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

In the very pro Ukraine anti-Putin Daily Telegraph.  This article evidences Ukraine’s problem - a shortage of manpower. They had to move forces from the East to stop the Russian advance in the North. No amount of drones, pick up trucks, money or peace conferences will make up for that. The so called peace conference will be Zelensky pleading to those stupid enough to turn up without Russia, for more cash. Time to realise the situation on the ground and try to salvage a deal before a total collapse occurs.

Its an opinion piece. This is not:

 

Sweden announced a new military aid package to strengthen Ukraine’s air defense. It's the largest package from Sweden, valued at €1.16 billion.

The package includes ASC 890 Airborne Surveillance and Control aircraft, as well as AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles. Sweden will also donate its entire stock of PBV 302 armored tracked personnel carriers and surplus tank vehicles from the armed forces. 

We express our deep gratitude to our Swedish partners for their unwavering support! Your support is crucial for Ukraine's fight for freedom.

[beautifulthailand99]

Either Putin has taken over the Telegraph or a stark reality is being reflected in western media and a new narrative is being created. The US  has no longer the appetite or cause to trouble itself too much with European problems. It wants to move onto China which this conflict has strengthened the Russo-Sino alliance immeasurably and brought Chinese influence to the borders of Europe. My monies on Zelenskiy being forced into a peace settlement which he won't like or he is removed so that so one is in place who will. Just a hunch.

 

https://archive.ph/3sfmW

 

[beautifulthailand99]

49 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its an opinion piece. This is not:

 

Sweden announced a new military aid package to strengthen Ukraine’s air defense. It's the largest package from Sweden, valued at €1.16 billion.

The package includes ASC 890 Airborne Surveillance and Control aircraft, as well as AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles. Sweden will also donate its entire stock of PBV 302 armored tracked personnel carriers and surplus tank vehicles from the armed forces. 

We express our deep gratitude to our Swedish partners for their unwavering support! Your support is crucial for Ukraine's fight for freedom.

They are in NATO now. They have to clear out their old junk to fill everything with shiny brand new NATO compliant kit - them's the rules.

[Bkk Brian]

15 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

They are in NATO now. They have to clear out their old junk to fill everything with shiny brand new NATO compliant kit - them's the rules.

No they have no obligation to clear out surplus equipment. More nonsense

[beautifulthailand99]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No they have no obligation to clear out surplus equipment. More nonsense

While there's no strict timeline for acquiring NATO-compliant equipment upon joining the alliance, new members are expected to work towards interoperability with other NATO forces. This means gradually aligning their military equipment, procedures, and training with NATO standards.

 

Several factors influence the pace of this transition:

 

    Existing equipment: If a new member already has some equipment compatible with NATO standards, the process can be faster.
    Financial resources: Acquiring new equipment can be costly, so the transition might be gradual depending on the country's budget.
    Industrial capacity: Domestic defense industries might need time to adapt and produce NATO-compliant equipment.

 

NATO provides support and guidance to new members throughout this process, including assistance with defense planning, training, and exercises. The goal is to ensure that all members can effectively contribute to collective defense and participate in NATO operations.

 

For further information, you can consult the following resources:

    NATO website - Enlargement and Article 10: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49212.htm
    10 things you need to know about NATO: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/126169.htm

 

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

While there's no strict timeline for acquiring NATO-compliant equipment upon joining the alliance, new members are expected to work towards interoperability with other NATO forces. This means gradually aligning their military equipment, procedures, and training with NATO standards.

 

Several factors influence the pace of this transition:

 

    Existing equipment: If a new member already has some equipment compatible with NATO standards, the process can be faster.
    Financial resources: Acquiring new equipment can be costly, so the transition might be gradual depending on the country's budget.
    Industrial capacity: Domestic defense industries might need time to adapt and produce NATO-compliant equipment.

 

NATO provides support and guidance to new members throughout this process, including assistance with defense planning, training, and exercises. The goal is to ensure that all members can effectively contribute to collective defense and participate in NATO operations.

 

For further information, you can consult the following resources:

    NATO website - Enlargement and Article 10: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49212.htm
    10 things you need to know about NATO: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/126169.htm

 

That's got nothing to do with any surplus equipment that could still be used by them if they wished. They have not, they've decided to donate it to Ukraine. Its Sweden's largest military aid package for Ukraine since the beginning of Russia's unprovoked invasion. Much of the aid is also in cash which is never surplus as much as you'd like it to be.

 

Still more:

 

"The Swedish Defence Research Agency will also be tasked with supporting Ukraine in establishing its own defence research institute."

 

[beautifulthailand99]

12 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

50,000+ Russian soldiers have been verified killed by Russian media (burial announcements and the like).

 

The official Ukrainian figure of 500,000 includes killed, wounded and captured. 

 

There probably are no more than 100,000 dead Russian soldiers, but I have no idea how Ukraine counts wounded Russian soldiers.

I would say that's about right - Mediazona which works with the BBC - trawling all public records in Russia and other methods with meticlulous methodical approach is saying 85k so rounding up 100k is probably about it. Ukrainian goverment are saying over half a million which is so far from that I would question any of the figures they put out about loses whether personel or equipment. The number of Ukrainians is like to be the same the NYT last August - qouted below suggested a figure.The severely disabled is probaly 3 times that.  However, it's estimated that in modern conflicts, the ratio of KIA to severely disabled is around 1:3. This means for every soldier killed, approximately three are severely wounded or disabled.

 

The population of Russia is roughly 3.5 times larger than the population of Ukraine - they simply can't win a war of attrition just maximise the death and suffering on both sides, probably in the end for the same result.

 

https://en.zona.media/article/2024/02/24/75k

 

https://war.ukraine.ua/faq/what-are-the-russian-death-toll-and-other-losses-in-ukraine/

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/18/us/politics/ukraine-russia-war-casualties.html

 

While several U.S. officials and one former senior Ukrainian official said about 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers had died in the conflict so far, other American officials said the number could be lower.

[rabas]

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Either Putin has taken over the Telegraph or a stark reality is being reflected in western media and a new narrative is being created. The US  has no longer the appetite or cause to trouble itself too much with European problems. It wants to move onto China which this conflict has strengthened the Russo-Sino alliance immeasurably and brought Chinese influence to the borders of Europe. My monies on Zelenskiy being forced into a peace settlement which he won't like or he is removed so that so one is in place who will. Just a hunch.

 

https://archive.ph/3sfmW

 

Either Putin has taken over the Telegraph or a stark reality is being reflected in western media  the Telegraph ...

 

concerned readers though you may like to know!

 

Wiki: Daily Telegraph:  In July 2014, the Daily Telegraph was criticised for carrying links on its website to pro-Kremlin articles supplied by a Russian state-funded publication... [Russian state funded ... Putin!]

 

As of 2014, the paper was paid £900,000 a year to include the supplement 'Russia Beyond the Headlines', a publication sponsored by the Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the Russian government's official newspaper. [Russian gov ...  Putin!]

 

The new European 15Mar2022:  Telegraph puts Russian propaganda out of site  "In true Putin style, the Daily Telegraph has removed all trace of Russia Beyond – the Russian propaganda supplements it used to publish for vast amounts of roubles – from its website" 

 

Propaganda often has a half truth twist.   "Either Putin has taken over the Telegraph or ..."

 

[Seppius]

Ukraine won't lose

 

The west will not let them, they have invested too much now to throw it all away, the security of many small nations around Russia depending on it

 

Many countries now saying you can hit Russia with our weapons, F16s coming very soon, plus maybe French and Polish troops will be on the ground behind the lines soon, freeing up more Ukrainians to the front

[beautifulthailand99]

6 minutes ago, rabas said:

What?  You didn't read about the yearly £900,000 fee to include the supplement Russia Beyond the Headlines,?

 

And, 15 Mar 2022 is after the start of the war, as I'm sure you know.

 

You wouldn't be ignoring critical facts would you? Say it ain't true.

 

Let's not go down the rabbit hole of who in Europe supported Russia - most goverments and a huge amount of businesses did back then. Ukarine's best buddy Boris mad his KGB son's mate Lebedev a meber of the House of Lords a position he still holds.  Who is conning who here ? Asking for friend.

[Rimmer]

Off topic post and reply removed

[beautifulthailand99]

22 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Ukraine won't lose

 

The west will not let them, they have invested too much now to throw it all away, the security of many small nations around Russia depending on it

 

Many countries now saying you can hit Russia with our weapons, F16s coming very soon, plus maybe French and Polish troops will be on the ground behind the lines soon, freeing up more Ukrainians to the front

Nor will China who has taken up the slack in supplying vital tech and equipment and mutually supportative markets. They know if Russia was to lose it's their turn next. Deadlock or not just ask  Nguyễn Văn Thiệu who was besties with the US until he wasn't. Died in Boston in 2001.

Edited May 29 by beautifulthailand99

[Jingthing]

23 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Ukraine won't lose

 

The west will not let them, they have invested too much now to throw it all away, the security of many small nations around Russia depending on it

 

Many countries now saying you can hit Russia with our weapons, F16s coming very soon, plus maybe French and Polish troops will be on the ground behind the lines soon, freeing up more Ukrainians to the front

The trend is improving as far as the west finally waking up to how vital defeating Russia is but I'm not feeling total commitment yet and if maga fascist Putn adjacent Trump comes to power again, everything changes.

[rabas]

28 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I would say that's about right - Mediazona which works with the BBC - trawling all public records in Russia and other methods with meticlulous methodical approach is saying 85k so rounding up 100k is probably about it. Ukrainian goverment are saying over half a million which is so far from that I would question any of the figures they put out about loses whether personel or equipment. The number of Ukrainians is like to be the same the NYT last August - qouted below suggested a figure.The severely disabled is probaly 3 times that.  However, it's estimated that in modern conflicts, the ratio of KIA to severely disabled is around 1:3. This means for every soldier killed, approximately three are severely wounded or disabled.

 

The population of Russia is roughly 3.5 times larger than the population of Ukraine - they simply can't win a war of attrition just maximise the death and suffering on both sides, probably in the end for the same result.

 

https://en.zona.media/article/2024/02/24/75k

 

https://war.ukraine.ua/faq/what-are-the-russian-death-toll-and-other-losses-in-ukraine/

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/18/us/politics/ukraine-russia-war-casualties.html

 

While several U.S. officials and one former senior Ukrainian official said about 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers had died in the conflict so far, other American officials said the number could be lower.

 

Lets clean this up, too. https://en.zona.media/article/2024/02/24/75k

 

Mediazona and Meduza's work is very good BUT different in several ways.

1) figures are as of end 2023 

2) M&M method does not include the last 2 months in that range (their words)

3) M&M only count confirmed registered Russian dead, skipping large numbers and categories. 

4) M&M only counts dead. Ukraine counts dead, wounded, captured, missing, vaporized. 

5) Ukraine's is an estimate of all that.

 

So when all facts are considered  M&M and Ukraine are in quite reasonable agreement.