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tgw
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I have been to Ukraine several times on business and I have family there. I have also been to Russia on business. I would not be able to count how many times.   Russia blatantly vi

mistral53
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As long as commentators in the west preface with 'if Putin wins', they disclose how much they still believe in their own delusional propaganda. There are only two possible scenarios - Russia wins and

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So the West is to blame for Russia invading a sovereign country at the whim of a despotic dictator? Where do you get your warped one sided information from?

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Cameroni Ruby Member

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Really bad news for Ukraine.

 

Zelensky has sacked the head of the Ukrainian air force following the loss of one their very few F16s and the death of the first Western trained pilot.

 

What's more this western military analyst says that if the Kursk invasion leads to the loss of Pokrovsk and Chasiv Yar, then Zelensky will  have a lot of explaining to do.

 

 

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On 8/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Cameroni said:

 

You do know a civilian is a civilian, whether they're Ukrainian or Russian? What makes a Ukrainian civilian death worse than a Russian civilian death?

 

I think history makes a distinction between German civilians, Polish Civilians, Soviet (mostly Ukrainian, Belarusian), Yugoslav civilians and British civilians.

 

You are an apologist for Putin, with your mental gymnastics to defend his actions.

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Mavideol Diamond Member

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not so long ago Putin was saying Ukraine was bombing public infrastructures, he may have mixed up who was doing what, he's a heartless assassin killing innocent kids, hope next Ukrainian target would be a Russian playground in kursk or Belgorod

Child among dead as Russian glide bomb strikes playground in Kharkiv

https://au.yahoo.com/news/child-among-dead-russian-glide-145514877.html

 

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Bkk Brian Star Member

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From Ukraine with love. Massive attack on Moscow and regions by Ukraine drones last night.

 

Ukraine launches 158 drones in attack on Moscow and border regions, Russia says

Russia said that it had thwarted a "massive" Ukrainian drone attack by downing 158 drones across 15 regions, including two over the capital Moscow. Its defence ministry said most of the drones – 122 – were downed over the regions of Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh and Belgorod, which border Ukraine. A coal-fired power plant near the city was reported hit, as was an oil refinery within the city boundaries.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240901-🔴-live-ukraine-war-drones-attack-moscow-border-regions-russia?

 

The video shows the moment of a drone strike on Moscow oil refinery in Kapotnya.

 

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Reading this thread with all the posts and videos of Ukraine raining down bombs and missiles and drones together with invading into Russian territory, one would think that Russia is about to surrender unconditionally like the Japanese did.

 

And yet, Mariupol, Bakhmut, Adviika, Niu York, Toreskt (and the list goes on) and very soon, Porkrovsk and the Donbass…

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More on the multiple drone strikes around Moscow, including the obligatory comical Russian statement.  I guess they count power stations and oil refineries as "air defense systems". They certainly did a good job of stopping these drones.

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TedG Gold Member

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2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Reading this thread with all the posts and videos of Ukraine raining down bombs and missiles and drones together with invading into Russian territory, one would think that Russia is about to surrender unconditionally like the Japanese did.

 

And yet, Mariupol, Bakhmut, Adviika, Niu York, Toreskt (and the list goes on) and very soon, Porkrovsk and the Donbass…

 

Russia will slowly crumble as the war destroys their economy. 

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6 hours ago, TedG said:

 

Russia will slowly crumble as the war destroys their economy. 

 

True. Rasputitsa/Bezdorizhzhia, or the muddy season, is in about 6 weeks. The action to take Pokrovsk is likely the last Russian offensive of the season. If they don't, before General Mud turns up, they will be left with a narrow salient, with resupply across muddy fields.

 

Empires look stable right up until the moment they collapse.

 

Fight the war according to the Russian plan means fighting over a few grubby flattened mining towns, and the front line moving only a few kms. Importantly, the Russian KIAs are "contractors"; conscripts are not being sent to that front line. But they are in Kursk, and seem a rather different kind of POW.

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maybe the love affair/friends with no limits between Xi and Putin will start to crack and the military aide Xi send to Putin to fight in Ukraine may be in questioned ....this guy made a very good point

If China wants Taiwan it should also take back land from Russia, president says

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/if-china-wants-taiwan-it-should-also-take-back-land-russia-president-says-2024-09-02/

 

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On 9/1/2024 at 4:28 PM, Gweiloman said:

Reading this thread with all the posts and videos of Ukraine raining down bombs and missiles and drones together with invading into Russian territory, one would think that Russia is about to surrender unconditionally like the Japanese did.

The funniest thing is...
Let's say to anyone here that Russia is 3-4 times bigger than Ukraine and there are no chances for Ukraine in this war because it simply does not have enough soldiers. The answer would be - haha NATO is 6 times bigger than Russia! And then you should say - wait, if it is NATO, Russia should target its nukes to the US cities. The answer would be - haha it is not NATO! we are just helping Ukraine.

 

So if Russia is fighting against NATO(let's consider such a possibility), we should expect only one decision made at a single moment in the future - the nuclear decision. Or, alternatively, there are no chances for Russia to win in a war against NATO which is 6 times bigger.

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On 9/1/2024 at 7:16 PM, TedG said:

 

Russia will slowly crumble as the war destroys their economy. 

I’m sure that the news sources you read told you that. Did the same sources also mentioned that the reason Ukraine should join NATO is so that Russia won’t dare to invade Ukraine? At the same time, they are telling all the gullibles that Russia is planning to invade NATO lol.

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18 hours ago, Mavideol said:

maybe the love affair/friends with no limits between Xi and Putin will start to crack and the military aide Xi send to Putin to fight in Ukraine may be in questioned ....this guy made a very good point

If China wants Taiwan it should also take back land from Russia, president says

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/if-china-wants-taiwan-it-should-also-take-back-land-russia-president-says-2024-09-02/

 

Not really. According to the article, in the case of Russia, the land was handed over to Russia so it officially belongs to Russia. In the case of Taiwan, the island was handed back to China by the Japanese so at the time of the civil war, it was Chinese land.

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Now where would Putin the little dictator be without help from his mates in Iran and NK........

 

Russia is part of the Axis of Evil

 

"The intelligence sources added that dozens of Russian military personnel are currently in Iran training to operate Fateh-360 missiles."

 

Ukraine Allies Expect Iran to Ship Missiles to Russia Imminently

European officials expect Iran to deliver ballistic missiles to Russia imminently, a move that could prompt a swift response from Ukraine’s allies, people familiar with the matter said.
Iran has provided Russia with hundreds of drones during Russia’s 2 1/2-year war against Ukraine, but the potential transfer of ballistic missiles would mark a worrying development in the conflict, according to the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential assessments.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-02/ukraine-allies-expect-iran-to-ship-missiles-to-russia-imminently

https://archive.ph/fv3mM

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4 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Not really. According to the article, in the case of Russia, the land was handed over to Russia so it officially belongs to Russia. In the case of Taiwan, the island was handed back to China by the Japanese so at the time of the civil war, it was Chinese land.

some back up data about the Taiwan being Chinese land would be welcomed, or as usual just your opinion

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