Oh No! The brain dead arguments about old men and young women again.

Look guys, self decieve yourself as you will, in the end it's like this - Regardless of what the rights and wrongs of old men with young women (even if there are any rights and wrongs) ...Don't kid yourself .. you had to travel to the third world to find a women 10, 20 or more years younger than you.

All those claims of 'kindness, maturity' or whatever else it is you think gets you a girlfriend/wife young enough to be your daughter, mean nothing, because they didn't work back home.

Almost without exception the issue is 'Poverty' and the lack of 'welfare provisions'.

Remove welfare and allow poverty to run rampant back home and you might save yourself an airfair.

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TAWP thank your for directing this thread at me (at least in part) - I'd return the compliment, but you are not that important to me.

Should ugly people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should unfit people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should people with low IQ be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Why don't we start governing peoples' choice of love? Yes

We must protect the gene pool!!!

A little disappointed that all have ignored what I have pointed out.

Which is more important? The freedom of choice OR the what offspring is going to be reproduced?

Have anyone of you been in love? How would it make you feel you are not allowed to love the one you love?

It is none of our business what offspring other people are going to make. No?

Is there someone in your family you want to sleep with or something?

No.

I ask again.

So we are lucky that the ones we chose to love are considered normal. And we are allowed to love them and have a relationship with them. But can you people not see that there are odd occasions, like to be born gay, where the people fall in love with the person whom the society considers inappropriate? Do we have the right to deprive of other peoples' right just because we think it is morally not right? We are hurting those people to fulfill what we think is right.

So do people get the point? What give us the right to take away other peoples' right? Can anyone answer me here?

I can see what you are saying, yes, I disagree however. I am all for people loving who they want, black, tan purple, Chinese, Brit, Martian, gay, bi, whatever. Yet a line must be drawn.

Incest, even if two adults say it's okay for them still means there are deeper problems. Okay, sonny get a hard-on for mommy, right? Son is 21, Mom is 45, both adults right? OKay, where did the idea come from. Was this something mom talked about when son was younger, did she give him ideas? Does daddy, who wants to shag his daughter of 18 tell her she is an adult and can decide for herself, even though he has been grooming her for this moment since she bought her training bra? Because we as a society said it's okay now, you can love, and I mean love your family. Not right, man, not right!

Feeling this way towards a family member is not natural and is a sign something is wrong with someone. It's about relationships and when parent/child relationships break down real issues are there that mess people up. It doesn't alway have to be about sex. My mother always wanted to be my friend, well isn't that great, one more friend and no mother. It ruined our relationship, I can't stand the woman! I realyy needed a mother. This is way such relationships are not right, it ruins much about what makes well balanced people.

Oh No! The brain dead arguments about old men and young women again.

Look guys, self decieve yourself as you will, in the end it's like this - Regardless of what the rights and wrongs of old men with young women (even if there are any rights and wrongs) ...Don't kid yourself .. you had to travel to the third world to find a women 10, 20 or more years younger than you.

All those claims of 'kindness, maturity' or whatever else it is you think gets you a girlfriend/wife young enough to be your daughter, mean nothing, because they didn't work back home.

Almost without exception the issue is 'Poverty' and the lack of 'welfare provisions'.

Remove welfare and allow poverty to run rampant back home and you might save yourself an airfair.

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TAWP thank your for directing this thread at me (at least in part) - I'd return the compliment, but you are not that important to me.

GH is the hammer and the old geezers are the nails. Done and dusted, I reckon.

I found the comment a bit too nasty!

Wh..GuestHouse are having a field-day attacking people he sees as lower than himself.

As my wife is less then a year apart from me I'm not the target of his attack, but I count of those that are to stand up for themselfs and their choices.

I would also be interested to know what GuestHouses feeling regarding the profet Muhammed is, seeing as his youngest wife was 9 years old upon fulfilment of their marrige. And he was somewhere in his 40is if I'm not mistaken.

Oh No! The brain dead arguments about old men and young women again.

Look guys, self decieve yourself as you will, in the end it's like this - Regardless of what the rights and wrongs of old men with young women (even if there are any rights and wrongs) ...Don't kid yourself .. you had to travel to the third world to find a women 10, 20 or more years younger than you.

All those claims of 'kindness, maturity' or whatever else it is you think gets you a girlfriend/wife young enough to be your daughter, mean nothing, because they didn't work back home.

Almost without exception the issue is 'Poverty' and the lack of 'welfare provisions'.

Remove welfare and allow poverty to run rampant back home and you might save yourself an airfair.

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TAWP thank your for directing this thread at me (at least in part) - I'd return the compliment, but you are not that important to me.

GH is the hammer and the old geezers are the nails. Done and dusted, I reckon.

And this from the woman who thinks young guys are attracted to her graceful walk.

GH, we all know old guys shag young girls because they are attracted to them. We all know young girls find old men attractive because of their cash. Are you trying to tell us something new here?

You make snide remarks about poverty stricken girls and the peoples need to find a third world wife. Isn't your wife Thai? Perhaps people look at you the same.

Wh..GuestHouse are having a field-day attacking people he sees as lower than himself.

What else is GH going to do? He's another JDinasia, spends his time on the internet convincing people he has a great life yet his favourite hobby is coming onto a forum and slagging people off. Wish I was that happy.

I found the comment a bit too nasty!

Which one, if you don't mind me asking?

Oh No! The brain dead arguments about old men and young women again.

Look guys, self decieve yourself as you will, in the end it's like this - Regardless of what the rights and wrongs of old men with young women (even if there are any rights and wrongs) ...Don't kid yourself .. you had to travel to the third world to find a women 10, 20 or more years younger than you.

All those claims of 'kindness, maturity' or whatever else it is you think gets you a girlfriend/wife young enough to be your daughter, mean nothing, because they didn't work back home.

Almost without exception the issue is 'Poverty' and the lack of 'welfare provisions'.

Remove welfare and allow poverty to run rampant back home and you might save yourself an airfair.

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TAWP thank your for directing this thread at me (at least in part) - I'd return the compliment, but you are not that important to me.

GH is the hammer and the old geezers are the nails. Done and dusted, I reckon.

And this from the woman who thinks young guys are attracted to her graceful walk.

GH, we all know old guys shag young girls because they are attracted to them. We all know young girls find old men attractive because of their cash. Are you trying to tell us something new here?

You make snide remarks about poverty stricken girls and the peoples need to find a third world wife. Isn't your wife Thai? Perhaps people look at you the same.

bkkmadness is the hammer and GH & JG are the nails!

Should ugly people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should unfit people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should people with low IQ be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Why don't we start governing peoples' choice of love? Yes

We must protect the gene pool!!!

A little disappointed that all have ignored what I have pointed out.

Which is more important? The freedom of choice OR the what offspring is going to be reproduced?

Have anyone of you been in love? How would it make you feel you are not allowed to love the one you love?

It is none of our business what offspring other people are going to make. No?

Is there someone in your family you want to sleep with or something?

No.

I ask again.

So we are lucky that the ones we chose to love are considered normal. And we are allowed to love them and have a relationship with them. But can you people not see that there are odd occasions, like to be born gay, where the people fall in love with the person whom the society considers inappropriate? Do we have the right to deprive of other peoples' right just because we think it is morally not right? We are hurting those people to fulfill what we think is right.

So do people get the point? What give us the right to take away other peoples' right? Can anyone answer me here?

I can see what you are saying, yes, I disagree however. I am all for people loving who they want, black, tan purple, Chinese, Brit, Martian, gay, bi, whatever. Yet a line must be drawn.

Incest, even if two adults say it's okay for them still means there are deeper problems. Okay, sonny get a hard-on for mommy, right? Son is 21, Mom is 45, both adults right? OKay, where did the idea come from. Was this something mom talked about when son was younger, did she give him ideas? Does daddy, who wants to shag his daughter of 18 tell her she is an adult and can decide for herself, even though he has been grooming her for this moment since she bought her training bra? Because we as a society said it's okay now, you can love, and I mean love your family. Not right, man, not right!

Feeling this way towards a family member is not natural and is a sign something is wrong with someone. It's about relationships and when parent/child relationships break down real issues are there that mess people up. It doesn't alway have to be about sex. My mother always wanted to be my friend, well isn't that great, one more friend and no mother. It ruined our relationship, I can't stand the woman! I realyy needed a mother. This is way such relationships are not right, it ruins much about what makes well balanced people.

Do we need laws to tell people to blink their eyes? Do we need laws to tell people to eat?

Do people think just because the law suddenly says incest is OK all people are going to start shagging their fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters?

I see the point, thaibebop, that fathers and mothers persuaing their children from the very young age. But let's have a look, it is there already. The law forbids it already but child molesting and incest still exist. It is a different thing. I would say if a father or a mother fancied that idea they would have done it already regardless of the legality.

Also do you think they can teach them to change their own nature? Do you think you would have been gay if you were taught to be so at a very young age? I won't.

It is not like incest between 2 consent adults is going to detonate an atomic bomb. They are harmless to the society.

"Feeling this way towards a family member is not natural and is a sign something is wrong with someone." Ah! Mental Illness! We have to be very careful with this. In the not so civilized countries or cultures, it is a very good reason to lock people up and have them killed.

I am not natural at all, in HK, you know? Being an extremely honest person here in HK is almost considered mental illness.

Anyway my apologies to TAWP for changing subjects.

Oh No! The brain dead arguments about old men and young women again.

Look guys, self decieve yourself as you will, in the end it's like this - Regardless of what the rights and wrongs of old men with young women (even if there are any rights and wrongs) ...Don't kid yourself .. you had to travel to the third world to find a women 10, 20 or more years younger than you.

All those claims of 'kindness, maturity' or whatever else it is you think gets you a girlfriend/wife young enough to be your daughter, mean nothing, because they didn't work back home.

Almost without exception the issue is 'Poverty' and the lack of 'welfare provisions'.

Remove welfare and allow poverty to run rampant back home and you might save yourself an airfair.

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TAWP thank your for directing this thread at me (at least in part) - I'd return the compliment, but you are not that important to me.

GH, your posts are deteriorating quite obviously. It is time to take a university course for writing skills. And your spellings too.

So what age differences is appropriate. Can you give us a list? Like men how old cannot marry women that old and women how old cannot marry men that old.

My wife is 7 years younger than me. Back home I have never dated anyone that young, does that mean it is wrong then?

I know who you mean every time you take a dig at me. I assume it's because I called you on a few things in the LBD argument. Fine, dig out. But, be honest about it. That's all I ask. Most other posters on here that have a problem with me have the courage to say it plainly. That, I can respect. Sly digs... naah.

As you have brought up the LBD thing I'll address it. The man had some sort of weird obsession with me which began because I declined to meet him for a drink when I was in Phuket. Instead of just moving on with his life the guy sent me a couple of idiotic PM's, the first I answered and the second I decided it was best to ignore. He then started attacking me in different threads usually out of the blue. I responded most times as a defense against the crap he was spouting. It culminated in an extremely abusive post from him in which he threatened violence against me at my home. (This was trashed by mods) When he came back to the forum some time later, he had another dig at something I had said weeks before. I pointed out I had just been quoting his own words and he really should move on. You decided that was a good oportunity to jump in and have a go at me. I considered your intervention to be unneccessary and virtually condoning his threatening behaviour.

Don't cry now if I regard you as an easy target especially in view of your contradictions which seem to be based around gender.

BTW, I don't hate men.

In the Thaivisa cliches thread, I stated I found people who use the word misogynist to be annoying. You obviously decided I was talking about you and jumped in to attack my spelling of the word. I responded by saying that spelling nazis also peeve me. I guess you took both posts personally. My use of the word misandronist in this thread was just my weird sense of humour designed to stir up anyone who recognised themselves.

I think the lady doth protesteth to much!

Quite honestly, I really don't care if you think I hate men, if you're just trying to bait me or if you're just having a boring afternoon. Not my problem. I'll never meet most of you & I'm sure, conversely, none of you care what I think of you. So, what's the problem? I won't apologise for my principles or change - I don't expect any of you to change yours or apologise for them, either. So, why is this still carrying on? Because I was the sole female (apart from Jet, latterly) stupid enough to get baited on this in the first place? Not saying you're stupid, Jet! Whatever.

I agree with most of what you say here except I can say with clear conscience, I don't direct my barbs based on gender. They're aimed where I feel they are deserved. I don't think you can say the same, I have not noticed you insulting female members the way you do men.

But, all in all NR, while I will nearly always retaliate when someone has a go at me, I don't hold grudges (*), it's just an internet forum and a bit of fun.

(*) One exception: One former poster here, whom I met personally, breached a trust and I have no time for him in any way.

Should ugly people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should unfit people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should people with low IQ be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Why don't we start governing peoples' choice of love? Yes

We must protect the gene pool!!!

A little disappointed that all have ignored what I have pointed out.

Which is more important? The freedom of choice OR the what offspring is going to be reproduced?

Have anyone of you been in love? How would it make you feel you are not allowed to love the one you love?

It is none of our business what offspring other people are going to make. No?

Is there someone in your family you want to sleep with or something?

No.

I ask again.

So we are lucky that the ones we chose to love are considered normal. And we are allowed to love them and have a relationship with them. But can you people not see that there are odd occasions, like to be born gay, where the people fall in love with the person whom the society considers inappropriate? Do we have the right to deprive of other peoples' right just because we think it is morally not right? We are hurting those people to fulfill what we think is right.

So do people get the point? What give us the right to take away other peoples' right? Can anyone answer me here?

I can see what you are saying, yes, I disagree however. I am all for people loving who they want, black, tan purple, Chinese, Brit, Martian, gay, bi, whatever. Yet a line must be drawn.

Incest, even if two adults say it's okay for them still means there are deeper problems. Okay, sonny get a hard-on for mommy, right? Son is 21, Mom is 45, both adults right? OKay, where did the idea come from. Was this something mom talked about when son was younger, did she give him ideas? Does daddy, who wants to shag his daughter of 18 tell her she is an adult and can decide for herself, even though he has been grooming her for this moment since she bought her training bra? Because we as a society said it's okay now, you can love, and I mean love your family. Not right, man, not right!

Feeling this way towards a family member is not natural and is a sign something is wrong with someone. It's about relationships and when parent/child relationships break down real issues are there that mess people up. It doesn't alway have to be about sex. My mother always wanted to be my friend, well isn't that great, one more friend and no mother. It ruined our relationship, I can't stand the woman! I realyy needed a mother. This is way such relationships are not right, it ruins much about what makes well balanced people.

Do we need laws to tell people to blink their eyes? Do we need laws to tell people to eat?

Do people think just because the law suddenly says incest is OK all people are going to start shagging their fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters?

I see the point, thaibebop, that fathers and mothers persuaing their children from the very young age. But let's have a look, it is there already. The law forbids it already but child molesting and incest still exist. It is a different thing. I would say if a father or a mother fancied that idea they would have done it already regardless of the legality. Yes, but without the legality they can't be punished for being predators.

Also do you think they can teach them to change their own nature? Do you think you would have been gay if you were taught to be so at a very young age? I won't. Really, having the hots for sister dear is no where near being gay. What you are sayiing is very close to the same statement that gays must be child molesters, comparing incest with homosexuality.

It is not like incest between 2 consent adults is going to detonate an atomic bomb. They are harmless to the society. Ever watch Jerry Springer?

"Feeling this way towards a family member is not natural and is a sign something is wrong with someone." Ah! Mental Illness! We have to be very careful with this. In the not so civilized countries or cultures, it is a very good reason to lock people up and have them killed. Mental Illness, now you are putting words into my mouth. No, mental illness here, only someone who has become, for whatever reason, abnormal in a fashion that can become dangerous to their own family members.m I might suggest mental illness on your part for suggesting incest should be accpectable. Like those nice Danes ( I believe that is the right country ) who use much the same logic you are using to legalize underage homosexual sex, Man Love Boy movement or something like that.

I am not natural at all, in HK, you know? Being an extremely honest person here in HK is almost considered mental illness.

Anyway my apologies to TAWP for changing subjects.

The end here is that a line must be drawn, otherwise even the worst acts can and will be justified and accpected.

I guess that is why as I get older, it is the younger men hitting on me. I think it is because women who take care of themselves and have the poise and etiquette that was so studied and awkward in younger days, becomes a natural grace. ie, you don't walk, you glide; you don't bang things down or eat like a piggy, etc. Along with that is the ability to start and hold a conversation without giggling or flicking your hair back every two seconds, etcetera. Grace under fire. And then there are the years of study in many fine arts. Older men are usually good as firends for me, if they are intelligent. But, maybe I am like the old geezers and their penchant for young girls, I find that even the thought of slipping between the sheets with a slovenly old man makes me gag.

No 1 humorous post of the Year!!

Even the super conceited Jet Gorgon had the tongue firmly planted in the cheek here.

The end here is that a line must be drawn, otherwise even the worst acts can and will be justified and accpected.

Can you see the problem with this sentence?

NO ONE should have the right to decide what acts are good or bad as long as the act does not interfere with other peoples' lives. What you think is ugly is beautiful in some other peoples' eyes.

If you think you can draw a line at this point, someone can draw a line at another point. And it will then just become whoever has the power will be drawing the line. Do you still not get it? Have a look at North Korea.

My use of the word misandronist in this thread was just my weird sense of humour designed to stir up anyone who recognised themselves.

(*) One exception: One former poster here, whom I met personally, breached a trust and I have no time for him in any way.

I'm glad you used that word, OC. I don't know how I missed it and I thank you for adding it to my vocab.

I remember that breach of trust issue; he's not worth the trouble. I know he will see someone who met me so he can "get all the dirt". Not much to discover, I'm afraid, although I have had a wonderful life so far. Some people are just born to be slimeballs I guess.

Thanks JG, I'm just glad that others can now see what I knew the man to be some time ago.

(I doubt you will be using your new word all that often Jet )

I'm not going to quote the whole thing again, Old Croc, but this post is in reference to the one you made to me.

Firstly, if I was wrong, or didn't know all of the facts about the LBD thing, I apologise sincerely. I can only say that wasn't the way it appeared to me - but I will accept I don't know all the facts.

Secondly, I'm afraid I don't sit around & ruminate on what I've said to someone & what they've said to me. If I catalogued every insult I had received (or indeed, given) on here, I would have little time to do anything else. So, believe it or not, I'm not sitting around "crying" (takes a lot to make me cry) about this. It's just an observation.

Thirdly, there are a handful of women on this forum whom I dislike (their personas). There are perhaps an equal amount of men I feel the same about (none post in Bedlam). Considering the proportion of men to women on this forum, I'd say that means I dislike women more (!). I have "had a go" at 3 of these women & been jumped on by the men & received real nastiness from the ladies. That's why I now avoid threads by those ladies or ones that feature them heavily. I feel that I can say what I think to a man & , in general, he won't be too upset by it, or hate me forever. I also don't run the risk of having half the males on the forum jumping down my neck, while they fight to rescue the damsel I've happened to argue with.

I would say that that is a compliment to men, that I feel I can be myself with them, rather than avoiding threads because I know my views won't be welcome. I guess if you see it differently, then it's up to you.

I would also be interested to know what GuestHouses feeling regarding the prophet Mohammed is,

I don't have an opinion on the Prophet Mohammed.

You make snide remarks about poverty stricken girls and the peoples need to find a third world wife.

No I did not - read and inwardly digest.

Should ugly people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should unfit people be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Should people with low IQ be allowed to fall in love, and then reproduce? No

Why don't we start governing peoples' choice of love? Yes

We must protect the gene pool!!!

A little disappointed that all have ignored what I have pointed out.

Which is more important? The freedom of choice OR the what offspring is going to be reproduced?

Have anyone of you been in love? How would it make you feel you are not allowed to love the one you love?

It is none of our business what offspring other people are going to make. No?

Is there someone in your family you want to sleep with or something?

You are not serious, are you? Any ugly, unfit and low IQ people here would like to protest?

And, don't tell me there are people here who think it is the law that is protecting the gene pool! There are laws forbidding illegal drugs. So what? I don't think the law plays even a tiny part in stopping people falling in love with family members or doing the act of incest.(I stress again the incest we are talking about is between adults) And it is exactly because of the scarcity of these examples that I even care to talk about. We are treating them unfairly. We are not respecting their rights.

If there were more examples of these people, they themselves would have protested and petitioned like gays and lesbians did or are doing.

The only part this law plays is to create trouble and to hurt people.

The law most likely is there not because that it is so important that it protects the gene pool. It is there just to fulfil those holier than thou group's mentality. That is the only reason the law is there.

meemiathai,

How about you do a poll on here (Bedlam, not TV!). Ask if any of us would like (if it were legal) to have sex with a member of our family. If the poll gives even one positive answer, then I'll (for one) support your right to argue this. As it is, it just looks like you're arguing for the sake of it

Maybe he should change his nick to maimeemiathai.. She's probably done the runner after hearing this type of rant and now we have to wear it.

Mate, no one cares, give it up.

meemiathai,

How about you do a poll on here (Bedlam, not TV!). Ask if any of us would like (if it were legal) to have sex with a member of our family. If the poll gives even one positive answer, then I'll (for one) support your right to argue this. As it is, it just looks like you're arguing for the sake of it

You know what NR? I was doing a Google to give mmt the boilierplate biological argument against incest. I figured good examples would be everywhere. It's getting hard to find. Tons of hits on sites that feel as mmt does. I had no idea they walked amongst us. Wow.

edit: I just had a thought. I wonder if a societies mores or even it's history could be changed over time, simply through search engine optimization manipulation.

I'm not going to quote the whole thing again, Old Croc, but this post is in reference to the one you made to me.

Firstly, if I was wrong, or didn't know all of the facts about the LBD thing, I apologise sincerely. I can only say that wasn't the way it appeared to me - but I will accept I don't know all the facts.

Secondly, I'm afraid I don't sit around & ruminate on what I've said to someone & what they've said to me. If I catalogued every insult I had received (or indeed, given) on here, I would have little time to do anything else. So, believe it or not, I'm not sitting around "crying" (takes a lot to make me cry) about this. It's just an observation.

Thirdly, there are a handful of women on this forum whom I dislike (their personas). There are perhaps an equal amount of men I feel the same about (none post in Bedlam). Considering the proportion of men to women on this forum, I'd say that means I dislike women more (!). I have "had a go" at 3 of these women & been jumped on by the men & received real nastiness from the ladies. That's why I now avoid threads by those ladies or ones that feature them heavily. I feel that I can say what I think to a man & , in general, he won't be too upset by it, or hate me forever. I also don't run the risk of having half the males on the forum jumping down my neck, while they fight to rescue the damsel I've happened to argue with.

I would say that that is a compliment to men, that I feel I can be myself with them, rather than avoiding threads because I know my views won't be welcome. I guess if you see it differently, then it's up to you.

I leave the last word with you.

meemiathai,

How about you do a poll on here (Bedlam, not TV!). Ask if any of us would like (if it were legal) to have sex with a member of our family. If the poll gives even one positive answer, then I'll (for one) support your right to argue this. As it is, it just looks like you're arguing for the sake of it

Your idea is contradicting what I was arguing about.

It is exactly my belief that there are so few people in this world who would want to have sex with a family member that I think I have the obligation to help these people gain their rights. (remember it takes 2 adult members of the family at the same time to feel the same to count. Just one member doesn't count. Coz I am quite sure it is not difficult to find one)

I must clarify, as usually people might foolishly think if I argue I must be one of them. I AM NOT!

By the way, may I ask, are activities between cousins, nieces and nephews considered incest? Are they acceptable then?

As it is, it just looks like you're arguing for the sake of it.

I hope you don't think I am doing it. Can you not see if there are only just 100 cases in this world of 6 billion, their feelings and welfare should be taken care of? Although you are not far from the truth, what are discussions in a forum going to influence? We should all be sleeping and forget about TV except for useful informations?

meemiathai,

How about you do a poll on here (Bedlam, not TV!). Ask if any of us would like (if it were legal) to have sex with a member of our family. If the poll gives even one positive answer, then I'll (for one) support your right to argue this. As it is, it just looks like you're arguing for the sake of it

You know what NR? I was doing a Google to give mmt the boilierplate biological argument against incest. I figured good examples would be everywhere. It's getting hard to find. Tons of hits on sites that feel as mmt does. I had no idea they walked amongst us. Wow.

edit: I just had a thought. I wonder if a societies mores or even it's history could be changed over time, simply through search engine optimization manipulation.

Really? OK, I'm pretty flabbergasted by that. As for your second thought - maybe that is the real reason that the internet was invented...

Thanks, OC

meemiathai,

How about you do a poll on here (Bedlam, not TV!). Ask if any of us would like (if it were legal) to have sex with a member of our family. If the poll gives even one positive answer, then I'll (for one) support your right to argue this. As it is, it just looks like you're arguing for the sake of it

You know what NR? I was doing a Google to give mmt the boilierplate biological argument against incest. I figured good examples would be everywhere. It's getting hard to find. Tons of hits on sites that feel as mmt does. I had no idea they walked amongst us. Wow.

edit: I just had a thought. I wonder if a societies mores or even it's history could be changed over time, simply through search engine optimization manipulation.

Well I am glad then that there are indeed people out there who are smart enough to understand that it is our responsibility to make sure everyone is treated fairly no matter what different needs people have even if that meant the needs are not yours and mine.

meemiathai,

How about you do a poll on here (Bedlam, not TV!). Ask if any of us would like (if it were legal) to have sex with a member of our family. If the poll gives even one positive answer, then I'll (for one) support your right to argue this. As it is, it just looks like you're arguing for the sake of it

By the way, this post absolutely contradicted the logic of our arguement.

Maybe he should change his nick to maimeemiathai.. She's probably done the runner after hearing this type of rant and now we have to wear it.

Mate, no one cares, give it up.

Touch wood. But I would like to know what it is like being dumped. This is something that I have never experienced.

Maybe he should change his nick to maimeemiathai.. She's probably done the runner after hearing this type of rant and now we have to wear it.

Mate, no one cares, give it up.

Touch wood. But I would like to know what it is like being dumped. This is something that I have never experienced.

You'll find out when your karma's good and ready..