First Conviction in Victoria for Nazi Salute: Self-Proclaimed Nazi Faces Sentencing

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nah, let’s stick with what called it to start with ‘Pro-Palestinian’.

 

I prefer to stick to the truth.

 

You keep singing from the River to the sea though...

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, Gaccha said:

It really is awful how quickly received wisdom on the subject has changed. I despair at one or two comments on here. 

 

Just two decades ago and the Anti-Defamation League (a Jewish lobby organisation) would have been defending the actions of the Nazi (most famously they defended a literal Nazi group in 1978 in Chicago). 

 

The view back then-- correctly-- was that the key to democracy was freedom of expression no matter what. 

 

I despair at these increasing infringements on freedom. Now we have people thinking it is okay to pass laws criminalising criticising passages of the Koran. This is outrageous. There is a giant leap between hatred towards a group as such and criticism of a religious text. Do you think anybody should be prosecuted for criticising Talmudic verses?

 

I am a huge fan of the pro-free speech FIRE organisation. And I strongly support attempts in the UK to roll back speech legislation to the 1960s. This increasing obsession with safetyism and toxic empathy will slowly corrode the very heart of democracy.

 

 

Indeed. We are essentially introducing Blasphemy laws into civilized Western socieities. Freedom of speech is being eroded at an alarming pace.

 

We are even seeing jail sentences for posts on FaceBook that simply question/repeat a promise made by a government minister. 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I prefer to stick to the truth.

 

You keep singing from the River to the sea though...

Here’s three bits of truth for Jonny.

 

1. You stated ‘Pro-Palestinian’, your words, and ‘Pro-Palestinian’ is not in and of itself Anti-Semitic. Your attempts at revisionism to ‘anti-Zionist’ are noted.

 

2. I’ve never in my life sung ‘From the river to the sea’ an accusation you make with any basis or justification.

 

3. I don’t sympathize with or defend Nazis. Never have done, never will do. 
 

 

 

 

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

1. You stated ‘Pro-Palestinian’, your words, and ‘Pro-Palestinian’ is not in and of itself Anti-Semitic. Your attempts at revisionism to ‘anti-Zionist’ are noted.

 

A bit like saying the KKK weren't anti black. They were just pro white.😄

[Cameroni]

7 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

Well, they are in the process of criminalising looking at women without their written consent.

 

No they're not. It's already criminalised.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

A bit like saying the KKK weren't anti black. They were just pro white.😄

Ah, the non sequitur.

 

No nothing at all like that Jonny.

 

Have you got over the Nazi being held accountable to the law yet? 
 

He clearly has your sympathies.

 

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No nothing at all like that Jonny.

 

Exactly like that Chomps, and you know it.

 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He clearly has your sympathies.

 

He has my sympathy for having his freedom of speech restricted. Unlike you, I will defend peoples freedom of speech even if I disagree with what they are saying. 

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Exactly like that Chomps, and you know it.

 

 

He has my sympathy for having his freedom of speech restricted. Unlike you, I will defend peoples freedom of speech even if I disagree with what they are saying. 

 

Definitely unlike me. 

I don’t defend Nazis Jonny.

 

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Exactly like that Chomps, and you know it.

 

 

He has my sympathy for having his freedom of speech restricted. Unlike you, I will defend peoples freedom of speech even if I disagree with what they are saying. 

The idiot really just deserves a good hiding.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Definitely unlike me. 

 

Of course. Leftists always wish to silence those with whom they disagree. It's leftism 101. Why would you be any different?

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t defend Nazis Jonny.

 

 

Neither do I.

 

I defend freedom of speech. 

 

[JonnyF]

22 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

The idiot really just deserves a good hiding.

 

Spoken like a true "Liberal".

 

Violence for all those who disagree with the prescribed view.  😃

 

PS don't try your strawman "you must be a Nazi as well" nonsense on me. To answer your next post, I  will state clearly that I disagree with people with pro Nazi views, but I also defend their right to have them. And I defend their right to put their own right arm wherever they like, as long it does not physically harm anyone else.

[Cameroni]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Of course. Leftists always wish to silence those with whom they disagree. It's leftism 101. Why would you be any different?

 

 

Neither do I.

 

I defend freedom of speech. 

 

 

Very, true and in the political process the left has now come up with a new tactic, The silent treatment. They will refuse to deal with political opponents, even if they won the most votes in an election, and thereby sabotage their efforts to get things done.

 

Like the ostrich that sticks its head in the sand, the leftists try to just keep to themselves.

 

They don't understand that this only breeds more contempt for them.

[John Drake]

What if I'm just saluting the Emperor Vespasian?  

 

[Captain Flack]

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[JonnyF]

9 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

Rugby referees better be on their guard in fascist Victoria.

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised for Victoria to change that signal for refs in the next few months, just in case it offends anyone. 

 

Maybe they could use this instead. 

 

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

A bit like saying the KKK weren't anti black. They were just pro white.😄

You wont get anywhere arguing with Jew haters. They have their own world.

[James105]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Definitely unlike me. 

I don’t defend Nazis Jonny.

 

 

What kind of punishment do you think this guy deserves for his nazi salute?

 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

What kind of punishment do you think this guy deserves for his nazi salute?

 

It depends where he was at the time.

 

In the absence of him having broken any laws, then a swift kick in the nuts might serve as a corrective.

 

But in general I do think we have forgotten the best way to deal with Nazis.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You wont get anywhere arguing with Jew haters. They have their own world.

Who’s a Jew hater Yagoda?

 

And do you have examples of them expressing their hatred towards Jews?

 

 

 

 

[Hanaguma]

When they start banning Chairman Mao paraphenalia, let me know. Until then, let idiots like Mr. Young Nazi just wither on the vine. He is loving the attention and it gives him the chance to claim martyr status. 

 

If you really want to hurt someone like him, there are two options- laugh at him or ignore him. 

[Gaccha]

Let us consider Mr Neeranam's appeal to use criminal sanctions. Who could possibly oppose the banning of immoral speech? 

 

"I listen to both sides, I do NOT wish to ban debate, I enjoy it. All I said was Islamophobia should be banned."

 

He enjoys debate, Ladies and Gentleman! Just not what is phobic. 

 

It must be very bad this relatively new phobia of which he speaks.

 

"take passages from the Quran out of context to support their arguments, particularly those that mention violence or punishment. For instance, verses that discuss conflict or warfare are sometimes highlighted without considering the historical and textual context in which they were revealed."

 

Yikes. Out of context. But there's always a bigger context. You can always appeal to something more. Mr Neeranam wants to appeal to historicity, that the violence mentioned in the Koran was normal for its time and we should ignore it now. 

 

But why? Why should we ignore the passages as they are understood now? Is not the context today the effect of the passage on those who believe in them. What of the believers who believe it is the literal word of God. They certainly don't put the passages into the context of their time. They believe as they are written. Why shouldn't we? 

 

Why is it bigoted to take a more nuanced grasp of the context than Mr Neeranam, who has a rather cute naive utopian view.

[madone]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where did antisemitism come into this discussion?

 

Oh you inserted it..

Actually the OP inserted it.  pretty difficult to have a conversation about nazis without touching on anti-semitism, don'cha reckon?

 

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In December 2022, Australia's Federal Parliament had taken a further step by passing nationwide legislation, which outlawed the public performance of the Nazi salute as well as the public display and trading of Nazi hate symbols. This broader legal framework reflects the country’s commitment to combating the rise of extremist ideologies, including antisemitism.

 

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The court’s decision was praised by many, particularly by the Anti-Defamation Commission chair, Dvir Abramovich. Abramovich, a prominent voice in Australia’s fight against antisemitism, expressed his satisfaction with the verdict. “This is a historic and thundering day for justice and decency,” Abramovich said, conveying the significance of the conviction in advancing efforts to curb hateful, extremist acts. 

perhaps a better question is why the poster felt a need to inject Palestine into a discussion about nazis in Australia

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

In the absence of him having broken any laws, then a swift kick in the nuts might serve as a corrective.

 

More justification of violence against those with whom you disagree. 

 

But at least you are being honest for once.

[Yagoda]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Who’s a Jew hater Yagoda?

 

And do you have examples of them expressing their hatred towards Jews?

 

 

 

 

From the River to the Sea

[JonnyF]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Who’s a Jew hater Yagoda?

 

And do you have examples of them expressing their hatred towards Jews?

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67085625

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

When they start banning Chairman Mao paraphenalia, let me know. Until then, let idiots like Mr. Young Nazi just wither on the vine. He is loving the attention and it gives him the chance to claim martyr status. 

 

If you really want to hurt someone like him, there are two options- laugh at him or ignore him. 

I love students wearing Che T-shirts shouting down National Socialist loons, when they both hold the same beliefs. Pathetic National Socialists are far less a danger than the "approved" Socialism of the left.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67085625

You know whats sad? Just like their National Socialist philosophical brethren they love to perpetuate violence on women and old folks and folks who can't defend themselves.

 

Then when they get paged, they whine.

[Peabody]

13 hours ago, Social Media said:

“But I do give the Nazi salute and I am a Nazi,” Hersant said openly. “I’ll still continue to give the salute, but hopefully police officers don’t see it.”

That should help at his sentencing.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

What if I'm just saluting the Emperor Vespasian?  

 

Given that he is a neo-Nazi and member of a Nazi organization then no.

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

You know whats sad? Just like their National Socialist philosophical brethren they love to perpetuate violence on women and old folks and folks who can't defend themselves.

 

Then when they get paged, they whine.

Don’t forget their hatred of immigrants, gays, lesbians, transgender people, socialists, intellectuals, people suffering disability, people of mixed race, I would go on but I don’t want to make some members here think I’m referring to them personally.