3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You have read the first and the fifth amendments?

 

  Why don't you post those amendments on here so that he can read them ?

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Why don't you post those amendments on here so that he can read them ?

Oh dear.

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You have read the first and the fifth amendments?

To be fair, they're not really applicable to the UK 

53 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

Where is that graveyard?

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 

Where is that graveyard?

In some corner of a foreign field.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

In some corner of a foreign field.

 

Is it more special than other war graves?

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh dear.

 

   Was you being sarcastic or something ?

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 

Is it more special than other war graves?

No it is not.

 

It’s just like all the other British Forces War Graves, a monument to a man’s sacrifice that should be honored.

 

An example of a man who died for the freedoms everyone in the UK enjoys today.

 

Have a word with Proton about that.

 

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No it is not.

 

It’s just like all the other British Forces War Graves, a monument to a man’s sacrifice that should be honored.

 

An example of a man who died for the freedoms everyone in the UK enjoys today.

 

Have a word with Proton about that.

 

 

If it's not more special then why did you put it up then?

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

you forgot to say it rains more since we left the EU....🙄

It does metaphorically speaking, the national psyche is cold and wet, warmed only by football and 'big brother' or 'love island'

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

you forgot to say it rains more since we left the EU....🙄

double post

Edited June 8, 20242 yr by soalbundy

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

you forgot to say it rains more since we left the EU....🙄

double post

Edited June 8, 20242 yr by soalbundy

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

If it's not more special then why did you put it up then?

Because I was responding to Proton’s Islamophobic post that has now very rightly been removed.

 

politicians sold out the country and let it an incompatible religion that now overruns europe

 

in the hope of what? that they will work for the pension of the current and next generations ?

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because I was responding to Proton’s Islamophobic post that has now very rightly been removed.

 

 

Must have been quick - never saw it.

 

Muslim soldiers fought on both sides in WW2. I have managed to find Muhammad - he is buried in Heliopolis, Egypt.

 

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2209559/muhammad-din/

42 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

It does metaphorically speaking, the national psyche is cold and wet, warmed only by football and 'big brother' or 'love island'

 

Don't forget Farage in hot and steamy Queensland.

40 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

double post

treble post.

 

God I wish the soccer season would come back.

17 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Eighty years have passed since the D-Day landings, yet the valor and sacrifice of the tens of thousands of troops who fought to liberate Europe from tyranny remain a shining beacon of courage and selflessness. We rightly celebrate the dwindling number of veterans and honor their fallen comrades, expressing our gratitude for their immeasurable contributions. However, there is a profound sadness in recognizing that the Britain these heroes fought to defend seems to be fading away before our very eyes.

 

It is tragic to witness the casual abandonment of the freedoms they sacrificed so much to preserve. Perhaps most galling is the perception that many Britons today despise the very country these heroes sought to protect. The most fundamental freedom of all—freedom of speech—is under threat. In today’s Britain, holding an unpopular opinion often results in abuse, professional ruin, and social ostracization.

 

Consider the experiences of Graham Linehan, Rosie Duffield, Kathleen Stock, and countless others who have faced severe backlash for expressing their views. Ironically, social media, which was once seen as a platform for free expression, has often become a tool for silencing dissenting voices. Without freedom of speech, true democracy cannot exist. This erosion of free expression was starkly highlighted by the attempts, spearheaded by Sir Keir Starmer, to overturn the Brexit referendum, treating the democratic will of the people as a mere inconvenience.

 

The erosion of freedoms does not stop with speech. The COVID-19 pandemic revealed a troubling willingness among many Britons to surrender their liberties. During the pandemic, draconian lockdown measures were not only accepted but, in many cases, demanded. People cheered for severe restrictions, even at the cost of their children's education and social development. Fear proved to be a powerful tool in persuading the public to accept, and even call for, stringent controls on their lives.

 

Sir Keir Starmer emerged as a leading advocate for lockdowns, frequently criticizing the government for any relaxation of restrictions. However, it was a Conservative prime minister who initially imposed these extreme measures. This bipartisan embrace of restrictive policies raises concerns about the future of personal freedom in Britain.

 

Another threat to liberty is the rise of "wokery," a social philosophy characterized by judging historical figures and events by contemporary standards and dividing society into oppressors and oppressed. This worldview condemns Britain’s past as a source of shame and seeks to reconstruct its present according to modern ideological norms. Consequently, we see absurdities such as convicted male rapists being sent to female prisons upon declaring themselves women, the defacement of Winston Churchill’s statue, and a populace increasingly reliant on the government for guidance on how to live their lives.

 

Any country will inevitably change over the course of eight decades, and Britain is no exception. However, the determination to protect and cherish freedom should remain a constant. This was the essence of what D-Day represented. Imagine if the thousands of young men who died on those beaches could see Britain today in 2024. Would they recognize the country they sacrificed their lives to protect? Would they understand how easily we have surrendered our liberties?

 

The decline of free speech, the eagerness to relinquish personal freedoms, and the rise of divisive social ideologies suggest a Britain that might be unrecognizable to the D-Day generation. It is imperative that we reflect on this trajectory and recommit ourselves to the principles of freedom and democracy that so many fought and died to defend. Only then can we truly honor their legacy and ensure that their sacrifices were not in vain.

 

Credit: Daily Telegraph 2024-06-08

 

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Isn't the USA now in the same shape?  Glad my father is not alive to see where we are headed since the "Transformation."

Parliament is sovereign. 

 

That's what the soldiers fought for above all. The freedom of British citizens to elect their own representatives and not serve a dictator. 

 

 

34 minutes ago, nauseus said:

treble post.

 

God I wish the soccer season would come back.

 

It hasn't gone away. Euros start next week. Then a month's break from actual matches but we'll have blanket coverage of the transfer window gossip and wheelings and dealings to ease the pain.

 

Anyway, what's wrong with watching the cricket?

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

Ohh look at how clever comrade Chomper is finding a gravestone of a muslim fighting on our side. The UK has been turned into a mutli cultural dustbin with so many millions pouring in since Blair opened the floodgates. Now houses and rents are unaffordable, NHS is on it's knees and some schools have to cope with 20 languages. Mr Din did not fight for the mess the Britain is in now. Vote reform.

Edited June 8, 20242 yr by proton

4 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

The way in which Heath treated the dominions and former colonies when we entered the EEC was a disgrace. They were ignored. We should have encouraged a better, closer working relationship with them rather than joining with Europe. 

Because those ex-colonies and the UK parted on such good terms? And the very fact that those colonies were mostly far from the UK geographically and economically underdeveloped, meant that they wouldn't have been all that useful as trading partners.

Edited June 8, 20242 yr by placeholder

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Brexit was about controlling the borders in regards to legal immigration.

The U.K  allowing who it wants to enter in, rather than Brussels telling us who to let in . 

 

I (largely) agree, although I would point out that Brussels didn't tell us who we could let in, just who we couldn't exclude. When we were an EU member, the UK could have denied entry to all non-EU immigrants if it had wished.

 

The evidence to date suggests that the UK's new found total independence wrt immigration policy has been an abject failure.

 

The contrast between the UK government's approach to immigration since Brexit with the free movement of labour within the EU Single Market is stark. The former depends on a 'planned' approach, whereby numbers of immigrants are set - seemingly arbitrarily - in advance and is, paradoxically, reactive and always trying to play 'catch-up' with the demands of the economy. In contrast, the free movement of labour afforded by EU Single Market rules is dynamic and is able to adjust to the market's demands much more quickly.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No it is not.

 

It’s just like all the other British Forces War Graves, a monument to a man’s sacrifice that should be honored.

 

An example of a man who died for the freedoms everyone in the UK enjoys today.

 

Have a word with Proton about that.

 

 

What freedoms, the freedom the scream free Palestine and kill the Jews? You get arrested for mis gendering or laughing at peoples preferred pronouns, flying our own flag or calling Hamas terrorists. Our freedoms have been seriously reduced by the left wokerati over the past 15 years, aided by the gutless politicised Police.

14 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Ohh look at how clever comrade Chomper is finding a gravestone of a muslim fighting on our side. The UK has been turned into a mutli cultural dustbin with so many millions pouring in since Blair opened the floodgates. Now houses and rents are unaffordable, NHS is on it's knees and some schools have to cope with 20 languages. Mr Din did not fight for the mess the Britain is in now. Vote reform.

 

Whatever the reasons, a significant number of Muslims fought and died for the Allies during WW2 (also in WW1) as did significant numbers of other non-Caucasians of various colours and/or faiths. Today, individuals of all faiths serve in the UK's armed forces.

 

I realise that these facts don't sit easily with the notion that all the UK's problems are due to immigration.

 

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

The 1975 referendum was allowed by Wilson, after the UK had already been ramrodded into the EEC by Heath. You are right, at the time this was still commonly sold in the UK as The Common Market, a ploy which largely successfully duped most of the people into thinking that this was essentially an economic alliance. But it weren't. were it? 

 

It is written into the Treaty of Rome that the EC/EEC/EU should seek "ever closer union". What form, and to what extent, that union is forged is obviously open to debate.

 

However, why should it be a surprise that the 'European entity' has evolved? In 1975, the EEC consisted of 9 countries. By 2013, the EU had grown to 28 members. The scope and rules governing the EEC in 1975 would not be fit for purpose for the EU in 2013 (2024).

4 hours ago, transam said:

Because they can't be shot, they cannot be turned around, the UK's hands are tied, sadly not the spongers in boats...

They could be if it weren't for these stupid agreements with the EU!!!

As I said above "In this instance "gunboat diplomacy" would have been spot on!"

4 hours ago, RayC said:

 

It is written into the Treaty of Rome that the EC/EEC/EU should seek "ever closer union". What form, and to what extent, that union is forged is obviously open to debate.

 

However, why should it be a surprise that the 'European entity' has evolved? In 1975, the EEC consisted of 9 countries. By 2013, the EU had grown to 28 members. The scope and rules governing the EEC in 1975 would not be fit for purpose for the EU in 2013 (2024).

 

The Treaty of Rome remains the primary reference of the EEC/EU and susequent treaties.

 

How many people do you think bothered to read all that before Heath signed us in?

 

 

13 hours ago, soalbundy said:

I understand that it's the UN charter to which the UK is a signatory which stipulates humanitarian help to refugees, the ECHR is merely upholding international law.

The UK has no trouble ignoring a heap of UN laws in a certain situation, so they should have no worries about ignoring that one as well.

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The UK has no trouble ignoring a heap of UN laws in a certain situation, so they should have no worries about ignoring that one as well.

Yes they could do, they would be the first European country to do so and may set the ball rolling. In an ideal world there would be no need to flee ones own country but here we are. Eventually I can see lethal force being used when the effects of global warming accelerate and a human tide crashes on to northern shores around the world. Our planet needs an escape. Still when all is said and done we should be the last people complaining about foreigners coming to live in someone else's country, we too are a different colour from a different culture and religion and a different language and who show, for the most part, a lack of interest in integrating with the local population.