A Nation in Crisis: The Erosion of Respect for Law and Order in the UK

[mogandave]

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So why did he plead guilty?

Maybe he didn’t have the funds to fight it and figured the guilty plea was his best bet.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, mogandave said:

Maybe he didn’t have the funds to fight it and figured the guilty plea was his best bet.

Maybe he knew the prosecutor had the receipts.

 

 

[mogandave]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Maybe he knew the prosecutor had the receipts.

 

 

You mean the guy with the state behind him such that he has unlimited time and money and nothing to lose, that guy?

[proton]

On 8/14/2024 at 6:55 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO that is 100% correct and it dates back to Thatcher using the cops to destroy the British mining industry.

IMO only the law abiding fear the police, and I doubt many have any actual respect for them, other than the TV version, as in "why can't real cops be like them?".

 

Nonsense she was only continuing what Labour started, Labour closed more mines than Thatcher did.

[JonnyF]

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So why did he plead guilty?

 

Pressured by the stasi I'd imagine. Threats of a long sentence, long late night interviews, limited knowledge of the law, fear. They always go after low hanging fruit.

 

Seriously, the guy asked a question on FaceBook. Essentially, what's going to happen when they get here? It's the type of thing that an audience member on Question Time would ask the panel i.e. where are they going to live, where are the jobs going to come from, can the NHS cope? 

 

He didn't riot. He didn't throw bricks. He didn't even leave his house. 

 

You support jail time for that? Absolutely shameful. "Liberal" obviously has a very different meaning these days. Just lock up anyone who voices concerns about immigration levels. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, mogandave said:

You mean the guy with the state behind him such that he has unlimited time and money and nothing to lose, that guy?

The guy prosecuting on behalf of the victims of the far right rioters, that guy.

[Chomper Higgot]

53 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Pressured by the stasi I'd imagine. Threats of a long sentence, long late night interviews, limited knowledge of the law, fear. They always go after low hanging fruit.

 

Seriously, the guy asked a question on FaceBook. Essentially, what's going to happen when they get here? It's the type of thing that an audience member on Question Time would ask the panel i.e. where are they going to live, where are the jobs going to come from, can the NHS cope? 

 

He didn't riot. He didn't throw bricks. He didn't even leave his house. 

 

You support jail time for that? Absolutely shameful. "Liberal" obviously has a very different meaning these days. Just lock up anyone who voices concerns about immigration levels. 

 

 

Yet more of your fabricated nonsense.

 

Stasi, what are on about?

Long late night interviews, have you been watching too many late night movies.

 

He pleaded guilty to breach of 127(1) of the Communications Act and was sentenced under 127(3) of the same Act.

 

The targets of his hate mongering were Asians and Immigrants.

 

While he’s rotting in his cell he can ponder his actions and consider he’s also certainly lost the security clearance he needed to work at Sellafield, one of the best paying work sites in the UK.

 

Do not the Stasi Jonny, just a racist armchair warrior that you chose to defend.

 

 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127

 

 

Edited August 22 by Chomper Higgot

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yet more of your fabricated nonsense.

 

Stasi, what are on about?

Long late night interviews, have you been watching too many late night movies.

 

He pleaded guilty to breach of 127(1) of the Communications Act and was sentenced under 127(3) of the same Act.

 

The targets of his hate mongering were Asias and Immigrants.

 

While he’s rotting in his cell he can ponder his actions and consider he’s also certainly lost the security clearance he needed to work at Sellafield, one of the best paying work sites in the UK.

 

Do not the Stasi Jonny, just a racist armchair warrior that you chose to defend.

 

 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127

 

He wasn't' "hating" he was expressing concerns about levels of immigration. From his own home on FaceBook. Re-read the actual posts, there is no racist language.

 

The left just define it as "hate" to justify locking up people who disagree with their policies. It's a method to silence people. Nothing more.

 

The fact that you defend the suppression of human rights and freedom of speech is no surprise though. It's the left's M.O and has been for decades.  

 

Instead of addressing ths issues associated with the failed policies, they lock up people who draw attention to the issues. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

He wasn't' "hating" he was expressing concerns about levels of immigration. From his own home on FaceBook. Re-read the actual posts, there is no racist language.

 

The left just define it as "hate" to justify locking up people who disagree with their policies. It's a method to silence people. Nothing more.

 

The fact that you defend the suppression of human rights and freedom of speech is no surprise though. It's the left's M.O and has been for decades.  

 

Instead of addressing ths issues associated with the failed policies, they lock up people who draw attention to the issues. 

No he was not.

 

He has pleaded guilt to breach of 127 (1) of the Communications Act 2003.

 

Stop gaslighting.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No he was not.

 

He has pleaded guilt to breach of 127 (1) of the Communications Act 2003.

 

Stop gaslighting.

 

Yes he was.

 

Just because an uneducated individual pleads guilty does not mean they are actually guilty. Coerced confessions are common. 

 

By your reckoning Huwe Burton should have been locked up for life. Many other famous cases of coerced confessions. Had he been more aware of the law he would never had confessed to anything since his posts were ill judged but pretty innocuous - but that's why they go after the low hanging fruit. 

 

The fact you support lengthy jail terms being rushed through the courts in a matter of days for such unremarkable posts on FaceBook says as much about you as it does the UK legal system. 

 

 

[josephbloggs]

On 8/14/2024 at 9:18 PM, Bday Prang said:

but its not just Nigel Farage or the "far right"  is it ?    

https://www.gbnews.com/news/uk-riots-ex-cop-says-two-tier-policing-certainly-exists-and-officers-walk-on-eggshells

Yeah, because an anonymous caller on a right wing TV channel said so. Must be true.

Do you people just believe anything you see? I mean obviously, yes, and it explains why Yaxley-Lennon and Farage are so rich. 

[josephbloggs]

19 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Totally agree. They are ignoring/refusing to discuss the underlying problems and simply going after the people who speak out about it. 

 

Ah yes, "speaking out about it" by throwing bricks at police, smashing up shops and looting them, setting fire to hotels with the intention of killing the asylum seekers inside. Speaking out, I see. Yeah, it is really harsh to be going after those speaker outers.

[josephbloggs]

19 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

People have been jailed for FB posts, for asking who is Allah (I wasn't aware we now had blasphemy laws in the UK but there you go).

Who was jailed for asking "who is Allah"?

Come on, if you want to debate with adults please do so reasonably and don't make up ridiculous nonsense as it doesn't help your case. Or did Tommy say someone was jailed merely for asking who Allah was and you naturally believed him? Otherwise where do you get this nonsense?

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ah yes, "speaking out about it" by throwing bricks at police, smashing up shops and looting them, setting fire to hotels with the intention of killing the asylum seekers inside. Speaking out, I see. Yeah, it is really harsh to be going after those speaker outers.

 

We are discussing the guy who was jailed for a FB post.

 

He didn't even leave his house let alone riot. 

 

Do try to keep up. 

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Who was jailed for asking "who is Allah"?

 

Dave Spring. 61 years old. Chanted "who the F is Allah?".

 

18 months in jail. For singing a rude song. 

 

4 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Come on, if you want to debate with adults please do so reasonably and don't make up ridiculous nonsense as it doesn't help your case. Or did Tommy say someone was jailed merely for asking who Allah was and you naturally believed him? Otherwise where do you get this nonsense?

 

https://decripto.org/en/uk-arrests-shouts-who-the-<deleted>-is-allah-at-demonstration-in-london-pensioner-sentenced-to-18-months-in-prison/

 

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Dave Spring. 61 years old. Chanted "who the F is Allah?".

 

18 months in jail. For singing a rude song. 

 

 

https://decripto.org/en/uk-arrests-shouts-who-the-<deleted>-is-allah-at-demonstration-in-london-pensioner-sentenced-to-18-months-in-prison/

 

Oh dear. He wasn't jailed for singing a rude song was he. Where do you dream this stuff up? Or who tells you what to think? Is it Tommy?

He was jailed because he plead guilty to violent disorder and there was video evidence to support it.  He also later admitted he was ashamed and embarrassed by his actions. Anyway he's got plenty of time to reflect on that now, and hopefully it will deter more yobs in future.

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Oh dear. He wasn't jailed for singing a rude song was he. Where do you dream this stuff up? Or who tells you what to think? Is it Tommy?

He was jailed because he plead guilty to violent disorder and there was video evidence to support it.  He also later admitted he was ashamed and embarrassed by his actions. Anyway he's got plenty of time to reflect on that now, and hopefully it will deter more yobs in future.

 

No he didn't.

 

He chanted a rude song. Quite offensive actually. But being offensive is not an offense. Britain does not have blasphemy laws.

 

If you have evidence of any physical violence, please post it. 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes he was.

 

Just because an uneducated individual pleads guilty does not mean they are actually guilty. Coerced confessions are common. 

 

By your reckoning Huwe Burton should have been locked up for life. Many other famous cases of coerced confessions. Had he been more aware of the law he would never had confessed to anything since his posts were ill judged but pretty innocuous - but that's why they go after the low hanging fruit. 

 

The fact you support lengthy jail terms being rushed through the courts in a matter of days for such unremarkable posts on FaceBook says as much about you as it does the UK legal system. 

 

 

He had a right to legal representation.

 

If you have evidence that he was coerced please provide it. 
 

His posts were not ‘unremarkable’ they were in breach of 127 (1) of the Communications Act, they also targeted Asians, demonstrating his racist intent.

 

 

Edited August 22 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Ah yes, "speaking out about it" by throwing bricks at police, smashing up shops and looting them, setting fire to hotels with the intention of killing the asylum seekers inside. Speaking out, I see. Yeah, it is really harsh to be going after those speaker outers.

And directing hate towards immigrants.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

We are discussing the guy who was jailed for a FB post.

 

He didn't even leave his house let alone riot. 

 

Do try to keep up. 

He wasn’t jailed for a Facebook post.

 

He was jailed for multiple posts in breach of 127 (1) of the Communications act.

 

The fact that he may not have left his house to do so is an utter irrelevance.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

No he didn't.

 

He chanted a rude song. Quite offensive actually. But being offensive is not an offense. Britain does not have blasphemy laws.

 

If you have evidence of any physical violence, please post it. 

Your latest martyr was not jailed for singing a song, he pleaded guilt to and was sentenced to prison for Violent Disorder.

 

“David Spring, 61, of Sutton, pleaded guilty to violent disorder and was sentenced to 18 months’ imprisonment at Inner London Crown Court on August 13, 2024. Spring was part of a 700-strong group who wreaked havoc in Whitehall on July 31. Members of the group ignored a police cordon and moved on to assault and spit at officers who were in attendance.”

 

https://www.cps.gov.uk/london-north/news/crown-prosecution-service-pan-london-and-hate-crime-scrutiny-panel-joint#:~:text=David Spring%2C 61%2C of Sutton,in Whitehall on July 31.

[Tiger1980]

On 8/21/2024 at 7:31 AM, youreavinalaff said:

I don't think anyone is talking about Denmark.

 

Besides, you've not published data regarding how many of those who break the law are taxpayers.

 

Your figures are also 2 years out of date.

So you think the situation has improved over the last two years, amazing.

[youreavinalaff]

41 minutes ago, Tiger1980 said:

So you think the situation has improved over the last two years, amazing.

I didn't say that.

 

I questioned the relevance of the post and missing information.