Southport Stabbing: Child Killed and Several Injured in Taylor Swift-Themed Workshop Attack

[brewsterbudgen]

30 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

He pled guilty.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y7g01682go

 

 

Buried under the media storm re. the Trump inauguration, naturally. 

Yes, and he will rightly be jailed for life.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes, and he will rightly be jailed for life.

Will he? 

[brewsterbudgen]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Will he? 

 

I would expect so.  It's mandatory for murder.  I guess there might some hope of future release bearing in mind his age (see Jamie Bulger's murderers) but in the current climate I would say, and hope, life will be life.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

I would expect so.  It's mandatory for murder.  I guess there might some hope of future release bearing in mind his age (see Jamie Bulger's murderers) but in the current climate I would say, and hope, life will be life.

Ah ok its just good to see you are so confident, I'd rather wait for the outcome first.

 

12 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes, and he will rightly be jailed for life.

 

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes, and he will rightly be jailed for life.

 

Not necessarily.

 

This is the UK "justice" system we are talking about. 

[norfolkandchance]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Will he? 

Yes. With a minimum sentence. He can't be given a 'whole life sentence' as he's under 21.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, norfolkandchance said:

Yes. With a minimum sentence. He is not under 21.

Another one with a crystal ball. I hope you are right but its not like stranger things do not happen, its all over the media

[JonnyF]

18 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes, and he will rightly be jailed for life.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y7g01682go

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y7g01682go

 

 

I wrote "jailed for life" - i.e. a life sentence.  I understand that his age is likely to prevent a whole life term, like with Jamie Bulger's killers who I referred to. 

[Neeranam]

11 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

I would expect so.  It's mandatory for murder.  I guess there might some hope of future release bearing in mind his age (see Jamie Bulger's murderers) but in the current climate I would say, and hope, life will be life.

I expect he will be killed in prison, and most won't shed a tear.

[norfolkandchance]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Another one with a crystal ball. I hope you are right but its not like stranger things do not happen, its all over the media

What Crystal Ball. Suggest you check the Law.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I wrote "jailed for life" - i.e. a life sentence.  I understand that his age is likely to prevent a whole life term, like with Jamie Bulger's killers who I referred to. 

 

So not jailed for life then. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, norfolkandchance said:

What Crystal Ball. Suggest you check the Law.

I will wait for the outcome of the case, thanks, I don't do crystal balls

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I expect he will be killed in prison, and most won't shed a tear.

 

Probably be a hero to all the gangs of other terrorists in there.

[norfolkandchance]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Another one with a crystal ball. I hope you are right but its not like stranger things do not happen, its all over the media

Typo. My mistake. Should have read 'under 21'.

[brewsterbudgen]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

So not jailed for life then. 

 

I suspect you're not familiar with UK law, so here's some help:

"A life sentence in the UK means that a person will spend the rest of their life in prison or on license in the community. The length of time served in prison depends on the minimum term set by the judge and whether the offender is granted parole."

[norfolkandchance]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I will wait for the outcome of the case, thanks, I don't do crystal balls

Get back to us on Thursday when he is sentenced.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, norfolkandchance said:

Get back to us on Thursday when he is sentenced.

I'm not the one making predictions, you get back if you like. 

 

On Thursday apparently 

[JonnyF]

14 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

I suspect you're not familiar with UK law, so here's some help:

"A life sentence in the UK means that a person will spend the rest of their life in prison or on license in the community. The length of time served in prison depends on the minimum term set by the judge and whether the offender is granted parole."

 

I understand the terminology.

 

It is misleading.

 

"Jailed for life" does not mean you will actually be jailed for life.

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

12 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I understand the terminology.

 

It is misleading.

 

"Jailed for life" does not mean you will actually be jailed for life.

 

 

Correct.  

[Neeranam]

33 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Probably be a hero to all the gangs of other terrorists in there.

Is he a terrorist?

The killer of him would be a hero to all inmates I think. 

[Neeranam]

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I understand the terminology.

 

It is misleading.

 

"Jailed for life" does not mean you will actually be jailed for life.

 

 

It could be, the judge can give a whole life order

[James105]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

It could be, the judge can give a whole life order

 

No, he cannot.  If he gives a sentence he is not allowed to give then it is grounds for appeal and would be overturned.   Just like the Bulger killers he will be released at some point and given anonymity and a new identity so he can live a life that he took away from 3 little girls.   

[Neeranam]

39 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

No, he cannot.  If he gives a sentence he is not allowed to give then it is grounds for appeal and would be overturned.   Just like the Bulger killers he will be released at some point and given anonymity and a new identity so he can live a life that he took away from 3 little girls.   

Wow, because of his age?

[JonnyF]

Funny how the BBC are so quick to mention that this monster of a child killer was "from Lancashire".

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y7g01682go

 

 

Yet on the same page, all round nice guy and England international Cole Palmer was somehow "Made in the Caribbean" because he has a grandfather from St.Kitts who came over in the 1960's. 😄

 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/extra/en7wd155d9/cole-palmer-made-in-the-caribbean

 

 

Gotta love the BBC and their narratives. I wonder when they will be running their "Made in Rwanda" story on Rudakubana? 

 

Oh that's right - they won't. 

 

Their double standards are breathtaking. 

 

 

[James105]

31 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Wow, because of his age?

 

Apparently so.  If I was in charge he would already be executed for this atrocity.   I see no purpose in keeping him alive at great expense to the taxpayer.  He will be a permanent drain on resources for however long he lives, and I don't even think he should have any right to any kind of life at all after taking it away from 3 little girls.   In all likelihood he will commit a similar atrocity if he is released in future as he will be revered by his fellow Islamists in jail and be further radicalized.   

[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

He pled guilty.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y7g01682go

 

 

Buried under the media storm re. the Trump inauguration, naturally. 

Jonny and his completely imagined paranoid fantasies again. It was hardly "buried". It was up there as a breaking news story at the top of the home page yesterday, and today is still right there on the home page as main news. Get over yourself.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Jonny's and his paranoid fantasies again. It was hardly "buried". It was up there as a breaking news story at the top of the home page yesterday, and today is still right there on the home page as main news. Get over yourself.

 

You have to scroll down about 3 pages to see it, and even then there is no picture (for obvious reasons) and they refer to him as an "18 year old" before mentioning the riots. The only surprise is they omitted the phrase "far right thugs" from the headline.  

 

Less important than weight loss drugs apparently. 

 

[josephbloggs]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

You have to scroll down about 3 pages to see it, and even then there is no picture (for obvious reasons) and they refer to him as an "18 year old" before mentioning the riots. The only surprise is they omitted the phrase "far right thugs" from the headline.  

 

Less important than weight loss drugs apparently. 

 

Home page. Two stories about it  right there- including a prominent picture - and a story right there critical of Starmer's judgement. All on the main home page, no scrolling required. 

But yeah, something something weight loss, something something BBC burying it, something something three pages down.

Get over yourself, your imagination really is out of control. Going through life with that amount of paranoia and constant imagined grievance must be exhausting. 

 

[JonnyF]

6 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Home page. Two stories about it  right there- including a prominent picture - and a story right there critical of Starmer's judgement. All on the main home page, no scrolling required. 

But yeah, something something weight loss, something something BBC burying it, something something three pages down.

Get over yourself, your imagination really is out of control. Going through life with that amount of paranoia and constant imagined grievance must be exhausting. 

 

 

Nice puff piece in there with the obligatory "first day at school" picture. 😄