Trump Too Scared To Debate Harris Again

[Will B Good]

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Some years ago I opined that London was not really an English city any more Since then, virtually all my friends from abroad have confirmed my observation So there must be some truth in it... I note also that London was the UK city that voted most strongly to remain in the EU

 

...and he opined all this from Nevis in the West Indies.....oh the irony.

[Inderpland]

24 minutes ago, lavender19 said:

CNN .Free and fair. You taking the pi$$

Not as much as Fox's slogan "Fair and Balanced". Not by a country mile.

[Inderpland]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Yes I remember LBJ.

 

Because of his twisted policies my county restarted conscription but very strongly opposed for many years and I went to the war in Sth. Vietnam.

 

Now receiving a hefty lifetime disability compensation payment which cancels when I die.

So you didn't have any debilitating bone spurs like Trump, who would have jumped at the chance of serving if it weren't for his serious medical condition.

A great shame he couldn't go, we see how appreciative he is of people who have been wounded, captured or killed!

[GroveHillWanderer]

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

No evidence for the dog story. More for taking the wild fowl from the parks. And even more for the damage to the community caused by the Biden-Harris administration settling 15-20,000 migrants in such a small community.  That is the real story.

The current administration did not "settle" 15-20,000 migrants in Springfield. The migrants went there of their own accord because there were local industries and businesses that had vacancies and needed workers.

 

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Recent and longstanding immigrants said family and social networks, word-of-mouth, and the quest for higher wages and lower living costs helped draw people to Springfield.

 

Contrary to how some might like to portray it, local business leaders were (and are) actually happy to see them there, to provide the workers they need.

 

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"We needed a workforce," to fill jobs in a resurgent local manufacturing sector and staff a growing number of warehouse and distribution centers, said Amy Donahoe, director of workforce development with the Greater Springfield Partnership. "They are coming in and they are working hard and they want to make money."

 

How Haitian immigrants fueled Springfield's growth

Edited 4 hours ago by GroveHillWanderer

[Hanaguma]

19 minutes ago, Inderpland said:

So you didn't have any debilitating bone spurs like Trump, who would have jumped at the chance of serving if it weren't for his serious medical condition.

A great shame he couldn't go, we see how appreciative he is of people who have been wounded, captured or killed!

Or ol' Joe, who could have foregone any of his five years of student deferment to serve his country. But somehow chose not to...

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Or ol' Joe, who could have foregone any of his five years of student deferment to serve his country. But somehow chose not to...

Not the same as faking a disability!

[proton]

1 hour ago, Inderpland said:

And that was correct. She won the vote by a margin of millions. Unfortunately, the US is not a proper representative democracy in that votes don't count the same all over the country.

Hopefully, that will be corrected soon.

 

Not this old excuse again, winning the popular vote does not always elect a president

[Hanaguma]

21 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The current administration did not "settle" 15-20,000 migrants in Springfield. The migrants went there of their own accord because there were local industries and businesses that had vacancies and needed workers.

 

 

Contrary to how some might like to portray it, local business leaders were (and are) actually happy to see them there, to provide the workers they need.

 

 

How Haitian immigrants fueled Springfield's growth

The article also notes the huge growth in social services, welfare etc being used. Also health care and education being overwhelmed. And housing being priced out of reach of residents.  

 

Of course business leaders were happy to see them- a compliant workforce they could exploit for low wages that the residents would not accept. 

[Hanaguma]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not the same as faking a disability!

Yeah, that nasty asthma that Joe's doctor said he had ten years before...  I am sure totally legit.  Be honest, both avoided the war by student deferments as long as they could. Either could have volunteered for service at any time, but chose not to.

[Hanaguma]

Newsweek had an interesting 'on the ground' report from Springfield. The Haitians displace locals by working cheap. Housing spirals as 20-25 people often occupy one dwelling. etc etc. 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/springfield-emblematic-americas-immigration-death-spiral-opinion-1953366

 

[Inderpland]

29 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Not this old excuse again, winning the popular vote does not always elect a president

Uh, no it doesn't, and that was kind of the point.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, Inderpland said:

I took one look at the name of the link (DefiyantlyFree) and realized there's only so much bats**t crazy stuff one can read during one day before getting mentally scarred so thanks, but no thanks.

 

BTW, that beacon of unlimited free speech, Musk, has bent over and accepted whatever the good Brazilian judge wants to give him.😁

 

'After railing against the 'Darth Vader' of the Brazilian Supreme Court and getting Twitter banned in the country, Elon Musk is giving in to the court orders that started it all'

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/railing-against-darth-vader-brazilian-191708157.html

 

It must be so reassuring for you MAGA guys that have such a principled standard bearer on your side, am I right?

the name of the person the posted the link is nothing to do with the content, if you had bothered to look you would have seen it was video clips of  Trump & Harris at different speaking events, both being asked the same question by an audience member, there is a stark difference between both answers.  1 gave an answer, 1 avoided giving an answer. 

[Inderpland]

5 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

the name of the person the posted the link is nothing to do with the content, if you had bothered to look you would have seen it was video clips of  Trump & Harris at different speaking events, both being asked the same question by an audience member, there is a stark difference between both answers.  1 gave an answer, 1 avoided giving an answer. 

Great, out-of-context clips posted on Twitter used as an argument. Totally convincing.

[Dan O]

8 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

No evidence for the dog story. More for taking the wild fowl from the parks. And even more for the damage to the community caused by the Biden-Harris administration settling 15-20,000 migrants in such a small community.  That is the real story.

Can you post your source for the claim that Biden/Harris settled the 15 to 20k Haitians in Springfield? I don't think it exists as it false information you keep spreading. At least quote real facts and not made up bs 

[frank83628]

7 minutes ago, Inderpland said:

Great, out-of-context clips posted on Twitter used as an argument. Totally convincing.

so you didnt watch it then

[Dan O]

41 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The article also notes the huge growth in social services, welfare etc being used. Also health care and education being overwhelmed. And housing being priced out of reach of residents.  

 

Of course business leaders were happy to see them- a compliant workforce they could exploit for low wages that the residents would not accept. 

Your deflecting from facts and trying to spin the issue you originally posted. 

[Inderpland]

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

so you didnt watch it then

Man, you put Sherlock to shame being able to deduce that from what I wrote!

[Inderpland]

50 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The article also notes the huge growth in social services, welfare etc being used. Also health care and education being overwhelmed. And housing being priced out of reach of residents.  

 

Of course business leaders were happy to see them- a compliant workforce they could exploit for low wages that the residents would not accept. 

In other words, solid GOP policies being followed and you criticize this - strange. Are you saying that unions should get involved to stop the exploitation?
This might come as a shock but Trump and his wealthy brown-noser fanboy are not exactly worker friendly, unlike you.

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-and-musk-discussed-firing-striking-workers-the-uaw-is-now-seeking-an-nlrb-investigation

[Jingthing]

59 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yeah, that nasty asthma that Joe's doctor said he had ten years before...  I am sure totally legit.  Be honest, both avoided the war by student deferments as long as they could. Either could have volunteered for service at any time, but chose not to.

No evidence that his asthma wasn't legit and also that deferment stipulated he would still be called in an emergency. The question isn't about not wanting to go it's  about Trump's corruption. 

[tilaceer]

49 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yeah, that nasty asthma that Joe's doctor said he had ten years before...  I am sure totally legit.  Be honest, both avoided the war by student deferments as long as they could. Either could have volunteered for service at any time, but chose not to.

So once again you try to conflate Biden's 1-Y deferment with Trumps 1-Y deferment in an attempt to suggest Biden was also a draft dodger.
Forget the student deferments, and just stick to the medical issue.

Biden released his medical history and this has been reviewed by medical professionals, who can confirm that, like Dick Cheney, he had legitimate grounds for deferral.

Now in Trumps case, he seized his medical records and has refused to release any a-rays to support his claim of spurs. The podiatrist Dr Braunstein, who diagnosed Trump with bone spurs as a favour to Fred Trump so Donald could avoid the draft for the Vietnam War, claims that he didn't even examine Trump, so there is a good chance there are no x-rays. Like his scholastic records, Trump wants to make sure that that none of his personal files become public, (like tax returns), that will prove his lies.

Precis:
Biden has asthma.
Trump has a yellow streak.

[stoner]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Be honest, both avoided the war by student deferments as long as they could. Either could have volunteered for service at any time, but chose not to.

 

right. does it really matter which way either of them dodged the war. they both dodged it.

[tilaceer]

14 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

right. does it really matter which way either of them dodged the war. they both dodged it.

So you equate legitimate student deferments with illegally falsifying medical reports ?

[stoner]

7 minutes ago, tilaceer said:

So you equate legitimate student deferments with illegally falsifying medical reports ?

 

Ok.

[Hanaguma]

13 minutes ago, tilaceer said:

So you equate legitimate student deferments with illegally falsifying medical reports ?

Both used legitimate student deferments. Both, at any time, could have chosen NOT to use their student deferments and volunteered to go to Vietnam. Both used their student deferments as long as possible and then washed out for medical reasons. One was an asthmatic lifeguard, the other a bone spur plagued baseball player.  

 

Let's put this 50 year old meme to rest, shall we? 

[tilaceer]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

Both used legitimate student deferments. Both, at any time, could have chosen NOT to use their student deferments and volunteered to go to Vietnam. Both used their student deferments as long as possible and then washed out for medical reasons. One was an asthmatic lifeguard, the other a bone spur plagued baseball player.  

 

Let's put this 50 year old meme to rest, shall we? 

With pleasure, if you stop bringing it up.
Trump was plagued, just not by spurs.

[newbee2022]

8 hours ago, fvw53 said:

I guess you are too young to know what Marxist policies are : I worked in China from 1972 to 1974 (Mao was still in power) and in Vietnam from 1981 to 1984 and what I experienced is really something different than some social-democrat policies of the Dem's.

Agreed. And also: it's a contradiction in itself to combine Democrats (in a democratic country) with Marxists or Marxism. 

[Hanaguma]

43 minutes ago, tilaceer said:

With pleasure, if you stop bringing it up.
Trump was plagued, just not by spurs.

Wasn't me. It was another poster, Interpland (sp) who started it with a snide comment about Trump and his bone spurs.  You are scolding the wrong person. 

[tilaceer]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Wasn't me. It was another poster, Interpland (sp) who started it with a snide comment about Trump and his bone spurs.  You are scolding the wrong person. 

Not scolding anyone. I was highlighting the fact that as soon as someone has a go at Trump and his bone spurs, you start on about "asthma joe", as I think you called him last time, to try and conflate the two.
There is no equivalency.

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, tilaceer said:

Not scolding anyone. I was highlighting the fact that as soon as someone has a go at Trump and his bone spurs, you start on about "asthma joe", as I think you called him last time, to try and conflate the two.
There is no equivalency.

Yeah, there is. Both could have volunteered to serve. Both declined. 

[tilaceer]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

Yeah, there is. Both could have volunteered to serve. Both declined. 

Here we go again. Its not about whether they could have volunteered or not.

One had a medical exemption.
One lied.

Nothing will change that.