4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump couldn't get our troops out of Afghanistan.

 

He left the hard work to Biden.

 

I realise you think that by posing as a lefty and saying ridiculous things you think you're helping Trump, but this one is so daft that it kind of blows your cover...

Just now, BangkokReady said:

 

I realise you think that by posing as a lefty and saying ridiculous things you think you're helping Trump, but this one is so daft that it kind of blows your cover...

In your mind, do you believe that Trump was able to get our troops out of Afghanistan? 

 

Over 40 servicemen died in Afghanistan under Trump, since he couldn't be bothered to get them out.

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I realise you think that by posing as a lefty and saying ridiculous things you think you're helping Trump, but this one is so daft that it kind of blows your cover...

 

Let's hear your interpretation; why didn't trump get US troops out of Afghanistan?

Just now, Danderman123 said:

In your mind, do you believe that Trump was able to get our troops out of Afghanistan? 

 

Over 40 servicemen died in Afghanistan under Trump, since he couldn't be bothered to get them out.

 

You're serious?  Biden made a terrible job of withdrawing from Afghanistan.  I can't believe you're bringing that up like it's something that makes Trump look bad.  🤦‍♂️

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump gave a massive tax cut to billionaires.

Trump gave tax cuts that stimulated the economy and worked !!

 

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Trump couldn't get our troops out of Afghanistan.

 

He left the hard work to Biden.

Trump was told of the downsides to try and move the troops out quickly, so he commenced the negotiations with the Taliban. Once Biden was elected he threw out Trump's negotiated deal and the Taliban retaliated and started to take over because they knew Biden would not do anything about it (unlike Trump who destroyed ISIS).  Then Biden tried to get them out quickly, and ignored the military's advice not to do that.  The deaths and destruction that happened are all on Biden - and Harris who was in the room and admits agreeing to Biden's dementia affected plan.  Although a lot of Americans died, there were a lot more Afghanistan people who were killed as collaborators - have you not seen the video of the last USA plane leaving with people running along side desperately pleading to be taken with them.  Never again will USA troops in any country overseas gain the trust and support of the local people - they all know what Biden did and that it could happen again - one of the worst acts by a POTUS in the history of USA politics.  Did the MSM attack Biden over that? Not a chance - page 3 at best then all forgotten - same as the assassination attempts on Trump. Despicable. 

 

BOMBSHELL REPORT: Biden Admin Left 9K Americans in Afghanistan, Originally Claimed 150 - Articles - James E Risch, U.S. Senator for Idaho (senate.gov)

 

Just now, BangkokReady said:

 

You're serious?  Biden made a terrible job of withdrawing from Afghanistan.  I can't believe you're bringing that up like it's something that makes Trump look bad.  🤦‍♂️

Why couldn't Trump get our troops out of Afghanistan?

6 hours ago, RSD1 said:

Just watch the next 4 years. She will create more new jobs, build more new homes, create more new business startups, reduce inequality, reduce inflation, and reduce hate and divisions in the country to levels that Trump could have never envisioned or ever even thunked of.

The USA will be reduced to nothing more than a diversity inclusion dystopia

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Why couldn't Trump get our troops out of Afghanistan?

 

Who said he couldn't?

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Why couldn't Trump get our troops out of Afghanistan?

You ask questions but youre not listening to the answers. Youre brainwashed by the media

Just now, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Trump gave tax cuts that stimulated the economy and worked !!

 

Trump was told of the downsides to try and move the troops out quickly, so he commenced the negotiations with the Taliban. Once Biden was elected he threw out Trump's negotiated deal and the Taliban retaliated and started to take over because they knew Biden would not do anything about it (unlike Trump who destroyed ISIS).  Then Biden tried to get them out quickly, and ignored the military's advice not to do that.  The deaths and destruction that happened are all on Biden - and Harris who was in the room and admits agreeing to Biden's dementia affected plan.  Although a lot of Americans died, there were a lot more Afghanistan people who were killed as collaborators - have you not seen the video of the last USA plane leaving with people running along side desperately pleading to be taken with them.  Never again will USA troops in any country overseas gain the trust and support of the local people - they all know what Biden did and that it could happen again - one of the worst acts by a POTUS in the history of USA politics. 

 

Please document the impact of the Trump billionaires tax cut on the economy.

 

I'll give you the impact on the Federal deficit:

 

Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

 

 

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Who said he couldn't?

In your mind, do you believe that Trump got our troops out of Afghanistan?

 

You know, like he said he would.

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Let's hear your interpretation; why didn't trump get US troops out of Afghanistan?

 

Perhaps he didn't want to "pull a Biden"...

Just now, mdr224 said:

The USA will be reduced to nothing more than a diversity inclusion dystopia

Lets hope that it never happens - because if Harris wins that is exactly what will happen.

 

Many years ago Ann Coulter made 2 predictions on TV - and she was attacked and ridiculed by the MSM.

1. She said Trump would win the election.

2. She said that if the Democrats ever get back into power they will open the border and try to let 10-20 million refugees flood into the country and get them all made legal so they can vote, and the GOP will not win another election for 2+ decades.

 

Luckily, Trump will win again - and he will deport most of the illegals. 

6 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

You ask questions but youre not listening to the answers. Youre brainwashed by the media

Why didn't Trump get our troops out of Afghanistan?

Just now, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Lets hope that it never happens - because if Harris wins that is exactly what will happen.

 

Many years ago Ann Coulter made 2 predictions on TV - and she was attacked and ridiculed by the MSM.

1. She said Trump would win the election.

2. She said that if the Democrats ever get back into power they will open the border and try to let 10-20 million refugees flood into the country and get them all made legal so they can vote, and the GOP will not win another election for 2+ decades.

 

Luckily, Trump will win again - and he will deport most of the illegals. 

I have bad news for you - barring a Black Swan event - Trump is going to lose the 2024 election, bigly.

7 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Please document the impact of the Trump billionaires tax cut on the economy.

 

I'll give you the impact on the Federal deficit:

 

Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

 

 

Thanks for the question/s - more tomorrow - wife is calling and dinner/movie beckons 🙂 

 

57 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

 

At last.  I hear you and can understand most of what you are saying, and I do agree with some of your points. You have made a very good summary of what the issues are with regards to Trump as a person (flawed) and how divided politics currently is in the USA.

 

However, before I go into a few things in response - and like you I dont want just to throw abuse back and forth - there is a view on things that you may not have considered enough.  When someone is clearly in one side of the political divide, it is very hard for them to truly see the errors and inconstancies and the faults of that side they have chosen - but they can see every single flaw and fault of the other side.  In that position it is very hard for a person to reconcile their own formed views against any factual situation that challenges that view - it is called cognitive bias.  According to Google, 'Cognitive bias is a systematic thought process caused by the tendency of the human brain to simplify information processing through a filter of personal experience and preferences. The filtering process is a coping mechanism that enables the brain to prioritize and process large amounts of information quickly.'  And that is as viable an explanation as I can find - and I am certainly not immune from it either. 

 

However, although not immune, I can see the arguments about Trump and his personality 'disorder' and his growing mental slow down - absolutely.  But aside from the mental slowdown part, that 'personality disorder' is extremely common in hyper successful men - Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Larry Ellison etc etc etc. They all have a personality disorder as such, and they all have a very strong ego and self belief - those traits are absolutely necessary to become what they have become - it is genetic - you can 'grow it'.  I know that makes Trump very 'unappealing' to many people - but if I was to say to you that Obama was not the smooth sweet lovely man that he portrayed himself to be - would you accept and understand that he is a diplomatic politician and he has the social skills to perform that act brilliantly - and that was why he was selected over Hillary, who is far less 'convincing'.  I have met many politicians and the top dogs are those that have the ability to stab you in the back while smiling to your face - the King of them being Bill Clinton.  Trump is not a good experienced and seasoned politician at all - but I accept that (and all his flaws) because he has IMO the right policies compared to the Dems (as I listed before).  He is by far the better option to have as POTUS in the current world situation - especially with the situations developing in Europe and Russia. 

 

The USA is being presented witrh the choice between 2 very personally flawed people, but I am certain that if Trump is elected and becomes the POTUS again, he will achieve a good outcome for USA and the World. Hopefully that will happen and people like yourself who can see/hear the 'other side' will then accept that he did a good job and that they were wrong.

 

I also thought Bill Clinton was a charlatan, and to some extent he was/is, but he achieved a lot of good things. Impeaching him for being caught being 'naughty' with a female intern was one of the biggest mistakes the GOP has ever made - it was what IMO started the divide in USA politics. The inevitable hatred that has flowed from then, made into an artform by the Dems and stupidly ignored by the GOP, is not a good thing and it aint over yet. One more term for Trump in a landslide win is the answer IMO - because I think he will bridge the divide - after he has destroyed what Biden/Harris have done.  That will happen I hope, and unlike after 2016 when they protested and attacked Trump for denying Hillary's turn, the Dems in power will be forced to go back to the middle ground and dump all the lunatic left wing woke policies that are not what the USA is about. 

I like your reply above. At least better than many of your others. And although most of your replies to other members are generally of that same typical angry, aggressive and deluded Trump apologist nature, your above post has a bit more balance and normalcy for once. 
 

You make a couple of wrong assumptions though. I'm not on one side or the other of the political divide. Nor do I think Harris is spectacular, but she's experienced, educated, and capable and I believe her intentions are good. And she isn't crazy, dangerous, angry, and isn't in advanced stages of cognitive decline. Obama wasn't really anything more than a well educated and well spoken Word Smith, a wolf in sheep's clothes. Clinton? Who knows. Shook his hand once when he was president, but I don't really have much of an opinion of him one way or another, other than he generally has bad taste in women. But let's go forward instead of backwards.
 

I also don't have a cognitive bias filter. I've clearly known about Trump and what he's all about for decades. He was a horrible human being well before he even entered politics or before you probably ever even heard his name in Australia. And now he's even worse because he's old, confused, in deep cognitive decline, and he is only focused on his own anger and personal revenge. He is not capable of reuniting anybody. He only spreads more racism and hatred by the minute. And he has no real plans of doing anything good for anyone but himself. He's not mentally capable of running the country or bringing any goodness to its people. He's 100% what America as a country doesn't need right now. 
 

As with this election, my viewpoint on the candidates is the same as every US election. There is no great choice, it's only down to choosing the lesser of the two evils. Only this time the stakes are much higher and the greater of the two evils is a tremendous danger to the entire American, and possibly world population.
 

But you can't see that. And all the Americans who plan to vote for him can't see that either. By the time they realize it, the damage will be done and it will be too late. So I'm hoping that goodness will prevail and we won't have to cross that bridge where all the people who don't support Trump have to sit there a year from now and say "I told you so and we tried to warn you."
 

I only want the best for humanity and the world so that's why I am fully against Trump. It's that simple. I'm not really interested in policies of the candidates or which side of the political aisle they stand on. Trump is a grave threat and a danger to humanity, the world is already in a very bad state at the moment, and I don't want to see it get any worse with a crazy old, angry, racist/fascist man as president of the Un-United States.

 

And bigger picture:

 

 

2 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

….and there are probably enough of them to achieve a majority…

I guess you find out but I dont think so

Some posts discussing another member have been removed. 

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I showed you one CNN story about Trump's accomplishments and that was easy.

You are not looking for the truth and are still a Dems sheep.

Sorry if my logic and facts annoy you - not.

 

small minded people and sheep dont annoy me, liars do.  I feel sorry for their ignorance or stupidity. You can pick your category

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Such hatred and petty silliness - and so little substance. 

 

Trump wanted to become POTUS to 'save' USA - he initially wanted to be a Democrat nominee but it was clear that they were gone left - and their selection policies and methods mean that the Party leaders decide who it is - not the Dems voters - and it always amazes me that Dem voters fail to see that.  Even when they all voted for Biden - he was just thrown away and Harris was 'anointed'. And lets not talk about how Clinton was given the nod when it was very clear that more Dem Party members wanted Sanders as the nominee.  That is why Trump went over to the GOP side - more of their policies matched his own beliefs, and their selection policy and method for the nominee is totally decided by the GOP Party members.  Yes many existing powerbrokers in the GOP did not (and do not) like Trump in 2016 - but they had no choice because the GOP Party members wanted him as the nominee - same this time around too.  

 

Your rewritting history as every trumpette does. He wanted to be a democrat but they wouldn't give him the nomination, so he switched. He even threatened the republics to leave if he wasnt nominated. As for other past politicians and other issues that you keep trying to drag in to deflect it doesnt wash and shows your ignorance of fact and history.

 

Existing power brokers and his past wh staff all refuse to back him now and are giving the nod to Harris. They also tell what a true nutcase he is. Its sad that he was so crazy that his own staff had to hide documents and legislation from him so he couldnt sign them and really F up the the USA and other countries. Do more research and dont cherry pick your facts or take them out of context to try to prove your position. You're better off and more effective if you just say you're a republican. 

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I dont read the WAPO much - Fake News and truly one of the Dems MSM PR outlets.

Mate - just read this below from your link aloud - surely you can see is is totally biased:-

 

Trump made about six false or misleading claims a day in his first year as president, 16 a day in his second year, 22 a day in his third year — and 39 a day in his final year. Put another way, it took Trump 27 months to reach 10,000 false or misleading claims and another 14 months to reach 20,000. He then exceeded the 30,000 mark less than five months later.

Check it with any source and you will find the same facts and same numbers. trumpettes always deflect with the same line when confronted with these facts. "Oh that outlet is biased or leftwing so I dont read them"   its one step up from the dog ate my homework, so sad

2 hours ago, RSD1 said:

 

You might not believe this, but I'm actually very happy you started this topic and I'm not going to attack you any further on any of your individual thoughts and beliefs. And I mean that sincerely. And you are very welcome to reply to my following message, or not, but I won't continue to dispute whatever you may write on any of my posts going forward. 

You seem like a nice person, a good person as well, and I feel you do really believe everything that you are saying in support of Trump. And, if it were 10 years ago, prior to to the emergence of Trump type US politics having entered the scene, then you and I probably would've seen eye to eye on many things. But that was then and this is now.

I do feel that now you truly are deluded, that you believe in all of the many falsehoods you are writing about and that you perhaps can't be taught otherwise. I really think it's sad though that you and so many Trump supporters are truly now in this way. 

I had actually planned to start a topic myself to ask all of the Trump supporters to come forward and explain to me more about why they think he would be a good president for the next four years so that I could finally understand the Trump supporter perspective. I really thought that maybe there are some tangible issues that people really like about Trump and that they would be able to help me to understand them better. But I feel like I don't have to post that topic any longer and I thank you. I think you have now fulfilled my curiosity and my lack of understanding on this issue and I am no longer puzzled by it. 

The conclusion I've come to is that there really are no good answers to my question. The jokes about the Trump supporters being hypnotized, kool-aid drinking, cult followers really are true in a way. They all have simply lost their way and believe all of his countless lies after lie. They no longer understand the difference between fact and fiction, thus they can't be reasoned with by trying to parse between truths and falsehoods via a means of intellectual, objective, and non-biased discussion. It's impossible. Nearly all Trump supporters appear to have become a carbon copy of Trump and will recite all of the same lies and mantras without any understanding of anything that is real. The part that I still don't understand is how this actually happened, but so be it. 

That list that you wrote of the 20 things you think are Trump policies that he will implement to better America was actually the crishendo for me. It was so misguided, delusional and incorrect that I realize now there is no point in even debating with Trump supporters because they aren't in a state political reality. Instead they will just hit you with more of the wildest falsehoods and that there is no means of helping them to gain any positive understanding of the truth. But I'm really glad that you posted that list because it helps to encapsulate it all much better. 

I know now that I could sit here until I'm blue in the face trying to explain to you why Trump is so bad and destructive and you would never believe or be able to grasp any of it. It would be a totally feudal exercise and so no point to even try. Thus, I totally get it now. There is no helping Trump supporters to understand reality. It's a general impossibility and with only very few exceptions.  

Surprisingly, many of the ones in his closest inner circle who worked with him in the White House in the past have now snapped out of the spell and have come to truly understand things. I find it both amazing and inspiring that this has happened. But they are sadly just a small minority. It does happen though and slowly more and more Trump followers are being deprogrammed, but unfortunately it is not happening at a fast enough pace. 

Trump, and again, I don't mean this in a derogatory way, has become a very mentally ill man. I remember him from the 80s being the heavily crooked businessman from New York and we all accepted this at the time. But his power and influence was limited and he now acts mainly on conflicted emotions, confusion, desperation, and covers up all of his wrongs and inadequacies with pure, outlandish babble. That's what's making matters even worse.

I never thought there would be a point in time where so many Americans would become so lost and consumed with such a destructive and morally bankrupt person like Trump, but it has happened and I need to just accept it. It still doesn't make logical sense to me, but I have my answer now and I won't keep boggling my mind with the same repetitive questions. 

There really is only one way out for everyone and he simply needs to be removed from the political landscape and then all of those blindly convinced followers of his will finally be free to think about things again in a more safe, secure and realistic way. 

If Trump weren't potentially going to do so much damage to the country, and to its people as a president, then it really wouldn't matter what people believe or don't believe about him. They could go on being in denial of reality and it wouldn't really matter, the same way some people believe that the world is flat, that man never went to the moon, etc. Just generally harmless misbeliefs. 

But I do really think Trump is a threat and a danger to civil society in America and if he were to get back into power that he would cause some serious and irreparable damage given his warped state of consciousness. 

I really hope for the sake of the United States, and all of its people, including all of the current Trump supporters, that he doesn't win the election for the sake, benefit and safety of every American.
 

May America be blessed with a better future and its people reunite in a peaceful, harmonious, and productive way without any more of the freakish and radicalized fundamentalism of Trump. 

I mean this honestly and sincerely, with the highest hope for a better future for the United States. And if there was ever a time when good is to prevail over evil then there isn't a better time in US history for that to happen than now.

well said and to the point. 

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Firing all experienced and experts from government service to be replaced by people only based on their blind loyalty to fascist dictator Trump is deeply un American. We don't need a Maoist style cultural revolution, thank you very much.

 

 Sanitize the swamp.

 

Maoists how moronic. Precisely what does Trump and or his supporters do that you find in any way reflects agarian socialism? That would be Biden/ Harris

 

He was Hitler last week. I guess just insert any random slur right?

 

He's gonna win and I'm gonna remind you of that constantly over the next four years.

 

Judging by your post history if anyone is a wannabe Communist it's you.

 

33 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I had actually planned to start a topic myself to ask all of the Trump supporters to come forward and explain to me more about why they think he would be a good president for the next four years so that I could finally understand the Trump supporter perspective.

 

There was a very long thread asking Harris supporters why they supported her candidacy. It became inflamed and Harris supporters unhinged. The thread ran about ten pages. Go have a look. In the end not one of them, not one poster came up with any sort of cogent set of ideas or policies that support Harris.

 

Not ONE

 

Last night on another caustic thread I had mentioned there was zero substance discussion about Trump and his policies.

 

If you Google:

 

aseannow.com: trump polices

 

you will only find one thread on this entire forum and that is dated back in mid June

 

So, while you call others unhinged you might want to reassess who is actually unhinged. The violence is and always has been on the Left.

 

Trump has a great many faults. Nevertheless, he will win and we are coming back with pitchforks and torches.

 

The Democratic party could have chosen RFK Jr or Gabbard. It went with Harris. The behind the scenes skullduggery that involved Bidens ouster - obama, pelosi and I believe even Hillary Clinton is documented. You lot are oblivious or it's a means to an end. I'm not sure which is worse

 

Second assassination attempt and the left just laughs.

 

His entire form is completely skewed to the left. I imagine it's suffered financially. Many old posters are gone. But we have new shadowy figures with special privileges

 

I wasn't a trump supporter but If they want him dead this bad - I'm 100% on board now.

4 minutes ago, Chadnik said:

 

 

 

Trump has a great many faults. Nevertheless, he will win and we are coming back with pitchforks and torches.

 

 

You're a card. You should  be dealt with. 

1 hour ago, RSD1 said:

generally of that same typical angry, aggressive and deluded Trump apologist nature,

 

The shrillness and anger is on the left.

 

Left is becoming totally unhinged - two assassination attempts. US MSM entirely controlled and manipulated by the left nothing but lies and deceit.

 

There are many posts here that are perfectly okay with the attempted assassination of a former president and current candidate. If that is an unhinged and delusional I don't know what is.

 

Check yourself

It seems that many women I talk to love the Trump!

Jan 6 was disqualifying.

Americans that think Trump should be allowed power again missed civics education.

So many people love Trump.

 

Just watched the genuine concern and upset of so many at yet another assassination attempt.

 

Deeply moved.

 

<wipes tear from eye>