Southport Stabbing: Child Killed and Several Injured in Taylor Swift-Themed Workshop Attack

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Once again you wrongly accuse me of Islamophobia, and once again I have to remind you that my fear of Islam is nothing to do with any phobia; it is based on a logical, rational consideration of the thousands of terrorist attacks carried out by Islamists. It is based on a fear of the 30 Sharia councils operating with impunity in my country, practicing FGM, honour killings, forced marriages of schoolgirls, and much more.

 

And every time you accuse me of Islamophobia I will remind you that my fear of Islam is not phobia driven in any way.

 

You continually try to shut down any conversation about Islam, and keep parroting the line that it has nothing to do with the subject of this thread; well, you obviously haven't been paying attention, because in the ensuing riots, directly related to the killings, Mosques have been attacked, and Muslims gangs have been attacking white residents in retaliation, so Islam has become very much an integral part of the subject and is not off topic any more than the right wing rioters are.

 

 

Do you mind if I remind you neither Islam nor Muslims had any part in the heinous murder of three children ( the subject of this thread)?

 

 

[youreavinalaff]

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So, can you provide a link to back that claim up ?

I don't think that you will be able to 

No, I can't as I didn't make that comment.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

No, I can't as I didn't make that comment.

 

  I wasn't talking to you though , my post was replying to the poster who made the claim 

[youreavinalaff]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  I wasn't talking to you though , my post was replying to the poster who made the claim 

By cropping others comments you managed to misquote.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

In your earlier comment you asked me for any evidence. I provided a link to an article about FGM on the NHS website; you obviously haven’t read it, or you would not be in any doubt about how serious this illegal procedure is in the UK.

 

 

   Does your web link that that the procedures were carried out in the UK ?

   The were probably carried out abroad 

[Pickwick]

20 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Islamists hang gays from cranes (not in the UK - yet) subjugate women including imprisoning them for incorrectly wearing the hijab (not in the UK) Islamists force female genital mutilation on 12 year old children (in the UK) Islamists force prepubescent schoolgirls to marry old men (in the UK) They practice Sharia law, against UK law, promoting honour killings

You wrote in a previous post that you were well acquainted with Islam  - yet you make no distinction between Islamic and Islamist, extremist and moderate, or majority and minority. You also omit determiners like 'a few' or 'some' when talking about Muslims, which implies - either by accident or by design - that all followers of Islam are supportive of what you write above.

 

There were over 32,000 cases of child abuse in the UK in the last year of available data (2022-23). The previous Tory government (in 2020) released a 2 year report into child grooming gangs that concluded 'group based exploiters of children are most commonly white' and 'there was no credible evidence to suggest one ethnic group was over-represented in the sexual exploitation of children'.

 

In 2022 the Independent Enquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, emphasised failures of the police similar to those failings in the cases of Jimmy Saville and others (primarily that victims were not listened to). The victims in Rochdale were written off by the police as 'lacking in credibility' and 'making life choices'. Horrendous, but not the political correctness gone mad so often repeated by those with an agenda.

 

Sharia Councils in the UK have no legal powers - zero, so they clearly do not 'act with impunity'. They work in the same way as Catholic tribunals and mainly deal with matters like divorce etc. Muslims can voluntarily accept their decisions or not. Cuts in legal aid have made divorce more expensive - especially for non-working females such as housewives - and have seen an increase in Muslim women seeking help from such councils.

 

Forced marriage is another repugnant problem, found in several different religions and ethnic groups around the world. It is illegal in the UK and further laws have been passed also making it illegal to cause a child under 18 to marry, even without coercion. That a small minority of men try to circumvent this (normally to facilitate a visa for the UK) does not make all of Islam complicit and is a world away from 'forcing prepubescent (ages 9-12) schoolgirls to marry (in the UK)'. 

 

17 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

I have explained to you countless times that my fear of Islam is based on sound, logical, and rational thinking;

92% of Islamic fundamentalist terror attacks are against other Muslims. Do you think Muslims fear Islam? Or do you think they fear radical fundamentalism?

 

I cannot agree that what you write is based on sound logic. You take the actions of an extremist minority and paint the majority with the same brush - yet do not apply this to other groups. You then compound this by using highly emotive language and hyperbole.

 

[transam]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Did I tell you that?

 

Link a post of me doing so.

 

Or did you make it up?

Yes you did, and I do not tell lies....☺️

Link, forget it, a while back, but it is true, if you say I am lying, then report me...

 

I have nothing to fear from telling the truth....🤗

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Yes you did, and I do not tell lies....☺️

Link, forget it, a while back, but it is true, if you say I am lying, then report me...

 

I have nothing to fear from telling the truth....🤗

You have less to fear from producing evidence to back up your claims.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You have less to fear from producing evidence to back up your claims.

You said it, chap, how about you admitting it, or have your gray cells taken a hit....

 

Whilst you're here, what do you think of your chums, all masked up, being naughty when there are no far right attackers around, not heard a word from you about that..........?   

[Will B Good]

Have I slipped into a parallel universe?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You said it, chap, how about you admitting it, or have your gray cells taken a hit....

 

Whilst you're here, what do you think of your chums, all masked up, being naughty when there are no far right attackers around, not heard a word from you about that..........?   

‘My chums’ Transam.

 

Am I in for another long day of your troubled troll posts following me around?

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘My chums’ Transam.

 

Am I in for another long day of your troubled troll posts following me around?

Don't like replies from a member with a good memory regarding folk like you.

Sorry about that, but you and yours created the UK problem, now you and yours are paying for it, nooooooooo hiding place for you and yours.....😉

[Will B Good]

Cream of the crop.....some of England's finest.....the last one is a definite keeper.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Don't like replies from a member with a good memory regarding folk like you.

Sorry about that, but you and yours created the UK problem, now you and yours are paying for it, nooooooooo hiding place for you and yours.....😉

I like claims to be backed with credible links.

 

[rocketboy2]

 

Well, Nice to see some good news for the uk.

 

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, rocketboy2 said:

 

Well, Nice to see some good news for the uk.

 

Looking forward to your explanation how this is related to a stabbing of 3 kids in Southport.

[ChipButty]

[rocketboy2]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Looking forward to your explanation how this is related to a stabbing of 3 kids in Southport.

 

Though it would be nice to have some good news,  on this thread, as it seams to have gone way off topic.

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, rocketboy2 said:

 

Though it would be nice to have some good news,  on this thread, as it seams to have gone way off topic.

 

 

Watch this and cheer yourself up.....

 

https://x.com/dachshundcolin/status/1820861945920315798?s=48&t=rg_oYaHHWarO1vpZ9RPi4g

 

[tonbridgebrit]

6 hours ago, Will B Good said:

Have I slipped into a parallel universe?

This is how most people feel.  Far right, or whatever people want to call them, make up a minority.  

[tonbridgebrit]

6 hours ago, transam said:

Don't like replies from a member with a good memory regarding folk like you.

Sorry about that, but you and yours created the UK problem, now you and yours are paying for it, nooooooooo hiding place for you and yours.....😉

Last night, as in Wednesday night, in England, mass gatherings did take place.  Loads of people who are anti-racist turned up in various places, to do counter demonstrations against the far right. But far right groups were massively outnumbered, or far right groups weren't there at all.

You created the UK problem ? You and yours have no hiding place ?  I suggest you look at anti-immigrant groups, far right, and other such groups. The people who are against the right wing racists make up the majority. It's the far right who are outnumbered, and have nowhere to go and nowhere to hide.  Those who have something against an increasing number of coloureds in Britain will simply have to tolerate and accept it. And those who threw stuff at police, there's nowhere to hide. They are being punished by the law, British law.

[transam]

1 minute ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Last night, as in Wednesday night, in England, mass gatherings did take place.  Loads of people who are anti-racist turned up in various places, to do counter demonstrations against the far right. But far right groups were massively outnumbered, or far right groups weren't there at all.

You created the UK problem ? You and yours have no hiding place ?  I suggest you look at anti-immigrant groups, far right, and other such groups. The people who are against the right wing racists make up the majority. It's the far right who are outnumbered, and have nowhere to go and nowhere to hide.  Those who have something against an increasing number of coloureds in Britain will simply have to tolerate and accept it. And those who threw stuff at police, there's nowhere to hide. They are being punished by the law, British law.

Most are against the "right wing" yobs, me too, I refer to them as just that, yobs, brainless Brits, but, that has nothing to do with mass immigration, which is stifling many countries for being "nice"...

 

The UK is not alone with the big immigration problem, many are not mixing and  towns turned into their own ghetto's. Germany, Denmark and others all have the spongers moving in, 99% financial immigrants..

 

Thailand is basically a Buddhist nation, children are taught from a very early age the rituals, I know, and no doubt the same thing happens in the Muslim community.

 

I was brought up in a Christian UK, religion reigned way back then, but thankfully that seems to have now gone, but not the Muslims, after all, their book has stated, Christians are the enemy, hmmmm, I wonder why they come to Christian countries then, can you answer that...?  🤔

[josephbloggs]

On 8/7/2024 at 9:28 PM, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Once again you wrongly accuse me of Islamophobia, and once again I have to remind you that my fear of Islam is nothing to do with any phobia; it is based on a logical, rational consideration of the thousands of terrorist attacks carried out by Islamists. It is based on a fear of the 30 Sharia councils operating with impunity in my country, practicing FGM, honour killings, forced marriages of schoolgirls, and much more.

 

And every time you accuse me of Islamophobia I will remind you that my fear of Islam is not phobia driven in any way.

 

You continually try to shut down any conversation about Islam, and keep parroting the line that it has nothing to do with the subject of this thread; well, you obviously haven't been paying attention, because in the ensuing riots, directly related to the killings, Mosques have been attacked, and Muslims gangs have been attacking white residents in retaliation, so Islam has become very much an integral part of the subject and is not off topic any more than the right wing rioters are.

 

 

Be afraid, be very afraid. Terrifying people.

 

 

[James105]

53 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Be afraid, be very afraid. Terrifying people.

 

 

 

Be afraid, be very afraid. Terrifying people.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

28 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Be afraid, be very afraid. Terrifying people.

 

 

Yet more whataboutary.

 

Anything and everything to deflect from the fact it’s the rightwing thugs who in response to the heinous murder of three children set about destroying property, looting businesses, acts of arson, attacking a completely innocent community and violently assaulting the police.

 

Not surprise at all that so many of these rightwing rioters already had previous criminal records.

 

 

[James105]

55 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yet more whataboutary.

 

Anything and everything to deflect from the fact it’s the rightwing thugs who in response to the heinous murder of three children set about destroying property, looting businesses, acts of arson, attacking a completely innocent community and violently assaulting the police.

 

Not surprise at all that so many of these rightwing rioters already had previous criminal records.

 

 

 

I was responding to someone else's whataboutery.  Maybe take it up with who I was responding to.   

[BarraMarra]

These Anti Racists demos seem to be what the Government want us to see not the Muslim gangs rampaging in Bradistan or in Birmingham screaming Allah Akbar. How come all of a sudden we are welcoming Refugees ? What message is this sending to the illegals waiting for transportation across the Channel, will they be thinking " Oh look we are welcome " thousands are telling us we are welcome. Also the old BLM and Free Palestine rent a mob have joined in wake up People can't you see we are fighting for our Country  before it becomes an Islamic state.

[josephbloggs]

12 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

These Anti Racists demos seem to be what the Government want us to see not the Muslim gangs rampaging in Bradistan or in Birmingham screaming Allah Akbar. How come all of a sudden we are welcoming Refugees ? What message is this sending to the illegals waiting for transportation across the Channel, will they be thinking " Oh look we are welcome " thousands are telling us we are welcome. Also the old BLM and Free Palestine rent a mob have joined in wake up People can't you see we are fighting for our Country  before it becomes an Islamic state.

You really do come up with some tripe.

[BarraMarra]

This is what we have to put up with. Mobs like this protesting about a film.

 

[BarraMarra]

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

You really do come up with some tripe.

Take your blinkers off.