Thailand Live Monday 28 October 2024

[CharlieH]

 

Thailand’s eastern gulf coast is facing unprecedented challenges as sea surface temperatures hit record highs during a regional heat wave. This alarming trend has caused significant coral bleaching and threatens the marine ecosystem, posing severe risks to tourism and local communities in the region.

 

Both scientists and local residents are deeply worried about the rising sea temperatures' impact on marine life. The once vibrant and colorful corals located about five meters underwater have turned white, a clear indication of coral bleaching. This phenomenon reveals that the health of the corals is deteriorating due to the elevated water temperatures.

 

Recent data shows that sea surface temperatures in the Eastern Gulf of Thailand reached 32.73 degrees Celsius (90.91 F) earlier this month. Underwater readings have been slightly warmer, with dive computers showing around 33 degrees Celsius. Marine biologist Lalita Putchim from the Department of Marine and Coastal Resources (DMCR) expressed her concern after diving in the gulf coast: “I couldn’t find a single healthy coral. Almost all species have bleached; there’s very little that’s not affected.”

 

The Trat archipelago, encompassing over 66 islands and covering more than 28.4 square kilometers (2,841 hectares) of coral reef, has been particularly hard-hit. Lalita reported that up to 30% of the coral life in the area is experiencing bleaching, with 5% already dead. If water temperatures do not cool down, more coral will die, worsening the ecological crisis. “It’s global boiling, not just global warming,” Lalita remarked, underscoring the urgency of the situation.

 

The rising temperatures are also affecting other marine life and the livelihoods of local fishermen. Sommay Singsura, a fisherman, has seen his daily catch decrease significantly in recent years. Previously, he could make up to 10,000 baht ($275) a day, but now he sometimes returns empty-handed. “There used to be jackfish, short mackerel, and many others … But now, the situation isn’t good. The weather isn’t like what it used to be,” Sommay lamented.

 

Coral reefs serve as both a food resource and habitat for marine life, as well as natural barriers that prevent coastal erosion. Scientists warn that if coral bleaching leads to a decrease in marine life, fishermen will need to spend more to get their catch, potentially driving up selling prices. Sarawut Siriwong, dean of the Faculty of Marine Technology at Burapha University, emphasized the broader implications: “While this coral bleaching affects food security, it also puts the income stability of the community at stake.”

 

The deteriorating marine environment and the threat of heatstroke present significant challenges for Thailand’s tourism industry. Visitors who come to the eastern gulf coast for its natural beauty and marine attractions may find their plans disrupted by the extreme temperatures and declining marine health. As the situation unfolds, the need for urgent action to address climate change and its effects on Thailand’s ecosystem and economy becomes increasingly clear.

 

2024-02-28

 

[newbee2022]

17 hours ago, CharlieH said:

 

Thailand’s eastern gulf coast is facing unprecedented challenges as sea surface temperatures hit record highs during a regional heat wave. This alarming trend has caused significant coral bleaching and threatens the marine ecosystem, posing severe risks to tourism and local communities in the region.

 

Both scientists and local residents are deeply worried about the rising sea temperatures' impact on marine life. The once vibrant and colorful corals located about five meters underwater have turned white, a clear indication of coral bleaching. This phenomenon reveals that the health of the corals is deteriorating due to the elevated water temperatures.

 

Recent data shows that sea surface temperatures in the Eastern Gulf of Thailand reached 32.73 degrees Celsius (90.91 F) earlier this month. Underwater readings have been slightly warmer, with dive computers showing around 33 degrees Celsius. Marine biologist Lalita Putchim from the Department of Marine and Coastal Resources (DMCR) expressed her concern after diving in the gulf coast: “I couldn’t find a single healthy coral. Almost all species have bleached; there’s very little that’s not affected.”

 

The Trat archipelago, encompassing over 66 islands and covering more than 28.4 square kilometers (2,841 hectares) of coral reef, has been particularly hard-hit. Lalita reported that up to 30% of the coral life in the area is experiencing bleaching, with 5% already dead. If water temperatures do not cool down, more coral will die, worsening the ecological crisis. “It’s global boiling, not just global warming,” Lalita remarked, underscoring the urgency of the situation.

 

The rising temperatures are also affecting other marine life and the livelihoods of local fishermen. Sommay Singsura, a fisherman, has seen his daily catch decrease significantly in recent years. Previously, he could make up to 10,000 baht ($275) a day, but now he sometimes returns empty-handed. “There used to be jackfish, short mackerel, and many others … But now, the situation isn’t good. The weather isn’t like what it used to be,” Sommay lamented.

 

Coral reefs serve as both a food resource and habitat for marine life, as well as natural barriers that prevent coastal erosion. Scientists warn that if coral bleaching leads to a decrease in marine life, fishermen will need to spend more to get their catch, potentially driving up selling prices. Sarawut Siriwong, dean of the Faculty of Marine Technology at Burapha University, emphasized the broader implications: “While this coral bleaching affects food security, it also puts the income stability of the community at stake.”

 

The deteriorating marine environment and the threat of heatstroke present significant challenges for Thailand’s tourism industry. Visitors who come to the eastern gulf coast for its natural beauty and marine attractions may find their plans disrupted by the extreme temperatures and declining marine health. As the situation unfolds, the need for urgent action to address climate change and its effects on Thailand’s ecosystem and economy becomes increasingly clear.

 

2024-02-28

 

Well, this will hit the southern half of the world more than the north. 

And there are still people denying climate change.

And nobody cares.🙏

[KhunLA]

Not that I take much stock in the MMCC, rising seas, but the hypocrites that do, and tell us all we are the problem, and how to reduce 'our' carbon footprint, are not going to stop traveling, or adjust their living to lower their carbon footprint. 

 

They will still continue their hypocrisy ...

... jetting internationally holiday

... use fossil fuel transport to holiday locally (jet/drive)

... renting and or using fossil fueled transportation when there

... staying at UN-Eco friendly accommodations

...  driving fossil fuel vehicles in home country in everyday life

...  not install solar

... not drive EVs

... not use E powered public trans, or an public trans

... not even do simple things like compost at home

 

They'll just talk about MMCC, GW & rising seas.   Same with all the politicians & gov't, who will impose taxes to solve the problem, but that money simply adds funds to their already failed policies & existence.

 

Change is easy, just not profitable.  Pretty obvious we all know which is more important.

[khunpeer]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

Well, this will hit the southern half of the world more than the north. 

And there are still people denying climate change.

And nobody cares.🙏

the northern half of the world will also be effected by hurricanes, much stronger rains, storms, floodings etc, check what's happening in BanglaDesh now!

so everyone on the whole world will be effected, not only southern half...

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, khunpeer said:

the northern half of the world will also be effected by hurricanes, much stronger rains, storms, floodings etc, check what's happening in BanglaDesh now!

so everyone on the whole world will be effected, not only southern half...

We were talking about the heat bleaching the corals. 

And the thread is about Thailand actually, not about the stuff you mentioned.

[BusNo8]

Deniers are not necessarily stating the world isn't warming, but rather mankind has much to do with it.

 

The solutions are fake and driven by politics and new industry mafia looking to subsume current energy regime.

 

All the greenies are total hypocrites which hardly helps the cause. The solutions are nothing of the sort. EV, wind and solar power all a joke.

 

No one need do anything. The plummeting birthrates will reduce environmental issues by levels of magnitude

 

It's just a jello wrestling match for money, control. Nothing to do with making our lives better. Wake up

Edited June 7 by BusNo8

[BusNo8]

I might add - Thailand has a new carbon tax coming online.

 

Will the government pay into this for habitually allowing crop burning and habitat destruction?

 

EV pay carbon tax? Source of power are carbon fueled energy plants.

 

EV not paying petrol taxes 😉

[KhunLA]

Global Warming ... 

 

Bit of a chill in the air today, while on the MB and this is mid October, and high noon, not Dec/Jan, early morning/early evening or overnight.

 

All the Thais are bundled up on their scooter, and a light jacket certainly wouldn't have been amiss if I was wearing.

 

Can't recall that feeling before, a chill, on the scooter in Oct, here at PKK.

 

No wonder the millionaires live beachfront, as they don't believe it either, no matter what BS they spew.

Edited October 19 by KhunLA

[Hummin]

Thank god I have only 30 - 35 years max left on this planet. People is lunatics, who ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and not to forget I got no offsprings to worry about 😄

 

There is simple solutions to our problems, but there is no money in it, and thats the problem

[kwilco]

On 5/29/2024 at 3:34 AM, KhunLA said:

They will still continue their hypocrisy ...

calling people "hypocrites"  doesn't mitigate MMCC in any way.

[kwilco]

MMCC is not hard to understand, but why people deny it is.

[KhunLA]

7 hours ago, kwilco said:

MMCC is not hard to understand, but why people deny it is.

Because it's a false narrative, that climatologists simply don't agree with ... IMHO

 

I only state IMHO, so it doesn't get deleted, but I did post a source somewhere on AN, with that source, just too lazy and can't be bothered to search for it.

 

edit: some reading for the ignorant folks that believe MSM

 

https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/666002/21b43e1b155051227ef2981acd52c254/19-16-292-C-Corbyn-data.pdf

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1112950/#:~:text=Most members of the Intergovernmental,C between 1979 and 1994.

 

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/putting-the-con-in-consensus-not-only-is-there-no-97-per-cent-consensus-among-climate-scientists-many-misunderstand-core-issues

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by KhunLA

[Yagoda]

I will believe in man made climate change when folks can give me a comparison between the average monthly  summer temperature in what is now Oshkosh in the year 942 BC and last summer

[BritManToo]

7 hours ago, kwilco said:

MMCC is not hard to understand, but why people deny it is.

If you believe, what was your last electricity bill?

Because believing without doing is the very definition of hypocrisy.

 

I don't believe but my electricity bill was 240bht this month (family of three), and that includes all my EV charging.

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

If you believe, what was your last electricity bill?

Because believing without doing is the very definition of hypocrisy.

 

I don't believe but my electricity bill was 240bht this month (family of three), and that includes all my EV charging.

Damn. Thats cheap. If I run the AC 12 hours a day, its like $100 here in Cambo just for me.

[KhunLA]

26 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

If you believe, what was your last electricity bill?

Because believing without doing is the very definition of hypocrisy.

 

I don't believe but my electricity bill was 240bht this month (family of three), and that includes all my EV charging.

Interesting concept, so I checked

2022 - 2023 / Oct - Sept, used 7,186 kWh 

2023 - 2024 / Oct - Sept, used 4,776 kWh

 

We were also O&A, away from house, overnighting, about the same amount of days (~40) which implies this past year, was definitely cooler than previous.

Edited 14 hours ago by KhunLA

[kwilco]

11 hours ago, BritManToo said:

If you believe, what was your last electricity bill?

Because believing without doing is the very definition of hypocrisy.

 

I don't believe but my electricity bill was 240bht this month (family of three), and that includes all my EV charging.

Got to be the most banal comment on this thread - the poster, however, was predictable.

[kwilco]

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

I will believe in man made climate change when folks can give me a comparison between the average monthly  summer temperature in what is now Oshkosh in the year 942 BC and last summer

well they can - but it shows you have no idea what MMCC is.

[kwilco]

12 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Because it's a false narrative, t

that is sooooo sad!

In a nutshell, man-made climate change is the right answer because human activities, primarily the burning of fossil fuels (like coal, oil, and gas), deforestation, and large-scale industrial practices, release massive amounts of greenhouse gases—mainly carbon dioxide and methane—into the atmosphere. These gases trap heat, causing the Earth's temperature to rise and leading to changes in climate patterns, extreme weather events, rising sea levels, and disruptions in ecosystems.

In essence, human actions have intensified the natural greenhouse effect, turning it into a driver of rapid climate change. - simples!

Only a complete fool would disagree.

Edited 3 hours ago by kwilco

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

that is sooooo sad!

In a nutshell, man-made climate change is the right answer because human activities, primarily the burning of fossil fuels (like coal, oil, and gas), deforestation, and large-scale industrial practices, release massive amounts of greenhouse gases—mainly carbon dioxide and methane—into the atmosphere. These gases trap heat, causing the Earth's temperature to rise and leading to changes in climate patterns, extreme weather events, rising sea levels, and disruptions in ecosystems.

In essence, human actions have intensified the natural greenhouse effect, turning it into a driver of rapid climate change. - simples!

Only a complete fool would disagree.

From the link I posted, that you didn't read.  Senseless to have a discussion, when you echo MSM BS vs science ... Have a Nice Day

 

"Whether most scientists outside climatology believe that global warming is happening is less relevant than whether the climatologists do. A letter signed by over 50 leading members of the American Meteorological Society warned about the policies promoted by environmental pressure groups. “The policy initiatives derive from highly uncertain scientific theories. They are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuel and requires immediate action. We do not agree.”2 Those who have signed the letter represent the overwhelming majority of climate change scientists in the United States, of whom there are about 60."

____________________________________________________________________

 

"For the CO2 narrative to be true REQUIRES:

 

1. Man’s (4%) CO2 to controls the rest of (96%) CO2.

2. CO2 to be the main controller of temperature and climate.

 

BOTH CLAIMS FAIL AGAINST SCIENCE, and are not made any less false by any number of new or old ‘celebs’ generating large carbon footprints by attending “Save-The-Planet” stunts where they tell us all to not fly, not eat meat, not drive cars, not breath etc. Nor do the industrial scale official temperature data set “adjustments”, alarmist forecasts which never come true, or the hysterical propaganda claims of “record” heat at questionably selected urban heat islands, make falsity valid.

 

The first contention, the idea that Man’s CO2 controls the rest of natural CO2 – plant growth and decay, termite CO2/Methane production (which is significantly more in net supposed “greenhouse” effect than Man’s – and 2 thus it is questionable as to why we have not declared war on termites), volcanoes etc etc. – is an absurd conspiracy theory of nature. There is no evidence for this madness. Do termites increase CO2 production when you ride in a bus around your town, simply because your CO2 is human produced?

 

The second assertion, that CO2 controls climate is negated by observations.  

 

In the long run CO2 levels are an EFFECT NOT A CAUSE of changes in Climate / temperatures. Sea temperatures rule CO2 as the oceans hold 50 times more CO2 than the atmosphere. If the sea warms, CO2 is released (like warming a glass of fizzy drink) and if it cools it absorbs CO2 from the air. This happens on a daily/weekly/monthly/yearly basis and on average CO2 in the whole atmosphere stays around for a few years before going back into the upper levels of the ocean or into the soil; CO2 levels in these relatively small changes LAG behind temperature changes. 

 

On longer time scales extra CO2 emitted from the sea surface in warm periods gets swallowed up into the cold deep ocean by currents off e.g. Greenland and emerges 500-800 years later in the air over the Pacific etc. after a long deep sea trek - see below. So, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, over the long run, is an effect, and not a cause, of temperatures and lags behind the climate by about 500-800years"

Edited 2 hours ago by KhunLA

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

Only a complete fool would disagree.

 

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

From the link I posted, that you didn't read.  Senseless to have a discussion, when you echo MSM BS vs science ... Have a Nice Day

 

"Whether most scientists outside climatology believe that global warming is happening is less relevant than whether the climatologists do. A letter signed by over 50 leading members of the American Meteorological Society warned about the policies promoted by environmental pressure groups. “The policy initiatives derive from highly uncertain scientific theories. They are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuel and requires immediate action. We do not agree.”2 Those who have signed the letter represent the overwhelming majority of climate change scientists in the United States, of whom there are about 60."

____________________________________________________________________

 

"For the CO2 narrative to be true REQUIRES:

 

1. Man’s (4%) CO2 to controls the rest of (96%) CO2.

2. CO2 to be the main controller of temperature and climate.

 

BOTH CLAIMS FAIL AGAINST SCIENCE, and are not made any less false by any number of new or old ‘celebs’ generating large carbon footprints by attending “Save-The-Planet” stunts where they tell us all to not fly, not eat meat, not drive cars, not breath etc. Nor do the industrial scale official temperature data set “adjustments”, alarmist forecasts which never come true, or the hysterical propaganda claims of “record” heat at questionably selected urban heat islands, make falsity valid.

 

The first contention, the idea that Man’s CO2 controls the rest of natural CO2 – plant growth and decay, termite CO2/Methane production (which is significantly more in net supposed “greenhouse” effect than Man’s – and 2 thus it is questionable as to why we have not declared war on termites), volcanoes etc etc. – is an absurd conspiracy theory of nature. There is no evidence for this madness. Do termites increase CO2 production when you ride in a bus around your town, simply because your CO2 is human produced?

 

The second assertion, that CO2 controls climate is negated by observations.  

 

In the long run CO2 levels are an EFFECT NOT A CAUSE of changes in Climate / temperatures. Sea temperatures rule CO2 as the oceans hold 50 times more CO2 than the atmosphere. If the sea warms, CO2 is released (like warming a glass of fizzy drink) and if it cools it absorbs CO2 from the air. This happens on a daily/weekly/monthly/yearly basis and on average CO2 in the whole atmosphere stays around for a few years before going back into the upper levels of the ocean or into the soil; CO2 levels in these relatively small changes LAG behind temperature changes. 

 

On longer time scales extra CO2 emitted from the sea surface in warm periods gets swallowed up into the cold deep ocean by currents off e.g. Greenland and emerges 500-800 years later in the air over the Pacific etc. after a long deep sea trek - see below. So, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, over the long run, is an effect, and not a cause, of temperatures and lags behind the climate by about 500-800years"

QED!

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

 

QED!