British National Killed in Sattahip Motorcycle Accident

[lordgrinz]

8 hours ago, save the frogs said:

simple.

get rid of the poles too. 

 

Since the pole was mounted on top of a raised and marked curb, the outcome more than likely be the same.

[novacova]

On 10/6/2024 at 4:01 AM, scubascuba3 said:

Maybe inexperience, i saw one yesterday on Pratumnak on a rental, hard to crash there

From the looks of the photo it appears that he was riding too fast. Speed kills!

[lordgrinz]

39 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

For starters - look at the second picture. That is not a u-turn.

That is the overpass that starts at the Boonthavorn shop (heading south towards Sattahip), about 3 kms before you get to the Highway 332 intersection.

I just came back that way last night in fact, going the other way.
(Just after the rain in Pattaya stopped and the flooding went down.)

It appears that the one of the riders probably took the overpass lane and the other rider didn't realize it in time and tried to cut from the "old road" onto the overpass lane while speeding along and misjudged it, hitting the sign that points to the different lanes.

This is the exact same overpass but heading North. Google's image of the North lanes is dated June 2024 but their image of the South lanes (the Boonthavorn side of the overpass where the accident happened) is dated Oct 2023 when construction was still ongoing.

Both ends of the overpass are virtually identical though.




Maybe they call it a "u-turn" as there is a u-turn under the middle of the overpass.
 

 

If so, then it appears he did like Thai's usually do, an tried to cut over the hash marked area at the last second. Solid lines and hash marks are there for a reason, lesson learned.

[jacko45k]

11 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

If so, then it appears he did like Thai's usually do, an tried to cut over the hash marked area at the last second. Solid lines and hash marks are there for a reason, lesson learned.

Watched a Thai do that just yesterday, headed sharp right across the hatch marks to get into the underpass in Central Pattaya.. an underpass where motorcycles are not allowed by the way. 

[hotandsticky]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Well that obviously cannot be guaranteed, and in this case apparently not. I think I was even younger than that by a few years when I was considering a bigger bike, but thought better of it. This was a crotch rocket, not a big heavy tourer, more suited to older guys. 

 

I accept that, but if the guy was 66 years old, just returned to Thailand and was riding it a big bike then it wasn't a renter and he was likely a very experienced rider.

 

I never rode a bike until I arrived in Thailand 18 years ago and I gravitated from a click to a Neuvo to a PCX to a Forza. I feel comfortable and safe on the Forza but rarely exceed 100 kph; I usually ride at 80-100 kph, less when conditions demand it. I am 68 years old and have told myself that the moment there are any signs of my driving skills deteriorating then the bike will go.

[hotandsticky]

1 hour ago, Badrabbit said:

Big bikes ate fine if you ride them sensibly, U turns are a big problem here.

How fast was he going into a u turn to do that much damage.

 

See my reply to Kerry'd.

[J Branche]

Talk to Auntie who is driving around Pattaya for a very long time.  Accidents she has had at low speeds only resulted in scrapes, bumps and bruises.

 

You only have to be wrong one time on a motorbike before game over.

[lordgrinz]

4 minutes ago, J Branche said:

Talk to Auntie who is driving around Pattaya for a very long time.  Accidents she has had at low speeds only resulted in scrapes, bumps and bruises.

 

You only have to be wrong one time on a motorbike before game over.

 

Just look around, there are plenty of people gimping around with mangled feet and hands, and other debilitating injuries. I am pretty sure most of those are from motorcycle accidents, which is why before I sold the Big Bike, I stuck to ATGATT (All The Gear All The Time)

[hotandsticky]

1 hour ago, Kerryd said:

For starters - look at the second picture. That is not a u-turn.

That is the overpass that starts at the Boonthavorn shop (heading south towards Sattahip), about 3 kms before you get to the Highway 332 intersection.

I just came back that way last night in fact, going the other way.
(Just after the rain in Pattaya stopped and the flooding went down.)

It appears that the one of the riders probably took the overpass lane and the other rider didn't realize it in time and tried to cut from the "old road" onto the overpass lane while speeding along and misjudged it, hitting the sign that points to the different lanes.

This is the exact same overpass but heading North. Google's image of the North lanes is dated June 2024 but their image of the South lanes (the Boonthavorn side of the overpass where the accident happened) is dated Oct 2023 when construction was still ongoing.

Both ends of the overpass are virtually identical though.




Maybe they call it a "u-turn" as there is a u-turn under the middle of the overpass.
 

 

 

I live near the incident and I think your description of what happened is spot on.

 

That is an easy U-turn manoeuvre under the flyover and going left of the flyover leads to the new-style U-turn lane; This was an accident with the flyover.

 

I don't believe the first picture relates to the incident - those bikes are facing the wrong way on a carriageway and that is not a 900cc bike.

[lordgrinz]

25 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Watched a Thai do that just yesterday, headed sharp right across the hatch marks to get into the underpass in Central Pattaya.. an underpass where motorcycles are not allowed by the way. 

 

I see it here daily, in fact constantly, which is why I think Thai people are suicidal. It's the first thing foreign drivers need to learn before driving here in Thailand, Thai's will do things no other reasonable driver would ever think of doing. Formal training and testing would probably fix that, but seeing the current and ridiculous LTD parking lot test, they seem to be more interested in adding more dead bodies to statistics. 

[Georgealbert]

6 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

I live near the incident and I think your description of what happened is spot on.

 

That is an easy U-turn manoeuvre under the flyover and going left of the flyover leads to the new-style U-turn lane; This was an accident with the flyover.

 

I don't believe the first picture relates to the incident - those bikes are facing the wrong way on a carriageway and that is not a 900cc bike.

The pictures  are from the incident scene as reported in the post, or do you think I just made it up? 
 

[Peterphuket]

Satahip, Pattaya, foreigner, motorbike accident.

 

They are words that are related in some way....

Edit: I forgot to mention alcohol.

Edited October 7 by Peterphuket

[hotandsticky]

12 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

The pictures  are from the incident scene as reported in the post, or do you think I just made it up? 
 

 

 

My apologies, I hadn't seen that photo showing the bike as a Kawasaki.

 

That is the southern carriageway towards Sattahip and the bike has obviously been dragged to the side of the road and is facing north.

[rocketboy2]

13 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

That would just make all the snowflakes happy. 

 

 

You could build a snowman with the amount of snowflakes on this forum.

[hoopmonk]

RiP Mr. Garrad.

[Klonko]

I kniow the guy and have ridden with him. A very good rider with professional racing experience. Heavy rain, pitch black (no lights due to power outage), jet lag, may be a few beers (not a heavy drinker). RIP.

Edited October 7 by Klonko

[novacova]

6 minutes ago, Klonko said:

A very good driver with professional racing experience.

Public roadways are no place for racing 

[terryofcrete]

20 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

I'm still avoiding those at 75. Can be done.

I'm 77 and still riding...not bikes now..mind you !

[newbee2022]

I'm sure he was aware the risk to ride a big bike in Thailand.

I said it very often and repeat again:

If you love your life don't take a bike but a big car.

A lot of airbags around you.

If you ride a bike, death is your pillion.

[sambum]

On 10/6/2024 at 8:41 AM, SAFETY FIRST said:

I've got several good friends in their '70s, ride as good as me. 

 

I've seen many young people, incompetent, who should not be riding any type of motorcycle. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Correct! A few years ago I saw a couple of young (Swedes as it turned out) rent a couple of motor bikes and then set off ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD. It was only when I and my pal shouted "WRONG SIDE!!" and pointed them in the right direction that they realised their mistake. A minute later a cement truck thundered past, so it could have been much worse than embarrassing for them!!!

[gerrybpattaya]

20 hours ago, Keep Right said:

Another very dead and stupid foreigner for getting on a motorbike in Thailand. I guess these people will never learn that they are a death trap.

Better to take the bus full of gas cylinders instead.

[BigStar]

35 minutes ago, terryofcrete said:

I'm 77 and still riding...not bikes now..mind you !

 

Me, my bike as well, but just around town, usually in the same routes. My driving's good as it ever was, but the potential cost of an accident's a lot higher now than it used to be. 

[sambum]

2 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Me, my bike as well, but just around town, usually in the same routes. My driving's good as it ever was, but the potential cost of an accident's a lot higher now than it used to be. 

I think you're missing the point! 

[jessicar]

I know him personally.

Nigel used to be a speedway rider in the UK.

So he was an experienced rider.

And he loved his beer...

R.I.P

[BigStar]

1 minute ago, sambum said:

I think you're missing the point! 

 

Let's not be too coy, dear. Hee. The point I missed was . . . .

[sambum]

17 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

Correct! A few years ago I saw a couple of young (Swedes as it turned out) rent a couple of motor bikes and then set off ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD. It was only when I and my pal shouted "WRONG SIDE!!" and pointed them in the right direction that they realised their mistake. A minute later a cement truck thundered past, so it could have been much worse than embarrassing for them!!!

 

P.S. I mentioned that they were Swedes not as a snide dig at Swedes, but merely to point out that they drive on the RIGHT hand side of the road in Sweden.

[lordgrinz]

2 minutes ago, jessicar said:

I know him personally.

Nigel used to be a speedway rider in the UK.

So he was an experienced rider.

And he loved his beer...

R.I.P

 

It says he was riding with friends, my guess is he was following the leader, thus making a last second maneuver to enter that U-Turn exit. He forgot the golden rule, Ride your own ride!

[paulbrow]

On 10/6/2024 at 7:00 AM, Henryford said:

Fractured skull, obviously not wearing a helmet., riding a powerful bike !!

Nothing in the article led me to believe he wasn't wearing a helmet. Fractured neck is not a fractured skull. All injuries noted are below helmet level. He may or may not have been wearing one, but there certainly isn't anything "obvious " saying he wasn't.  RIP Mr. Garrad.

 

[crazykopite]

RIP that bike looks a mess ! I called it a day of riding bikes when I hit 70 now I use only 4 wheels it’s a lot safer 

Edited October 7 by crazykopite

[harryviking]

Drive like a fool, die like one. Sad but true.