Thai Authorities Crack Down on Unauthorised Foreign Workers in Bangkok

[Bangkok Black]

Wow, my first thread went off the rails it seems !

An update,

I went to the local office to ask what they needed. Woman, there looked at my work permit and then my passport.

Now, in my passport, there are a few bits of paper stapled inside, all done by immigration. Some white, some blue. I think some are receipts and some reminders.

The company I work for that got the work permit used an address in Bangkok. This address is in my passport on one of the bits of paper.

The woman sees this and then says "Can't do" as I am registered in Bangkok.

So I went away and contacted my company. Now I did forget that my TM30 I did online and it's for the correct address (not Bangkok) and falls under the local office.

Since then I used an agent in Bangkok to get a Thai driver's licence for a car and motorbike. To get this the agent got me a residence certificate. This is at the correct address (not Bangkok) 

So, I think I will go back to the local office again with said residence certificate and TM30 to try again.

 

I will say when me and the wife went in the place was usually empty, it is usually full of people.  One woman was watching videos on her laptop and seemed slightly annoyed when a couple walked in.  I got the impression they don't get many farangs with Thai wives asking for pink ID cards and yellow books so it could be the old "I don't know what I am doing to just give an excuse and get rid of them" line.

 

 

 

 

[Liquorice]

34 minutes ago, Bangkok Black said:

Wow, my first thread went off the rails it seems !

An update,

I went to the local office to ask what they needed. Woman, there looked at my work permit and then my passport.

Now, in my passport, there are a few bits of paper stapled inside, all done by immigration. Some white, some blue. I think some are receipts and some reminders.

The company I work for that got the work permit used an address in Bangkok. This address is in my passport on one of the bits of paper.

The woman sees this and then says "Can't do" as I am registered in Bangkok.

So I went away and contacted my company. Now I did forget that my TM30 I did online and it's for the correct address (not Bangkok) and falls under the local office.

Since then I used an agent in Bangkok to get a Thai driver's licence for a car and motorbike. To get this the agent got me a residence certificate. This is at the correct address (not Bangkok) 

So, I think I will go back to the local office again with said residence certificate and TM30 to try again.

 

I will say when me and the wife went in the place was usually empty, it is usually full of people.  One woman was watching videos on her laptop and seemed slightly annoyed when a couple walked in.  I got the impression they don't get many farangs with Thai wives asking for pink ID cards and yellow books so it could be the old "I don't know what I am doing to just give an excuse and get rid of them" line.

 

All you should have in the back of your passport is the receipt of your TM30 and due 90 day report receipt.

The blue slips are payment receipts, take them out.

 

Most amphoes now request Embassy certified copies of your Passport data page and birth certificate (with parents names).
These then need translating to Thai, then the documents legalising by the Consular section of the MFA.

[Bangkok Black]

Just now, Liquorice said:

All you should have in the back of your passport is the receipt of your TM30 and due 90 day report receipt.

The blue slips are payment receipts, take them out.

 

Most amphoes now request Embassy certified copies of your Passport data page and birth certificate (with parents names).
These then need translating to Thai, then the documents legalising by the Consular section of the MFA.

Ah right, so the blue ones do not need to be in there, ok good I did wonder. I got about 5 pages of those now 555.

One of the white bits I think is the reminder of the next date for 90-day reporting.

 

As for embassy copies of the passport, the woman on the day didn't mention anything about that.

so next time I go with the wife I won't mention that and see what happens.

 

 

[Liquorice]

1 minute ago, Bangkok Black said:

Ah right, so the blue ones do not need to be in there, ok good I did wonder. I got about 5 pages of those now 555.

One of the white bits I think is the reminder of the next date for 90-day reporting.

 

As for embassy copies of the passport, the woman on the day didn't mention anything about that.

so next time I go with the wife I won't mention that and see what happens.

 

 

Your work permit must have the address of your place of employment, which is nothing to do with your residential address.

My guess she saw your work permit address, so correctly stated 'no can do'.

 

Is your house owned by your wife?

[Bangkok Black]

She is in the blue book,

The address the woman saw was in my passport

[Liquorice]

2 minutes ago, Bangkok Black said:

She is in the blue book,

The address the woman saw was in my passport

Many Thais can be in a Blue book.

Is the house owned by you, rented, or a family home.

Is your wife registered on the first page after the address as the 'householder' of the Blue book.

[Bangkok Black]

30 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Many Thais can be in a Blue book.

Is the house owned by you, rented, or a family home.

Is your wife registered on the first page after the address as the 'householder' of the Blue book.

I will check and come back later

[Liquorice]

1 minute ago, Bangkok Black said:

I will check and come back later

Its relevance is that in order to apply for a YB and ID card, the person responsible for the Blue book and named as the householder (first page after address) must sign a form at the Amphoes consenting to you using their address. Without this consent, you cannot apply.

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Black said:

so next time I go with the wife I won't mention that and see what happens.

 

Don't put ideas in their heads. Keep quiet and polite and await their requirements list. Anything unusual, post here for feedback.

[Bangkok Black]

6 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Many Thais can be in a Blue book.

Is the house owned by you, rented, or a family home.

Is your wife registered on the first page after the address as the 'householder' of the Blue book.

1st page is the wife's ex-husband (he died)

The wife is on page 2.

The wife says the house is her and ex-husband's sister.

[Bangkok Black]

5 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

Don't put ideas in their heads. Keep quiet and polite and await their requirements list. Anything unusual, post here for feedback.

Yes hence me saying we will go again to ask/ try to get both but not say "what do you need" instead let them tell us/

[Liquorice]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Black said:

1st page is the wife's ex-husband (he died)

The wife is on page 2.

The wife says the house is her and ex-husband's sister.

He should have been removed from the book by virtue of a stamp across his details.

 

Unfortunately, that still doesn't directly answer the question.
The first page of any Blue book details the address of the residence.

Flip the page and who is the first named person after the ex-husband in the book - they should have been designated as the 'householder' and it is they who would need to sign a consent form.
Others in the book are simply designated as those who reside there.

 

Ask the wife who is registered as the Jao Baan = householder, and Poo Asaai = person who resides here

 

Take the Blue book, your Passport and the receipt of your TM30 confirming you have registered that address as your place of residence with Immigration to the Amphoe.

Do not mention employment or a work permit, that will only confuse them.

Edited 20 hours ago by Liquorice

[Bangkok Black]

13 hours ago, Liquorice said:

He should have been removed from the book by virtue of a stamp across his details.

 

Unfortunately, that still doesn't directly answer the question.
The first page of any Blue book details the address of the residence.

Flip the page and who is the first named person after the ex-husband in the book - they should have been designated as the 'householder' and it is they who would need to sign a consent form.
Others in the book are simply designated as those who reside there.

 

Ask the wife who is registered as the Jao Baan = householder, and Poo Asaai = person who resides here

 

Take the Blue book, your Passport and the receipt of your TM30 confirming you have registered that address as your place of residence with Immigration to the Amphoe.

Do not mention employment or a work permit, that will only confuse them.

1st page is the house details like you said and ex-husband,

then at the bottom of the same page, it says he died and the date.

Next page (2) is the husband and once again on the same page the date he died.

Page 3, is my wife

Page 4 her son

Page 5 The mother in law

 

 

[hereforgood]

Is it something you actually need? I've lived here in Thailand for 21 years worked the first 15 years. I have bought Vehicles bought condos open bank accounts and all kinds of other similar things never once have I needed or been asked for a yellow book or pink ID card. I am also still covered by Thai Social Security medically and don't need or haven't been asked for them at any of the hospitals or medical facilities either. Not sure what benefit you get from them.

[CFCol]

On 10/28/2024 at 10:47 AM, Liquorice said:

All you should have in the back of your passport is the receipt of your TM30 and due 90 day report receipt.

The blue slips are payment receipts, take them out.

 

Most amphoes now request Embassy certified copies of your Passport data page and birth certificate (with parents names).
These then need translating to Thai, then the documents legalising by the Consular section of the MFA.

Rubbish. No certified copies of passport data page and no birth certificates required.

Got mine and my British wife's on Samui in July. Lawer charged 5000B each and accompanied us to Tessabhan for yellow book. Went to Amphur ourselves for pink,( not an ID) card. No problems.

 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, CFCol said:

Rubbish. No certified copies of passport data page and no birth certificates required.

Got mine and my British wife's on Samui in July. Lawer charged 5000B each and accompanied us to Tessabhan for yellow book. Went to Amphur ourselves for pink,( not an ID) card. No problems.

 

Hmmmm, I believe I had to provide a load of nonsense about 15 years back, so not rubbish........😉

 

Oh, that was for the yellow book, ID card was easy....

 

Edited 3 hours ago by transam

[jayboy]

1 hour ago, hereforgood said:

Is it something you actually need? I've lived here in Thailand for 21 years worked the first 15 years. I have bought Vehicles bought condos open bank accounts and all kinds of other similar things never once have I needed or been asked for a yellow book or pink ID card. I am also still covered by Thai Social Security medically and don't need or haven't been asked for them at any of the hospitals or medical facilities either. Not sure what benefit you get from them.

 

It's not needed.You will never be asked for it.It can however be useful eg upscale hotel check ins.The only occasion I'm aware of  when it was definitely something to have was the initial Government COVID shot programme.But you may have had access to that anyway under social security cover. In short. better to have it than not have it, but it doesn't really matter if you don't.

[leonard beaven]

2 hours ago, hereforgood said:

Is it something you actually need? I've lived here in Thailand for 21 years worked the first 15 years. I have bought Vehicles bought condos open bank accounts and all kinds of other similar things never once have I needed or been asked for a yellow book or pink ID card. I am also still covered by Thai Social Security medically and don't need or haven't been asked for them at any of the hospitals or medical facilities either. Not sure what benefit you get from them.

Sometimes pink id useful when not carrying passport,when doing transfers in banks for example,supermarkets if paying utility bills.

[flexomike]

1 hour ago, CFCol said:

Rubbish. No certified copies of passport data page and no birth certificates required.

Got mine and my British wife's on Samui in July. Lawer charged 5000B each and accompanied us to Tessabhan for yellow book. Went to Amphur ourselves for pink,( not an ID) card. No problems.

 

You just got lucky, I needed translated copies of my passport and marriage certificate, costed me 300 baht for expidited service, 5000 baht is pretty pricy for something that is free at most offices

[crazykopite]

Getting a driver’s license using an agent is illegal I wouldn’t be broadcasting it if I were you as for the house book and ID card think i paid 300 baht some 8 years ago took about 20 minutes

[transam]

Just now, crazykopite said:

Getting a driver’s license using an agent is illegal I wouldn’t be broadcasting it if I were you as for the house book and ID card think i paid 300 baht some 8 years ago took about 20 minutes

You were robbed.......🤕

[Bangkok Black]

2 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

Getting a driver’s license using an agent is illegal I wouldn’t be broadcasting it if I were you as for the house book and ID card think i paid 300 baht some 8 years ago took about 20 minutes

Broadcasting it? 555

Its all over facebook

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

 

It's not needed.You will never be asked for it.It can however be useful eg upscale hotel check ins.The only occasion I'm aware of  when it was definitely something to have was the initial Government COVID shot programme.But you may have had access to that anyway under social security cover. In short. better to have it than not have it, but it doesn't really matter if you don't.

Buying and selling wehicles, no need for residence certificate, as well renewing visa. 

 

And some national parks give you local price 

Edited 1 hour ago by Hummin

[jayboy]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Buying and selling wehicles, no need for residence certificate, as well renewing visa. 

 

Plenty of easy alternatives.The Pink card can certainly be useful but it's not essential.

 

 

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

Plenty of easy alternatives.The Pink card can certainly be useful but it's not essential.

 

 

I got it, and it, and when first got it, it cost nothing to have it. 

 

And also when arriving, I flash my card with my retirement extension and get to use Thai passport or VIP line 

[4MyEgo]

On 10/28/2024 at 2:08 PM, Bangkok Black said:

I went to the local office to ask what they needed

 

If you have a lot of time to waste, go for it, but be prepared to provide them with a S load of paperwork, bring the Mayor in and meet the Big Chief for the interview.

 

At the end of the day, it really isn't worth the hassle, I have had mine for a decade, never used them once, tried to board a domestic airline with the Pink ID car, no, you are not Thai I was told, Passport required for farang....LOL

 

Yellow Book is only good if you want to buy a car and have it in your name.

 

Maybe other can enlighten me as to any good uses they have.

[zackxx]

3 hours ago, hereforgood said:

Is it something you actually need? I've lived here in Thailand for 21 years worked the first 15 years. I have bought Vehicles bought condos open bank accounts and all kinds of other similar things never once have I needed or been asked for a yellow book or pink ID card. I am also still covered by Thai Social Security medically and don't need or haven't been asked for them at any of the hospitals or medical facilities either. Not sure what benefit you get from them.

No you don't actually need a Pink ID card but it can be helpful. How? 1. You can get the cheaper Thai price at some establishments. 2. Use the Pink ID card as ID for your Thai bank accounts as the this ID is valid for 10 years whereas your passport (and passport number) change when your passport is full and you get a new one. Saves the hassle of keeping all your old passports for use as ID when dealing with a Thai bank in which you opened an account with years ago with an old passport.

 

As for the Thai Social Security for those that paid into the system when they worked here, you elected what public hospital annually you would prefer to be treated by for "free" if something happened to you. Upon retirement in Thailand you can elect to A) receive a Thai pension paid monthly or, B) retain all the hospital benefits that you had when you worked in Thailand by paying only THB432/month. Hospitalization is also "free". So it serves as very cheap health insurance. Note that it will be a Thai public hospital and not a private one.

[khunPer]

20 hours ago, Liquorice said:

The first page of any Blue book details the address of the residence.

Flip the page and who is the first named person after the ex-husband in the book - they should have been designated as the 'householder' and it is they who would need to sign a consent form.
Others in the book are simply designated as those who reside there.

The house holder – or "host" – is registered be the local tessa ban-district office and should be listed in a house book, in the person is living in the house.

 

I'm for example not listed in the blue house book – cannot, as I'm an alien – and even before I got my yellow house book for aliens, I was the one to approve names to be registered in the blue house book,as I'm registered as "host" – I own the house – by the tessa ban-office.

 

In a house book – either blue or yellow for the house – after a person's ID-number is listed "status", and that will say "host" if it's the person that can approve for other names to be registered in the house book(s).

[jayboy]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

 

And also when arriving, I flash my card with my retirement extension and get to use Thai passport or VIP line 

 

Glad it works for you.But access to fast line available to anyone over 70 (or even lower in practice). Don't need Pink card for this.

[khunPer]

3 hours ago, CFCol said:

Rubbish. No certified copies of passport data page and no birth certificates required.

Got mine and my British wife's on Samui in July. Lawer charged 5000B each and accompanied us to Tessabhan for yellow book. Went to Amphur ourselves for pink,( not an ID) card. No problems.

It's different from one tessa ban-office to another – house book is not issued by the amphor-office, but some places tessa ban-office might be in same building or building complex – some offices request an authorized translation, like Samui where I also lives, while others might wish the translation of the name page of the passport legalized by an embassy.

 

Therefore, always ask first at the local district office exactly what they wish from the foreigner, to be iregistered in a yellow house book for aliens; at some placees they are quite strict and also request two witnesses, for example a neighbour and a government employee.