Zelensky to Putin: War is Coming Home

[Jingthing]

What is Kyiv's plan in doing this?

It's definitely not easily apparent to casual observers.

Some interesting theories from a credible source.

 

 

Edited August 15 by Jingthing

[Cameroni]

25 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What is Kyiv's plan in doing this?

 

It's very obvious, there are a number of objectives:

 

1) Since Ukraine's military was losing on the real fronts quite badly they wanted to raise moral by showing they can strike big in Russia itself.

 

2) Russia continues to sell gas to Europe and this gas goes through Kursk. One objective was to sabotage this source of income for Russia. This has failed according to the most recent reports in Russia.

 

3) Ukraine was hoping that Putin draws experienced troops from the main fronts and deploys them in Kursk instead. Again this has failed as Putin has only diverted troops from lesser combat areas.

 

4)  Ukraine had the misguided idea that attacking civilians would ferment revolt and interior unrest, stoking oppostion to Putin. Again, this has failed

 

5)  Zelesky realised he has to accept a negtioated peace soon, and wanted to get some territory to improve his negotiation position.

 

Basically though,it was an act of desperation, since UKraine had run out of options in the main militar theatre. We have seen this in the past when countries facing a numerically superior army decide to strike at civilians instead.

 

Obvioiusly they cannot seriously hope to hold these meaningless villages for longer than a few months at best. Overwhelming Russian numbers will soon defeat the Kursk invaders. They know this and have been running and hiding, like in real guerilla warfare, evading fights with Russian brigades that have now poured into the region.

 

 

Edited August 15 by Cameroni

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It's very obvious, there are a number of objectives:

 

1) Since Ukraine's military was losing on the real fronts quite badly they wanted to raise moral by showing they can strike big in Russia itself.

 

2) Russia continues to sell gas to Europe and this gas goes through Kursk. One objective was to sabotage this source of income for Russia. This has failed according to the most recent reports in Russia.

 

3) Ukraine was hoping that Putin draws experienced troops from the main fronts and deploys them in Kursk instead. Again this has failed as Putin has only diverted troops from lesser combat areas.

 

4)  Ukraine had the misguided idea that attacking civilians would ferment revolt and interior unrest, stoking oppostion to Putin. Again, this has failed

 

5)  Zelesky realised he has to accept a negtioated peace soon, and wanted to get some territory to improve his negotiation position.

 

Basically tough,it was an act of desperation, since UKraine had run out of options in the main militar theatre. We have seen this in the past when countries facing a numerically superior army decide to strike at civilians instead.

 

Obvioiusly they cannot seriously hope to hold these meaningless villages for longer than a few months at best. Overwhelming Russian numbers will soon defeat the Kursk invaders. They know this and have been running and hiding, like in real guerilla warfare, evading fights with Russian brigades that have now poured into the region.

 

 

What's very obvious actually is that you're carrying water for genocidal war criminal Putin.

[NowNow]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What is Kyiv's plan in doing this?

It's definitely not easily apparent to casual observers.

Some interesting theories from a credible source.

 

 

 

It's 'interesting' that the Germans have pointedly spoken about negotiating with Putin's successor. That partly explains the panicked shuffling. Again, always interesting to see the replies of the two dimensional posters who think they know it all.

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What's very obvious actually is that you're carrying water for genocidal war criminal Putin.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to discuss the question seriously. My bad. I see you have no real points to make.

[NowNow]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to discuss the question seriously. My bad. I see you have no real points to make.

 

He doesn't need to discuss your theories. Just wait and see.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to discuss the question seriously. My bad. I see you have no real points to make.

You're no more sorry than the Russian dictator who came into power with a terrorist attack on Russian civilians for the damage he's done to his own people, never mind Ukrainians. On the other hand that moron believes Ukrainians ARE Russians. 

[NowNow]

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to discuss the question seriously. My bad. I see you have no real points to make.

 

You might even get to see who really believes in Putin's Russia and who wants to be independent. Talking about it here won't make any difference to the outcome.

[Cameroni]

Konstantin Samoilov is a "Survival University Teacher". After serving in the military for several years, he discovered his latent magical abilities and was recruited to the Grand Lodge.

 

https://wodoneshot.fandom.com/wiki/Konstantin_Samoilov

 

Yup, sounds like a great source on the military developments, good job, Jinthing. 😂

 

 

[transam]

On 8/14/2024 at 3:39 PM, jas007 said:

At some point, if these attacks on Russia continue and if Russia deems them to pose a threat to their country, both Ukraine and much of the rest of Europe will find out the hard way that attacking Russia was a very bad idea.  
 

Apparently, NATO is heavily involved in the recent incursions into Russia.  Anyway, it will all end badly if it doesn’t stop soon.

"Apparently"...............🤣

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Konstantin Samoilov is a "Survival University Teacher". After serving in the military for several years, he discovered his latent magical abilities and was recruited to the Grand Lodge.

 

https://wodoneshot.fandom.com/wiki/Konstantin_Samoilov

 

Yup, sounds like a great source on the military developments, good job, Jinthing. 😂

 

 

Bizarre post. What kind of sick game are you playing? Entirely different person. 

[Jingthing]

On 8/14/2024 at 3:39 PM, jas007 said:

At some point, if these attacks on Russia continue and if Russia deems them to pose a threat to their country, both Ukraine and much of the rest of Europe will find out the hard way that attacking Russia was a very bad idea.  
 

Apparently, NATO is heavily involved in the recent incursions into Russia.  Anyway, it will all end badly if it doesn’t stop soon.

That is the garbage propaganda line being pushed on Russian state tv (and you believe it!). 

[transam]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The Russian response seems missing at present, but IMO they are allowing them to advance and then cut off their supply line, which effectively means the end of the incursion. Anyway, that's what I'd do.

The Western Putin supporter expert talks.........😂

[transam]

2 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 
You don't get it, do you?  it is not about Putin there are far tougher leaders waiting to take the reigns should he die. Be careful what you wish for.

I thought Putin "deleted" them...........🤭

[NowNow]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Konstantin Samoilov is a "Survival University Teacher". After serving in the military for several years, he discovered his latent magical abilities and was recruited to the Grand Lodge.

 

https://wodoneshot.fandom.com/wiki/Konstantin_Samoilov

 

Yup, sounds like a great source on the military developments, good job, Jinthing. 😂

 

 

 

Impressed by the quality of your research 😊 You should take a break.

[Cameroni]

10 minutes ago, NowNow said:

 

You might even get to see who really believes in Putin's Russia and who wants to be independent. Talking about it here won't make any difference to the outcome.

 

If Ukraine wants to be independent it has to stop poking Russia in the eye with a stick. If you are a neighbour of a country like Russia, then you have to take into account Russian interests. Just as if you live next to America you have to take into account American interests, as Panama found out.

 

This is just the reality. Independence is all very well, but you can't antagonize countries like Russia, if you're a small neighbour. It's just no a wise way to ensure your independence.

Edited August 15 by Cameroni

[Jingthing]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The Russian response seems missing at present, but IMO they are allowing them to advance and then cut off their supply line, which effectively means the end of the incursion. Anyway, that's what I'd do.

Maybe you should contact your amigos in the Kremlin and share your great insights.

[NowNow]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

The Western Putin supporter expert talks.........😂

 

He's seriously disillusioned with his life and shouldn't be taken seriously.

[NowNow]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

If Ukraine wants to be independent it has to stop poking Russia in the eye with a stick. If you are a neighbour of a county like Russia, then you have to take into account Russian interests. Just as if you ilve next to America you have to take into account American interests, as Panama found out.

 

This is just the reality. Independence is all very well, but you can't antagonize countries like Russia, if you're a small neighbour. It's just no a wise way to ensure your independence.

 

 

Oh...you assumed that I was referring to Ukraine. Two dimensional thinking. You should take a rest from this.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

If Ukraine wants to be independent it has to stop poking Russia in the eye with a stick. If you are a neighbour of a county like Russia, then you have to take into account Russian interests. Just as if you ilve next to America you have to take into account American interests, as Panama found out.

 

This is just the reality. Independence is all very well, but you can't antagonize countries like Russia, if you're a small neighbour. It's just no a wise way to ensure your independence.

You've got to be joking.

Putin has no interest in Ukraine ever being independent. Period. End of story.

You're suggesting if Ukrainians act like good little slaves, he might let them. 

[transam]

Just now, NowNow said:

 

He's seriously disillusioned with his life and shouldn't be taken seriously.

I think more a nutter, a few show up on the Ukraine threads, supporting Putin, and they are from the West.......🤔

[Lacessit]

44 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 Heroes - they defend Mother Russia. All this silly excursion will do is unite even the critics to fight. Russia is a hardened beast when woken up - ask the Germans.

You are not much of a history student. Russia probably would have collapsed if not for the Atlantic supply convoys, and the opening of other fronts by the Allies. Stalin had purged the entire officer corps in 1936. He was planning to retreat behind the Urals. After the war was over, Russian soldiers captured by the Germans committed suicide rather than be sent back to Russia. They knew what was awaiting them.

 

This time, it's corruption. It's estimated Shoigu has pocketed a lot of the military budget. Trucks with rotting tires, soldiers with flak jackets made out of cardboard. Morale is terrible.

 

The excursion is smart, not silly. It gives Putin a propaganda black eye, diverts troops needed on the front lines, and the Ukrainians can play merry hell with logistical hubs.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, transam said:

I think more a nutter, a few show up on the Ukraine threads, supporting Putin, and they are from the West.......🤔

Even funnier the denials of Putin poodledom. 

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You've got to be joking.

Putin has no interest in Ukraine ever being independent. Period. End of story.

You're suggesting if Ukrainians act like good little slaves, he might let them. 

 

You're wrong. Putin has no problem with Ukraine being independent, all he wants is a Russian friendly neighbour. Not a pro-American neigbour.

 

Ukrainians don't have to be "slaves". But if they think they can be cheerleaders for America, join NATO, well obviously this is not taking account of Russian interests. If you are a small neighbour of Russia, then you have to take into account Russian interests. Same if you are a small neighbour of America, as Panama found out.

[NowNow]

1 minute ago, transam said:

I think more a nutter, a few show up on the Ukraine threads, supporting Putin, and they are from the West.......🤔

 

Sucking off the tit of the west but traitorous indeed. He should head over to Russia to see how he likes it there.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

You're wrong. Putin has no problem with Ukraine being independent, all he wants is a Russian friendly neighbour. Not a pro-American neigbour.

 

Ukrainians don't have to be "slaves". But if they think they can be cheerleaders for America, join NATO, well obviously this is not taking account of Russian interests. If you are a small neighbour of Russia, then you have to take into account Russian interests. Same if you are a small neighbour of America, as Panama found out.

I can't take you seriously. It's obvious that you haven't even read what the Russians have openly admitted about what they really think about Ukraine.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

You're wrong. Putin has no problem with Ukraine being independent, all he wants is a Russian friendly neighbour. Not a pro-American neigbour.

 

Ukrainians don't have to be "slaves". But if they think they can be cheerleaders for America, join NATO, well obviously this is not taking account of Russian interests. If you are a small neighbour of Russia, then you have to take into account Russian interests. Same if you are a small neighbour of America, as Panama found out.

I don't know you can equate the two. Noriega was a drug trafficker and dictator, Ukraine is a democracy.

 

Russian "interests" are in getting the Soviet Union back, Putin has repeatedly said so. That ship sailed long ago.

[transam]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

 Heroes - they defend Mother Russia. All this silly excursion will do is unite even the critics to fight. Russia is a hardened beast when woken up - ask the Germans.

The British wannabe Russian speaks...........😂

 

Go read a WWII history book...........🙄

 

You are always wrong, but Russia "NEEDS YOU", now, get your bags packed, off you go, no good spouting your stuff to us lot, get over there......😉

 

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

You're wrong. Putin has no problem with Ukraine being independent, all he wants is a Russian friendly neighbour. Not a pro-American neigbour.

 

Ukrainians don't have to be "slaves". But if they think they can be cheerleaders for America, join NATO, well obviously this is not taking account of Russian interests. If you are a small neighbour of Russia, then you have to take into account Russian interests. Same if you are a small neighbour of America, as Panama found out.

Hold tight, this is a little primer operation before Ukraine takes back Crimea

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