A vote for Trump is a vote for Putin / Orban / Kim Jong Un

[Inderpland]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Trump delayed weapons shipments for a few weeks, shipments that Obama NEVER approved, and Biden cancelled, along with the Trump-Russia sanctions once he took office. 

 

You forget all that? 

 

Hey, what about Biden holding up arms to Israel for political gain, or flying Zelenskyy in to campaign for Harris? 

 

 

Trump blackmailed Ukraine for political gain. You forget all that?

[nauseus]

19 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Conveniently omitting trump stopped supply of weapons to Ukraine in an attempt to blackmail Ukraine government. After Biden came to power he has since authorised billons for weapons shipments as well as authorising other countries with US arms to tranship to Ukraine. In the meantime trump claims he can cease hostilities as soon as coming to power. Under US law is it legally permissible to negotiate with a foreign power to cease hostilities without authorisation from the ruling Administration? I understand not; in fact is it not illegal?

 

That is not my point, which is that only Trump sent lethal arms before the invasion.

[Yellowtail]

10 minutes ago, Inderpland said:

Trump blackmailed Ukraine for political gain. You forget all that?

No, I do not believe that's true. 

 

Did anyone actually believe in 2016 that Biden would be a contender in 2020?

 

I bet you still believe the Russian collusion hoax and that Jan 6 was an armed insurrection. 

 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

That is not my point, which is that only Trump sent lethal arms before the invasion.

That Obama refused to send, and that Biden cancelled when he took office, along with the Trump imposed Russian sanctions. 

[Inderpland]

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

I bet you still believe the Russian collusion hoax and that Jan 6 was an armed insurrection. 

Already replied to that. I guess Trump isn't the only one with age related issues.

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Inderpland said:

Already replied to that. I guess Trump isn't the only one with age related issues.

And your "response" was already shown to be false, yet you still make the same claim. 

 

 

[Inderpland]

10 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And your "response" was already shown to be false, yet you still make the same claim. 

 

 

I'm the only one posting links while you're just parroting MAGA talking points. Putin loves you.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Inderpland said:

I'm the only one posting links while you're just parroting MAGA talking points. Putin loves you.

You post links because you are not able to make a coherent argument.

 

Your claim is that Jan 6 was an "armed insurrection", yet no one in the Capital building was caught with a firearm, and no on in the Capital building was charge with, much less convicted of insurrection. 

 

You have not supported that claim.

 

You are just parroting MSNBC talking points. Hamas loves you. nah nah nah 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

That Obama refused to send, and that Biden cancelled when he took office, along with the Trump imposed Russian sanctions. 

Halted, not cancelled! 😀

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Halted, not cancelled! 😀

Sorry.

 

Trump provided weapons to Ukraine that Obama had refused to provide, and that Biden halted when he took office, along with Biden cancelling the Trump imposed Russian sanctions. 

 

Better? 

[Inderpland]

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You post links because you are not able to make a coherent argument.

Says the guy who can't support his wild claims with links to credible sources so instead makes incoherent arguments.

Don't worry; Putin loves you but Trump loves you even more!

 

Donald Trump: 'I love the poorly educated'

 

PS. When Trump says 'we love the poorly educated' they break out in raucous applause. You couldn't make this up!😆

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Inderpland said:

Says the guy who can't support his wild claims with links to credible sources so instead makes incoherent arguments.

Don't worry; Putin loves you but Trump loves you even more!

 

Donald Trump: 'I love the poorly educated'

 

PS. When Trump says 'we love the poorly educated' they break out in raucous applause. You couldn't make this up!😆

Why wild claims have I made that I have not supported? 

 

Your claim is that Jan 6 was an "armed insurrection", yet no one in the Capital building was caught with a firearm, and no on in the Capital building was charge with, much less convicted of insurrection. 

 

You have not supported that claim, now you (apparently) want to change the subject. 

 

I would put my education up against yours anytime. 

[candide]

48 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Sorry.

 

Trump provided weapons to Ukraine that Obama had refused to provide, and that Biden halted when he took office, along with Biden cancelling the Trump imposed Russian sanctions. 

 

Better? 

Details matter. 😀

 

The "War mongerer" Biden freezed the weapon deliveries as a gesture of good will  before the summit with Putin, and restarted them after that.

 

Biden also did not cancel all sanctions on Russia. He canceled only the sanctions on the company building NS 2, in order to please Germany. The other sanctions were maintained. It can be also noted that the Trump NS 2 sanctions have been useless as 95% of the pipeline project was already completed at the end of Trump's mandate.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Details matter. 😀

 

The "War mongerer" Biden freezed the weapon deliveries as a gesture of good will  before the summit with Putin, and restarted them after that.

So Biden was kissing Putin's butt, got it. 

 

Like Obama and missile defense... 

1 minute ago, candide said:

 

Biden also did not cancel all sanctions on Russia. He canceled only the sanctions on the company building NS 2, in order to please Germany. The other sanctions were maintained. It can be also noted that the Trump NS 2 sanctions have been useless as 95% of the pipeline project was already completed at the end of Trump's mandate.

I said he canceled the Trump imposed sanctions, not all sanctions, didn't I? 

 

And why was Putin's puppet sanctioning Russia and shipping weapons to Ukraine? 

 

Why did Putin not invade while he had his puppet in the Whitehouse? 

 

 

[still kicking]

 

[shdmn]

Such a happy looking couple.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Such a happy looking couple.

 

 

go thre

I wonder how many frames they had to go through one by one to get that one. 

 

Heym how about the Harris's husband beating on his old girlfriend, do you think he smacks Kamalya around? She might even like it. Willie Brown said she liked it rough.  

[shdmn]

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I wonder how many frames they had to go through one by one to get that one. 

 

Heym how about the Harris's husband beating on his old girlfriend, do you think he smacks Kamalya around? She might even like it. Willie Brown said she liked it rough.  

Or maybe it's the public humiliation of him getting BJs from Laura Loomer recently and the whole raw dogging a porn star while Melania was having his child thing. 

 

I can see how anyone who supports the convicted felon fraudster would have trouble understanding why that may be a problem for her.

Edited October 18 by shdmn

[spidermike007]

6 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

What's your take on Obama?

And absolutely brilliant orator who can hold a train of thought for a moments at a time, a man of such dignity and grace, compared to the scam artist, convicted felon huckster. 

 

And very highly regarded around the world, instead of Huge Don, who is held in great contempt. 

Edited October 18 by spidermike007

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, shdmn said:

Or maybe it was, ya know, the public humiliation of BJs from Loomer and raw dogging a porn star while Melania was having his child. 

Allegedly raw dogging a porn star.  

[spidermike007]

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

The syndrome strikes back.

Trump deceives his supporters. 

Edited October 18 by spidermike007

[shdmn]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Allegedly raw dogging a porn star.  

 

 

Edited October 18 by shdmn

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, shdmn said:

I know you are but what am I? nah nah nah

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Inderpland said:

Already replied to that. I guess Trump isn't the only one with age related issues.

[still kicking]

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Inderpland said:

Says the guy who can't support his wild claims with links to credible sources so instead makes incoherent arguments.

Don't worry; Putin loves you but Trump loves you even more!

 

Donald Trump: 'I love the poorly educated'

 

PS. When Trump says 'we love the poorly educated' they break out in raucous applause. You couldn't make this up!😆

 

No. But you could.

[ericbj]

On 10/17/2024 at 7:59 PM, Lacessit said:

If Russia has not run out of artillery shells, why is it buying them from North Korea?

 

If its military is not demoralised, why are there multiple recordings of soldiers complaining about their equipment, food and officers?

 

What massacre of ethnic Russians? Creditable links please. IIRC Stalin starved 6 million Ukrainians to death during the Holodomor.

 

Putin annexed Crimea illegally. He then repeated the dose by invading the Donbas.

 

Quite true, aircraft carriers are more vulnerable. It does not change the fact America is the only country that can project power globally. I suggest you check out how many military aircraft America has, compared to everyone else.

 

The competence of the Russian navy can be measured by the fact it has been forced to retreat from Sevastopol by a nation with no navy of its' own.

 

Putin has consistently said he wants to restore the Soviet Union to its former glory. Ukraine is only the first step in achieving his aspiration.

 

NATO is a defensive treaty. There is nothing in its articles which permits the invasion of any non-NATO country.

 

I don't know where you get the idea Putin is regarded as a weakling. Opponents are regularly poisoned, defenestrated, or imprisoned. He has made some major mistakes by listening to the cadre of intelligence functionaries he brought with him into power. They tell him what they think he wants to hear.

 

Quite a political coup for Putin, when Finland and Sweden applied to join NATO.

 

The Russian Federation is in the process of destroying itself. The Western technologists who kept their oil flowing are gone. The demographic is 87 men to 100 women. Interest rates at 18%. No one wants rubles. The home-grown engineers and scientists are all at retirement age. The best and brightest have fled Russia, to escape being drafted for the Ukraine meat grinder. The purchasers of Russian military equipment are having buyer's remorse.

 

It sounds like you are reciting from a Kremlin playbook, tovarisch.

 

 

 

Making pronouncements upon Russia's right of incursion into the Ukraine is incompatible with self-declared ignorance of the massacres in Odessa, Mariupol and elsewhere, and the eight years targeting of civilians in the Donetsk and the Lugansk by snipers, artillery, and missiles.  Often spewing cluster munitions and sowing swarms of butterfly mines in town centres where there was no military presence.

 

The legality or illegality of the Russian incursion into the Ukraine needs to viewed in the context of US/NATO incursions into sovereign nations in the Middle East, North Africa, and South-East Europe.  "R2P" was often the bogus justification claimed then.  The Russians can claim the same, but on more solid grounds.

 

Putin is not Stalin, although it is understandable that many Ukrainians should still feel strongly about the Holomodor.  But the starvation of the 1930s affected all grain-producing areas of the USSR, "including Kazakhstan, Northern Caucasus, Kuban Region, Volga Region, the South Urals, and West Siberia."

"The Kazakh famine of 1930–1933, also known as the Asharshylyk, was a famine during which approximately 1.5 million people died in the Kazakh Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic, then part of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic in the Soviet Union, of whom 1.3 million were ethnic Kazakhs. An estimated 38 to 42 percent of all Kazakhs died, the highest percentage of any ethnic group killed by the Soviet famine of 1930–1933. Other research estimates that as many as 2.3 million died. … The famine began in the winter of 1930, a full year before the famine in Ukraine."

 

Not all Ukrainians had clean hands.  The liquidation of the Jewish population is well known.  But perhaps less well known is this: "The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia were carried out in German-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army with the support of parts of the local Ukrainian population against the Polish minority in Volhynia, Eastern Galicia, parts of Polesia and the Lublin region from 1943 to 1945."

 

Incidentally, I am not some pro-Russian stooge.  I am wholeheartedly opposed to Russian support for Min Aung Hlaing's regime.  And was pleased to see that they had to buy back some of the AFVs they sold him; because they needed them for spare parts.

[Lacessit]

7 hours ago, ericbj said:

 

Making pronouncements upon Russia's right of incursion into the Ukraine is incompatible with self-declared ignorance of the massacres in Odessa, Mariupol and elsewhere, and the eight years targeting of civilians in the Donetsk and the Lugansk by snipers, artillery, and missiles.  Often spewing cluster munitions and sowing swarms of butterfly mines in town centres where there was no military presence.

 

The legality or illegality of the Russian incursion into the Ukraine needs to viewed in the context of US/NATO incursions into sovereign nations in the Middle East, North Africa, and South-East Europe.  "R2P" was often the bogus justification claimed then.  The Russians can claim the same, but on more solid grounds.

 

Putin is not Stalin, although it is understandable that many Ukrainians should still feel strongly about the Holomodor.  But the starvation of the 1930s affected all grain-producing areas of the USSR, "including Kazakhstan, Northern Caucasus, Kuban Region, Volga Region, the South Urals, and West Siberia."

"The Kazakh famine of 1930–1933, also known as the Asharshylyk, was a famine during which approximately 1.5 million people died in the Kazakh Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic, then part of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic in the Soviet Union, of whom 1.3 million were ethnic Kazakhs. An estimated 38 to 42 percent of all Kazakhs died, the highest percentage of any ethnic group killed by the Soviet famine of 1930–1933. Other research estimates that as many as 2.3 million died. … The famine began in the winter of 1930, a full year before the famine in Ukraine."

 

Not all Ukrainians had clean hands.  The liquidation of the Jewish population is well known.  But perhaps less well known is this: "The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia were carried out in German-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army with the support of parts of the local Ukrainian population against the Polish minority in Volhynia, Eastern Galicia, parts of Polesia and the Lublin region from 1943 to 1945."

 

Incidentally, I am not some pro-Russian stooge.  I am wholeheartedly opposed to Russian support for Min Aung Hlaing's regime.  And was pleased to see that they had to buy back some of the AFVs they sold him; because they needed them for spare parts.

There are a couple of distortions in your post.

 

AFAIK no nation is pressured into joining NATO. They apply, and have to be accepted by a unanimous vote of existing members. The principal reason for applying is no-one wants to live under the Russian yoke again.

 

There is no "legality or illegality" about it. The Russian annexation of Crimea and invasion of the Donbas are both illegal.

 

The minority Russians in Ukraine were transferred there by Stalin after the Holodomor to aid the Russification of Ukraine. Why do you think Putin is kidnapping Ukrainian children for indoctrination in Russia? Why do you think he is bombarding civilian energy and agriculture? It's Stalin all over again.

 

Yes, the famine affected other areas of Russia. We are talking about Ukraine. Look over there is a deflection.

 

You may not be a Russian stooge. You certainly sound like a Russian apologist.

Edited October 19 by Lacessit

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

There are a couple of distortions in your post.

 

AFAIK no nation is pressured into joining NATO. They apply, and have to be accepted by a unanimous vote of existing members. The principal reason for applying is no-one wants to live under the Russian yoke again.

 

There is no "legality or illegality" about it. The Russian annexation of Crimea and invasion of the Donbas are both illegal.

 

The minority Russians in Ukraine were transferred there by Stalin after the Holodomor to aid the Russification of Ukraine. Why do you think Putin is kidnapping Ukrainian children for indoctrination in Russia? Why do you think he is bombarding civilian energy and agriculture? It's Stalin all over again.

 

Yes, the famine affected other areas of Russia. We are talking about Ukraine. Look over there is a deflection.

 

You may not be a Russian stooge. You certainly sound like a Russian apologist.

It doesn't make much difference. Repeating Kremlin propaganda is repeating Kremlin propaganda.

[candide]

15 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

So Biden was kissing Putin's butt, got it. 

 

Like Obama and missile defense... 

I said he canceled the Trump imposed sanctions, not all sanctions, didn't I? 

 

And why was Putin's puppet sanctioning Russia and shipping weapons to Ukraine? 

 

Why did Putin not invade while he had his puppet in the Whitehouse? 

 

 

1. My mistake. As you wrote "the Trump imposed sanctions", I understood it was about all sanctions imposed by Trump. 😀

2. It's been said it's because his aids convinced him it was good for business (see link)

3. I don't know, I am not privy about it. Are you?

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/15/trump-resisted-ukraine-sale-javelin-antitank-missile/