Thai-panic: AirAsia flight defies disaster over denied landing in India

[Gobbler]

Just now, Gobbler said:

They just rule as long as they get the permission from Air traffic control

Show me the FAR that says this. 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

9 hours ago, renaissanc said:

If I had been the pilot, I'd have said something like this to the control tower. "We are going to crash as a result of no fuel left. I want to know each of your names for the plane's voice recorder. The investigation will find out anyway. Then you can all be jailed for life after the crash." I'd have added a few expletives as encouragement.

 

   The pilot would have got into big trouble for making a false claim , declaring  an emergency when there isn't one is a serious matter 

[Gobbler]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The pilot would have got into big trouble for making a false claim , declaring  an emergency when there isn't one is a serious matter 

Oh f88k, you non-pilots know nothing. Stop making claims of fact that you know nothing about. 

 

 

[Caldera]

I didn't need more reasons NOT to fly to India, and yet they just keep coming...

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, soi3eddie said:

 

What I want to know is how it kept flying with minus 15 minutes of fuel...

 

 

Thermals.

[Nick Carter icp]

51 minutes ago, Gobbler said:

Oh f88k, you non-pilots know nothing. Stop making claims of fact that you know nothing about. 

 

 

 

OK, so what would be the consequences if a pilot made a false claim about an emergency ?

   If a pilot pretended he was going to crash ?

Would everyone just laugh about it ?

If the emergency services were called to be on the runway over a false claim ?

[Lorry]

10 hours ago, soi3eddie said:

 

What I want to know is how it kept flying with minus 15 minutes of fuel...

 

In a moving object time passes slower according to Einstein's theory of relativity, that's why the plane could fly 45 minutes with only 30 minutes of fuel.

[Gobbler]

32 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

OK, so what would be the consequences if a pilot made a false claim about an emergency ?

   If a pilot pretended he was going to crash ?

Would everyone just laugh about it ?

If the emergency services were called to be on the runway over a false claim ?

 

Thirty minutes of fuel is already an emergency.  If the Captain has no place to land and the ATC is screwing with him, it's an emergency. 

 

ATC can declare an emergency for a pilot.  

 

All these stupid what-if questions are a waste of time. 

[Patong2021]

The facts of this event are inconsistent with the story. The Thai Air Asia  flight did not operate on October  26.

It did operate October 27. This is a quick turnaround service meaning that it lands, refuels, is groomed and then  departs one hour later.   So, the reference to only being released on October 27, does not  make sense. The flight 

 

FD 182 Thai AirAsia DMK Bangkok - KTM Kathmandu   Delayed by 40m

Arrival Scheduled  14:00 Actual Arrival 14:40 

 

FD 183  Thai AirAsia   KTM Kathmandu -DMK Bangkok    Delayed by 3h 35m

Departure Scheduled 15:00   Actual  18:46 

 

The flights are late 50% of the time on both portions of the flight, late into KTH at less than 30 minutes, and late into DMK  at less than 60 minutes.  I expect this is much ado about nothing.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Gobbler said:

 

Thirty minutes of fuel is already an emergency.  If the Captain has no place to land and the ATC is screwing with him, it's an emergency. 

 

ATC can declare an emergency for a pilot.  

 

All these stupid what-if questions are a waste of time. 

 

 

No, 30 minutes of fuel is not an emergency, but it is a sign that an emergency could happen if there are any delays:

Minimum fuel

When an aircraft has enough fuel to get to the destination and land, but not enough for delays or route changes, the pilot will declare "minimum fuel". This is not an emergency, but it lets air traffic control (ATC) know that the aircraft can't accept any delays at the destination. ATC will advise the flight crew of any expected delays and coordinate a transfer of control if needed.

 

[Gobbler]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

No, 30 minutes of fuel is not an emergency, but it is a sign that an emergency could happen if there are any delays:

Minimum fuel

When an aircraft has enough fuel to get to the destination and land, but not enough for delays or route changes, the pilot will declare "minimum fuel". This is not an emergency, but it lets air traffic control (ATC) know that the aircraft can't accept any delays at the destination. ATC will advise the flight crew of any expected delays and coordinate a transfer of control if needed.

 

I don't care about your definitions. A PIC or pilot in command can declare an emergency no matter what the situation. 

 

I tire of you non-pilots promulgating nonsense.

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, Gobbler said:

I don't care about your definitions. A PIC or pilot in command can declare an emergency no matter what the situation. 

 

I tire of you non-pilots promulgating nonsense.

 

  But a professional pilot would only declare an emergency when necessary 

   30 minutes of fuel left really isn't an emergency , but yeah, rogue pilots can declare an emergency if they want 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Gobbler said:

Off you go. You're on my list. I won't waste time with you again. 

 

  Are you declaring an emergency LOL 

[hotchilli]

20 hours ago, webfact said:

A Thai AirAsia flight found itself in a death-defying situation straight out of a Hollywood blockbuster when it was denied permission to land at an airport in India. Passengers were left fearing for their lives as the aircraft was forced to circle for a staggering 45 minutes with only 30 minutes of fuel remaining in the tank

BS

[ravip]

12 hours ago, Gobbler said:

The Captain should be admonished for NOT DECLARING an EMERGENCY. Then he lands where he wants. Air traffic controllers do not RULE the sky. Pilots rule the sky. 

 Air traffic controllers do not RULE the sky. Pilots rule the sky.

 

 I don't think anyone 'rules' the sky, per se. in the airline business. Everyone has his part to do, and just one person slips, the entire aircraft is in danger.

The ATC, Pilot, Engineer and even the the guy who pumps the fuel, plays a critical part in the entire airline safety scenario...IMHO

 

[Aussie999]

13 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

 

No confusion.  Destination Nepal, running low on fuel so requested landing in India, refused, so, with no other choice, carried on to Nepal.

Again you trying to be #1, but nowhere does it mention an Indian airport, by name, or location. Simara is in Nepal. the flight was never scheduled to land anywhere in India.. you really should stop trying to beat everyone... Even Tribhuvan International Airport, is in Kathmandu... again, Nepal, so unless you can give better information, than is in the article... I await an apology.

[Dan O]

17 hours ago, Gobbler said:

Why would the crew not declare an emergency? Would this action cause a loss of face? 

Because there was no emergency to announce, they still have 30 minutes of fuel remaining. 

[Nick Carter icp]

13 hours ago, Gobbler said:

I don't care about your definitions. A PIC or pilot in command can declare an emergency no matter what the situation. 

 

I tire of you non-pilots promulgating nonsense.

 

   I have watched numerous real life documentaries about flights and Captains only declare an emergency when really necessary , 30 minutes of fuel is still a lot of fuel left when above the airport and it wouldn't be an emergency 

[ravip]

All airlines should employ Pilots from Aseannow. Seems they know best!

[josephbloggs]

10 minutes ago, ravip said:

All airlines should employ Pilots from Aseannow. Seems they know best!

Especially the really belligerent one who spouts arrogant nonsense - just the type of person you want in charge of an airliner. 

We do actually have a real Captain on this forum but he has sensibly not got involved. Leave it to the armchair pilots. This forum really does have experts in every field.

[Gobbler]

5 hours ago, Dan O said:

Because there was no emergency to announce, they still have 30 minutes of fuel remaining. 

Another non-pilot heard from.  

 

Just stop.  You show ignorance about a subject you obviously know nothing about.

[Gobbler]

1 hour ago, ravip said:

All airlines should employ Pilots from Aseannow. Seems they know best!

Are you a pilot?

 

No? 

 

Then you should know what to do. 

[Dan O]

2 hours ago, Gobbler said:

Another non-pilot heard from.  

 

Just stop.  You show ignorance about a subject you obviously know nothing about.

Whats your knowledge??

 

You know nothing of what I know. Its a fact they still had 30 minutes of fuel so no emergency needed to be declared at that point. They appraised the tower and got permission to land. 

[Gobbler]

22 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Whats your knowledge??

 

You know nothing of what I know. Its a fact they still had 30 minutes of fuel so no emergency needed to be declared at that point. They appraised the tower and got permission to land. 

They don't need permission upon declaring an emergency. The airport becomes theirs. 

 

I am a certificated pilot.  Are you?

[Gobbler]

23 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Whats your knowledge??

 

You know nothing of what I know. Its a fact they still had 30 minutes of fuel so no emergency needed to be declared at that point. They appraised the tower and got permission to land. 

You would also be a fool to show up with less than minimum fuel. 

[mancub]

8 minutes ago, Gobbler said:

They don't need permission upon declaring an emergency. The airport becomes theirs. 

 

I am a certificated pilot.  Are you?

Commercial airline ?......or a weekend PPL holder "twitching" out of Pig's Knuckle Arkansas ?😁

[Gobbler]

2 minutes ago, mancub said:

Commercial airline ?......or a weekend PPL holder "twitching" out of Pig's Knuckle Arkansas ?😁

I have to make it easy for you? Do some investigating.

[Gobbler]

Pilot is a word at least in America that denotes someone certificated by the FAA. All pilots carry the same certificate. An ATP pilot carries the same certification as a UPS 777 pilot delivering packages in the sky. 

 

Funny, the FARS are the same too. 

 

You fake flight simulator pilots think you know aviation. You don't.

[Gobbler]

There are ICAO rules, FARS in the USA and company procedures and minimums.  For commercial purposes, all have to be followed. The story is incomplete. I have no idea how much fuel they had when they were first denied landing. They may not have had an emergency when they arrive. 

 

It sounds as if games were played by ATC that turned into an emergency. 

[josephbloggs]

7 minutes ago, mancub said:

Commercial airline ?......or a weekend PPL holder "twitching" out of Pig's Knuckle Arkansas ?😁

He wouldn't be let anywhere near a commercial airliner.

Just a wannabe.