Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The post didn't say Russia was, "threatening the west with it's war in Ukraine," it just said they were making threats [to the west].

 

And if you've blinked and missed those threats, you must have been blinking an awful lot.

 

Here's just a smattering of them (and there's plenty more where these came from).

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/06/russia-to-hold-battlefield-nuclear-drills-after-macron-and-cameron-comments

 

Russia threatens UK military

 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/russian-embassy-in-stockholm-threatens-sweden-finland-over-nato-accession/

 

Russian Embassy in Stockholm threatens Sweden, Finland

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/29/russia-condemns-nato-invitation-finland-sweden

 

Putin issues fresh warning to Finland and Sweden

 

https://news.err.ee/1609332807/russia-blames-and-threatens-baltics

 

Russia blames and threatens Baltics

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn44r9zjnpjo

 

Putin warns Russia could provide weapons to strike West

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you take everything so seriously? It was a figure of speech.

 

BTW this is just a forum for our opinions, not the word of God above. Jai yen.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, jas007 said:

And where is the President of the United States?  

Probably getting a rush program of boosters so he can look normal next time his handlers trot him out to read a speech they wrote for him. I suspect that whomever is in control of the W H it ain't Biden.

 

I assume that Biden had to approve sending a guided missile sub to the M E, which is a massive provocation, and is probably increasing the chances of a real ME war, so he should be in the W H ready to assume command in the event that it does kick off.

[TedG]

9 hours ago, jas007 said:

 

Perhaps the USA should rethink its foreign policy.  It’s no longer 1960 and Khrushchev didn’t just bang his shoe on the table at the UN. The world has changed.  America and the influence of the West has faded.  American exceptionalism? Just a slogan. We now live in a multi polar world.  Pretending otherwise isn’t so smart.  What has been accomplished lately?  Decades of Neocon wars with nothing to show for them.  Trillions wasted. And much of the world is now aligning against the West and its banking system.  Militarily, they are forming alliances. How is any of that a positive development?  Imagine the situation as it stands. China could invade Taiwan at any moment. The Middle East is about to ignite. And the situation in Ukraine continues to deteriorate.  The West can’t fix any of these problems, and yet they’re proceeding as if they can simultaneously win a war with China, defend Israel, and defeat Russia, all with a small military. And where is the President of the United States?  Lying on a beach somewhere. Who is calling the shots? 

Maybe Russia (Putin) should rethink its foreign policy.  Currently it’s not working out for Russia. 

[TedG]

9 hours ago, jas007 said:

Russia is evil!  Putin is a madman who wants to reassemble the old Soviet Union! 

I agree with you on this point. 

[TedG]

Putin invaded Ukraine to provide the people of Russia with enhanced security.   How is that working out?  LOL.

[Danderman123]

13 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do people seem to think Putin would never use nuclear weapons? Why would he not, if he thought he had the right reason? 

Because Russia is downwind from Ukraine.

[Denim]

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

The Ukrainian troops rampaging through civilian settelement in Russia have killed 12 civilians and wounded 121 civilians, including 10 children.

 

 

Putin ordered up an unnecessary and unjustified war and now civilians on both sides are having to foot the bill of death and destruction.

 

That's what happens when you let a narcissistic meglomaniac run the country and don't challenge his authority. He gets away with murder.

 

What has Putin achieved so far ?   More countries joining NATO .

[Bkk Brian]

Was their any independent press at the scenes to confirm what the local Russian gov said about the civilian deaths, just because its claimed by the official and reported by foreign media does not make it a fact. What were the circumstances around the deaths? how did they occur? Where's the images of the locations where these incidents happened? Was it carried out intentionally to kill civilians?

 

Meanwhile, here is what the Russian terrorists do, deliberate strikes on civilians.

 

Ten killed, 35 hurt in Russian strike on supermarket in Ukraine's east

Aug 9 (Reuters) - A Russian missile strike hit a supermarket in the Ukrainian town of Kostiantynivka in the front-line Donetsk region on Friday, killing at least ten people and injuring 35 others, Ukrainian officials said.
The strike caused a fire that had been put out, the interior minister said. Heavy black smoke clouds rising from the destroyed building could be seen in the images and videos posted by officials.
"Russian terrorists hit an ordinary supermarket and a post office. There are people under the rubble," President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on X.

https://archive.ph/gb5Mb

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/two-killed-17-injured-russian-strike-supermarket-ukraines-east-2024-08-09/

 

 

[Mavideol]

and the Russia population are surprised with the pay back.... exactly what did Russia/Putin achieved there since invading it

Putin supporters surprise: 'This war must end now'

 

Putin supporters surprise: 'This war must end now' (msn.com)

 

[Mavideol]

Ukraine claims one of its most powerful naval drones destroyed another Russian boat

 

Ukraine claims one of its most powerful naval drones destroyed another Russian boat (msn.com)

[Mavideol]

the blaming / propaganda game usually used by Russians... if somebody is lying, quite sure is not the Ukrainians

Russia set fire to Ukrainian nuclear plant to ‘blackmail’ Kyiv, says Zelensky

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-sets-fire-ukrainian-nuclear-222529464.html

 

[Mavideol]

Ukrainian troops pushing deeper into Russia

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ukrainian-troops-pushing-deeper-russia-204623936.html

 

[Mavideol]

Ukraine and Russia swap accusations over fire at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-trade-accusations-over-210923675.html

 

[Mavideol]

Hear why retired colonel says this Ukraine incursion is ‘taking its toll on Putin’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hear-why-retired-colonel-says-194715991.html

 

[Mavideol]

Top general says Ukrainian forces have captured almost as much Russian territory in the last week as Russia has land in Ukraine this year

https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-general-says-ukrainian-forces-192549005.html

 

[Mavideol]

Zelenskiy says: Russia must be forced to make peace if Putin wants to fight

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/zelenskiy-says-russia-must-forced-171528852.html

[Mavideol]

Humiliating blow for Putin as Russia's bloody war against Ukraine is brought far closer to home

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/humiliating-blow-putin-russias-bloody-124200884.html

[Mavideol]

no kidding ""Sherlock""... they can be pissed as much as they want, Ukrainians are doing what was done to them, payback, fear, destabilization

 

Ukraine Is Making Serious Moves In Its War Against Russia – And Moscow Is Furious

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-making-serious-moves-war-091837162.html

 

[Rimmer]

A personal attack leading to more name calling and attacks on other members has been removed also replies.

 

Calling other members Liars is going to get you time out to read the forum rules, so don't do it.

[TedG]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ukraine hasn't joined NATO. I'd say that was an achievement.

Really?   

[ballpoint]

A Russian channel on Telegram proudly reported that they had destroyed two Ukrainian howitzers in the Kursk region.  The post was quickly taken down though, and this is why:

 

"Most likely due to a misidentification, the crew of a Russian Ka-52M helicopter operating in the Kursk region opened friendly fire on a military column consisting of several armoured vehicles. As a result, two Russian 2S19M2 Msta-S howitzers were destroyed."

 

This is the most modern artillery type in Russia's arsenal, with a 30km range and capable of firing 10 rounds per minute.  Good work men.

 

 Friendly fire mishap: Russian Ka-52M destroys own howitzers in Kursk (msn.com)

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

A Russian channel on Telegram proudly reported that they had destroyed two Ukrainian howitzers in the Kursk region.  The post was quickly taken down though, and this is why:

 

"Most likely due to a misidentification, the crew of a Russian Ka-52M helicopter operating in the Kursk region opened friendly fire on a military column consisting of several armoured vehicles. As a result, two Russian 2S19M2 Msta-S howitzers were destroyed."

 

This is the most modern artillery type in Russia's arsenal, with a 30km range and capable of firing 10 rounds per minute.  Good work men.

 

 Friendly fire mishap: Russian Ka-52M destroys own howitzers in Kursk (msn.com)

I predict another suicide from a high window once Putin hears that...........

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I predict another suicide from a high window once Putin hears that...........

 

or a KA-52 heli crew defecting ...

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/13/2024 at 1:00 AM, Enoon said:

 

In the context of this conflict they are unlikely to be used against targets in Ukraine, but more likely against Ukrainian forces in Russia.

 

One of the reasons for the Ukrainian offensive is to demonstrate that his nuclear threats are a bluff.

 

 

I fail to understand your logic. Are you saying Putin should use nukes in Kursk to prove he is serious?

Edited August 13 by thaibeachlovers

[LosLobo]

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I fail to understand your logic. Are you saying Putin should use nukes in Kursk to prove he is serious?

I've rarely seen a post with so many illogical fallacies in so few words. 

 

Your struggle with logical comprehension is evident with your:

1. Straw Man Fallacy
   Explanation: This occurs when someone distorts an opponent’s argument to make it easier to attack.
   Example: You misrepresent @Enoon's argument about nuclear threats as a bluff by claiming he advocates for using nukes in Kursk. This distorts his original point.

2. False Dilemma (Either/Or Fallacy)
   Explanation: This involves presenting two options as the only possibilities when there are actually other alternatives.
   Example: You suggest that the only way to prove seriousness about nuclear threats is by using nukes in Kursk, ignoring other potential strategies or actions.

3. Red Herring
   Explanation: This is a diversionary tactic that shifts attention away from the main issue by introducing an irrelevant point.
   Example: By focusing on the hypothetical use of nukes in Kursk, you distract from the original discussion about the Ukrainian offensive and its implications.

4. Appeal to Emotion
   Explanation: This fallacy seeks to manipulate emotional responses rather than providing a logical argument.
   Example: The suggestion of using nukes in Kursk is likely to provoke an emotional reaction, which distracts from a rational analysis of the situation.

Identifying these fallacies reveals that your argument lacks a solid logical foundation, relying instead on misrepresentation and emotional manipulation.

[Gweiloman]

On 8/12/2024 at 5:07 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Will he skip over his 3 day victory?

 

Today marks 900 days since Russia illegally launched their unprovoked full-scale invasion into Ukraine, on 24 February 2022.

Putin said it would take three days, and that Ukraine would welcome Russian occupation. 

He was wrong. 

https://x.com/DefenceHQ/status/1822936123120693346

 

Like many, you have swallowed the propaganda. Putin never said what you claimed. Seems you are wrong, as always.

 

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/why-gen-milleys-ukraine-war-prediction-missed-mile

 

[Bkk Brian]

15 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Like many, you have swallowed the propaganda. Putin never said what you claimed. Seems you are wrong, as always.

 

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/why-gen-milleys-ukraine-war-prediction-missed-mile

 

You should have clicked the link, it was there for a reason...............

 

[Patong2021]

The Ukrainians have demonstrated that they can take the fight to the invader and Zelenskyy's replacement of  Senior defence commanders is vindicated. The arrival of new equipment and modern armaments have helped. The coalition of free nations have been shown that the Ukrainians can and will  hold their own if properly equipped.

 

Now russia must devote more personnel and more equipment to a black hole of  losses: Losses in money that is diverted from the  Russian economy and a loss of  young working age males.   Perhaps as far as the  average Russian is concerned, they won't care since most of the casualties are incurred by the poor and  marginalized youth of the outer republics and Siberia, The cream of St Petersburg and Moscow's  middle and upper income demographic  are avoiding combat. However, it is these young people who work in the factories, oil fields and mines of Russia and upon which the Russian economy was built. A nation cannot afford to lose a generation of young males. 

 

On 8/12/2024 at 5:42 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Probably getting a rush program of boosters so he can look normal next time his handlers trot him out to read a speech they wrote for him. I suspect that whomever is in control of the W H it ain't Biden.

I assume that Biden had to approve sending a guided missile sub to the M E, which is a massive provocation, and is probably increasing the chances of a real ME war, so he should be in the W H ready to assume command in the event that it does kick off.

 

Regurgitating Russian saboteur talking points does not support your cause. Your "assumption" leaves the impression that you are so desperate to denigrate President Biden and to support Putin that you have to resort to nonsensical claims. The declared presence of a US submarine is not a provocation as you claim. US submarines are deployed in the Mediterranean sea regularly. The UK and France have submarines in the region too. In case you did not know, multiple EU and NATO member nations border the Mediterranean Sea. Some of these countries include Greece (and Free Cyprus), Italy, France and  UK (Gibraltar). 

Iran has been  trying to provoke a war with Israel and its proxy army, Hezbollah holds Lebanon hostage. Because of the presence of the  hundreds of thousands of Lebanese with passports of convenience from the EU, Canada and the USA as well as thousands of their nationals in Jordan and Israel, the western nations have an obligation to station assets to discourage potential attacks that could harm these passport holders and nationals. It is Iran that is  engaging in massive provocation.

Is it a provocation if  Russia has a naval vessels in the region? The last count was 6 vessels. Russia also maintains a naval base in the Port of Tartus, Syria. You should ask Russia why it is provoking the  EU  with its naval presence.

 

On 8/12/2024 at 7:08 PM, zmisha said:

As a Z-Russian I give you a simple explanation. In October 2017 on Valdai forum, Putin said that American soldiers has been working on even most secret Russian nuclear objects since 1991. And.... the most interesting part ... he has never said them have ever left the nuclear objects...
Or... even simpler explanation - Russia is an American colony since it lost the Cold War.

 

Are you sober? Russia is not an American colony. Your reference to American  soldiers working on secret Russian objects is  so outlandish as to initiate a legitimate questioning of your psychological state.

Edited August 14 by Patong2021

[Mavideol]

Putin has the guts to claim that in Ukraine it's hitting civil targets... oh it was the other way around, he's loosing it, his missiles hitting children's hospitals, apartment buildings, public markets, supermarkets.... suffer from short memory loss

 

Russia 'pulls troops out of Ukraine' as it fights against cross-border incursion

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-pulls-troops-ukraine-fights-145314390.html

 

[Mavideol]

Ukraine keeps advancing in attack inside Russia that has humiliated Putin

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-keeps-advancing-attack-inside-163258595.html