candide Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, BobBKK said: But Vietnam, for example, is very focused on economic growth and capitalism - is it far-right? Labels are quite dangerous, I think. I have always thought of myself as 'left of centre', supporting women's choice (within term limits) and cannabis freedom, but I also support immigration controls, etc. I hate woke liberalism and am anti-war. Labels are divisive - what is Macron? to me, he's a warmongering populist and very far from a real leftwinger. Macron doesn't claim to be left-wing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 5 minutes ago, Gaccha said: I think the only real credible ameliorating change is the introduction of Universal Income (basic income) across the developed world. I know that South Africa is right now about to introduce it. I think a minimum universal income is a good idea from the capitalistic POV. Of course, from the socialistic POV, that would not be necessary since everyone's needs (not "wants) would be provided by the state as much as they could be with the assets available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaccha Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 4 minutes ago, WDSmart said: from the socialistic POV, that would not be necessary since everyone's needs (not "wants) would be provided by the state To quote Mr Marx, "society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic." I love the idea of having the free time to go fishing after having a good argument at dinner, but I get a bit of a spine chill because Mr Marx is dangerously vague on how the state will be doing the regulating. It sounds like they ("society") will be regulating others, coercing others. The only way I can see to achieve this is "fully-automated luxury communism", where humans are no longer the slaves of the production mechanism but instead robots and AI do all the work. And I don't think this is a pipe dream. It would be absurd to imagine that capitalism will last another 500 years, so why not imagine this fully automated communism instead. I just don't believe it's possible yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 minutes ago, Gaccha said: To quote Mr Marx, "society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic." I love the idea of having the free time to go fishing after having a good argument at dinner, but I get a bit of a spine chill because Mr Marx is dangerously vague on how the state will be doing the regulating. It sounds like they ("society") will be regulating others, coercing others. The only way I can see to achieve this is "fully-automated luxury communism", where humans are no longer the slaves of the production mechanism but instead robots and AI do all the work. And I don't think this is a pipe dream. It would be absurd to imagine that capitalism will last another 500 years, so why not imagine this fully automated communism instead. I just don't believe it's possible yet. I think, like you, that communism is the final goal. I support socialism because I see it as a necessary step between capitalism and communism. I, however, do not share your vision of the future. I believe socially, economically, and especially environmentally, things are going to continue to swiftly erode. I predict that 500 years from now, humans will be extinct because of our hubris. Hopefully, we will not take all life with us when we go. I have written and published a book about this entitled The Icarus Syndrome since I see our (humans') fascination with technology, which has made us the dominant species on this planet, will eventually lead to our downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaccha Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 11 minutes ago, WDSmart said: The Icarus Syndrome Was your book published by Harper? This looks interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, riclag said: The PM from Belgium resigned to , hopefully there will be a inquisition to find possible crimes he committed! These globalist don’t have a clue as to the damage they caused sovereign citizen communities with their open borders policy. methinks It's a matter of opinion whether De Croo was a good PM, but I'm unaware that he committed any crimes while in office. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDSmart Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 minutes ago, Gaccha said: Was your book published by Harper? This looks interesting. No, but it's sold in many online and a few brick-and-mortar bookstores. Here's a link to The Icarus Syndrome (books2read.com). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BobBKK Posted June 10 Popular Post Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, WDSmart said: I amended my post after you saw it. Now, I'll say: "Far-right," for me, is any movement that, governmentally, leans towards fascism and economically, leans towards capitalism. I consider myself "far-left," and governmentally, I lean toward democracy, and economically, I lean toward socialism. A large difference between the left and liberals. I consider myself left of centre, but I loathe woke liberals who would consider me on the right. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 55 minutes ago, candide said: Macron doesn't claim to be left-wing... Yes he does, in his book Revolution he said "I am a man of the left" when actually he is a warmongering opportunist. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 11 minutes ago, BobBKK said: Yes he does, in his book Revolution he said "I am a man of the left" when actually he is a warmongering opportunist. He said that in 2016, I doubt he would tell the same now, as his policy is clearly not left-wing. Rather center or slightly right of center. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ffshore360 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 34 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I think, like you, that communism is the final goal. I support socialism because I see it as a necessary step between capitalism and communism. I, however, do not share your vision of the future. I believe socially, economically, and especially environmentally, things are going to continue to swiftly erode. I predict that 500 years from now, humans will be extinct because of our hubris. Hopefully, we will not take all life with us when we go. I have written and published a book about this entitled The Icarus Syndrome since I see our (humans') fascination with technology, which has made us the dominant species on this planet, will eventually lead to our downfall. I believe that I understand your viewpoint. The weak point involves the (Our)(Human) "dependence" on technology as a determination of the viability of all human existence. The variables of potential human demise have existed and have eventuated probably more times than is known either as self destructive civilizations or victims of natural/cosmic events alongside other species. Currently the global population is being held ransom by and to bi pedal cockroaches calling themselves Political leaders ! 500 years? At best 50 ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 34 minutes ago, candide said: He said that in 2016, I doubt he would tell the same now, as his policy is clearly not left-wing. Rather center or slightly right of center. Maybe that's right, but it just shows he's an opportunist - a little while ago, he was chatting to Putin and hoping for a ceasefire. Now he's to the right of Ghengis Khan on the issue because he's worried about losing voters - but he's made a mistake, and the tide is turning. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seppius Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, Aforek said: If the far right has an absolute majority, Macron will have to choose a prime minister from the far right Presidential elections take place in 3 years Thank you, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 The swing to the right is not big enough for any direct policy changes. Also infighting in the right fractions divides them. So I don't see any drastic effects for the moment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 16 hours ago, JonnyF said: People are clearly sick of being sold out by left wing politicians. Simply labelling their opponents "far right" in an attempt to discredit them will no longer work. The people want effective leaders and common sense policies. Or falling for the bs rhetoric of the far right. Sad times 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 11 hours ago, BobBKK said: Wrong again bro Times of India? Really stretching, eh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 9 hours ago, BobBKK said: Times of India is pretty independent and Thank God for Oban Dodgy. But gives what you want to hear. Sad https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-india/ Overall, we rate The Times of India Right-Center Biased based on reporting and story selection that favors the right-leaning ruling party. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to four failed fact checks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 6 hours ago, BobBKK said: A large difference between the left and liberals. I consider myself left of centre, but I loathe woke liberals who would consider me on the right. You are definitely not left of center. Using the term woke puts you in the far right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumWK Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 7 minutes ago, Roo Island said: 6 hours ago, BobBKK said: A large difference between the left and liberals. I consider myself left of centre, but I loathe woke liberals who would consider me on the right. You are definitely not left of center. Using the term woke puts you in the far right I think Bob was talking about your political siding, but I guess that went over your head 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rabas Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 6 hours ago, Roo Island said: Dodgy. But gives what you want to hear. Sad https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-india/ Overall, we rate The Times of India Right-Center Biased based on reporting and story selection that favors the right-leaning ruling party. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to four failed fact checks. Correct. They'll publish anything left or right but often distort it into clickbait, like youtube. Like they twisted Orban's pre-election 'peace march' to be a broad EU anti-war movement. Anything to get your attention. We are rapidly moving from the soundbite into clickbait era. No info required. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) MAGA hats are red. I wonder what color the new MEGA hats will be? (And whether they'll trigger lefty heads to explode on the street like the red ones?) Edited June 11 by impulse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 19 hours ago, candide said: He said that in 2016, I doubt he would tell the same now, as his policy is clearly not left-wing. Rather center or slightly right of center. He blows with the wind. He can see what everyone can see. The right is gaining ground across Europe after years of its citizens being sold out by the left. Hence, he is moving to the right. Quelle surprise. He's got about the same amount of principles, backbone and integrity as Starmer. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 13 hours ago, Roo Island said: Or falling for the bs rhetoric of the far right. Sad times Who are these "far right" you speak of? Presumably anyone who isn't a blue haired, gender fluid, Hamas loving, EU worshipping, self loathing, pearl clutching antisemite? 😃 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 50 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Who are these "far right" you speak of? That'll be the NF in France, Fidesz in Hungary, Vlaams Belang in Belgium, AfD in Germany amongst others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 hours ago, JonnyF said: He blows with the wind. He can see what everyone can see. The right is gaining ground across Europe after years of its citizens being sold out by the left. Hence, he is moving to the right. Quelle surprise. He's got about the same amount of principles, backbone and integrity as Starmer. So do otners, such as Marine Le Pen. She was initially pro-Frexit, then changed her tune as she found out there was not much wind blowing in this direction.! 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 19 hours ago, CallumWK said: I think Bob was talking about your political siding, but I guess that went over your head Nope. Anyone who uses the term Woke has drank the kool-aid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 9 hours ago, impulse said: MAGA hats are red. I wonder what color the new MEGA hats will be? (And whether they'll trigger lefty heads to explode on the street like the red ones?) Pink? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 6 hours ago, JonnyF said: Who are these "far right" you speak of? Presumably anyone who isn't a blue haired, gender fluid, Hamas loving, EU worshipping, self loathing, pearl clutching antisemite? 😃 Clueless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 12 hours ago, JonnyF said: Who are these "far right" you speak of? Presumably anyone who isn't a blue haired, gender fluid, Hamas loving, EU worshipping, self loathing, pearl clutching antisemite? 😃 It ain’t the far right we have to worry about ! Its the demonic cult of the violent left! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 On 6/10/2024 at 5:45 PM, BobBKK said: Macron getting defeated is such GOOD NEWS! coupled with the HUGE anti-war protests in Hungary, I do believe that many people are finally waking up to the proxy war! You can fool some of the people some of the time... Unfortunately Macron wasn't defeated. Apparently he remains as president even if the vote goes right wing. In that case he may have a right wing PM. This swing to the right is entirely the fault of the liberals with their loony policies on letting in anyone that turns up on a boat, and other well known stupidities. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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