Labour Government’s Bold Claim to “honesty with voters” Has Unraveled Quickly

[mokwit]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We all have different memories of Blair’s administration.

 

I recall a booming economy, it made me a lot of money for which I am grateful.

In the context of your remark yours seems to have been that it boomed due to immigration, but you now evade with 'We all have different memories of Blair’s administration.'

[mokwit]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I apologized.

 

Here it is again.

 

I’m sorry I mistook you for that other fellow.

No you didn't you made a remark about the back of the class which most would have interpreted as casting dispersions on my intelligence level. stop slithering and take responsibility.

[mokwit]

Reeves has no idea.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, mokwit said:

No you didn't you made a remark about the back of the class which most would have interpreted as casting dispersions on my intelligence level. stop slithering and take responsibility.

Don’t jump to conclusions.

 

It might have been a thinly veiled compliment.

On recollection it was.

 

[James105]

49 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Running a business is obviously no guarantee of virtue when it comes to paying taxes:

 

https://www.nao.org.uk/press-releases/small-businesses-evading-tax-leave-hmrc-billions-out-of-pocket/

 

You are talking about criminals here as tax evasion is and continues to be a crime.   Let me school you by providing a link that gives more details:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/09/billions-lost-from-small-retailers-in-tax-evasion-says-watchdog

 

Note that "sweet shops" and "takeaways" are the main culprits.   Are these the "business owners" you are referring to that do not pay tax?   

[James105]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We all have different memories of Blair’s administration.

 

I recall a booming economy, it made me a lot of money for which I am grateful.

 

I recall an illegal war followed by an economic crash of biblical proportions after originally inheriting an economy on the up.  Remind me how the PFI initiatives are working out for the NHS?  Actually no need I'll school you again by providing helpful link to the consequences of the Blair legacy:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/25/nhs-hospital-trusts-paying-hundreds-of-millions-in-interest-to-private-firms

[Denim]

2 hours ago, sungod said:

NI contributions for employers up equals more operating costs and therefore less chance of a payrise, fewer jobs offered, product prices up.

 

Oh, and dont work hard and save your money in property as a pension plan, they will nick that off you with an increase capital gains. 

 

Best thing to do is sit on your ass with your hand out.

 

That last is the second best thing to do.

 

The best thing to do is learn Afghani  , go to France , throw away your passport etc then come back in a rubber boat and claim asylum.

[BKKBike09]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t live in Pattaya or frequent the bar stools in that city.

Perhaps you should give it a go. Might make you less cantankerous.

 

 

[sungod]

Workers have been warned their pay will be hit by Budget tax rises aimed at employers.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj72wxw8jxo

 

Doubt if many remember voting for that, but at least the train drivers will be OK with their big rise from 2 Tier Kier.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

You are talking about criminals here as tax evasion is and continues to be a crime.   Let me school you by providing a link that gives more details:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/09/billions-lost-from-small-retailers-in-tax-evasion-says-watchdog

 

Note that "sweet shops" and "takeaways" are the main culprits.   Are these the "business owners" you are referring to that do not pay tax?   

Here’s my statement:

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You guessed right, I’ve never run a business.

 

I have however paid my taxes every single year since I first started work, which is more than can be said of many people who ‘run businesses’.

 

 

I have provided a link to substantiate my statement, and I agree people who evade taxes are criminals.

 

Do now do you agree when I assert many people who run businesses evade taxes?

 

It’s a simple yes or no answer.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

8 hours ago, Social Media said:

Labour’s claim of a £22 billion “black hole” in the finances, meant to justify their tax measures, was revealed to be more fiction than fact, lacking support from the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR).

 

   Seems like Labour were lying about a £22 Billion black hole .

Reason being that they could blame Tories for everything .

[mokwit]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Seems like Labour were lying about a £22 Billion black hole .

Reason being that they could blame Tories for everything .

We have been promised a line by line breakdown by Reeves. i am not holding my breath.

[sungod]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here’s my statement:

 

I have provided a link to substantiate my statement, and I agree people who evade taxes are criminals.

 

Do now do you agree when I assert many people who run businesses evade taxes?

 

It’s a simple yes or no answer.

 

 

Shall we get back on topic and discuss the title, that Labour lied to their voters?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, sungod said:

 

Shall we get back on topic and discuss the title, that Labour lied to their voters?

Forgive me for answering posts addressed to me.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Chomper Higgot

[James105]

2 minutes ago, mokwit said:

We have been promised a line by line breakdown by Reeves. i am not holding my breath.

 

The OBR have confirmed what we already knew.  It was a lie.   A lie that has been repeated literally hundreds of times by Reeves and Starmer.    Tory PMs have resigned for a lot less than what these clowns are doing.   How are they allowed to lie to the public and lie to parliament without consequence?  

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9qljw7915yo

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

I recall an illegal war followed by an economic crash of biblical proportions after originally inheriting an economy on the up.  Remind me how the PFI initiatives are working out for the NHS?  Actually no need I'll school you again by providing helpful link to the consequences of the Blair legacy:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/25/nhs-hospital-trusts-paying-hundreds-of-millions-in-interest-to-private-firms

I recall Parliament voting on that war and the Tories voting for it in higher proportion than Labour MPs

 

I also recall mass left wing demonstrations against that war.

 

The Global Economic Crisis was ( there is a clue in the name) a global event with global impacts.

 

[sungod]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Forgive me for answering posts addressed to me.

 

 

Once you've finished deflecting, lets get back on topic eh?

[sungod]

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

The OBR have confirmed what we already knew.  It was a lie.   A lie that has been repeated literally hundreds of times by Reeves and Starmer.    Tory PMs have resigned for a lot less than what these clowns are doing.   How are they allowed to lie to the public and lie to parliament without consequence?  

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9qljw7915yo

 

Who's that question to? Chomper is not answering any on the topic today.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

The OBR have confirmed what we already knew.  It was a lie.   A lie that has been repeated literally hundreds of times by Reeves and Starmer.    Tory PMs have resigned for a lot less than what these clowns are doing.   How are they allowed to lie to the public and lie to parliament without consequence?  

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9qljw7915yo

You need to find a new link, that one does not substantiate your claim of a lie.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, sungod said:

 

Once you've finished deflecting, lets get back on topic eh?

Please do.

[James105]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I recall Parliament voting on that war and the Tories voting for it in higher proportion than Labour MPs

 

I also recall mass left wing demonstrations against that war.

 

The Global Economic Crisis was ( there is a clue in the name) a global event with global impacts.

 

 

They voted for it as they were misled.  

 

"Referring to the 2003 vote to invade Iraq, he said: "If you look just at the debate alone, on five different grounds the House was misled, three in terms of the weapons of mass destruction, one in terms of the UN votes were going, and one in terms of the threat, the risks."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36756878

 

Labour were overspending before the crash.   Had they not done so the UK would not have been so affected.  

[Nick Carter icp]

8 hours ago, Social Media said:

Chancellor Rachel Reeves implementing a substantial £40 billion tax hike—one of the most significant in recent history, despite concerns that it may dampen economic momentum.

 

In addition to this tax increase, Reeves is taking on significant borrowing, which she once promised to avoid in favor of “balancing the books.” The funds are intended for expansive public spending projects, a move that will undoubtedly drive inflation, keep interest rates high, and place additional financial burdens on future generations.

 

   So, Tax and spend .

Same as usual from Labour 

[Denim]

5 hours ago, Denim said:

Pouring money into a broken NHS without any serious attempt to scrutinize where all the leaks are is just money down the drain IMO.

 

Hasn't worked until now and so a different result can't be expected.

 

 

I am not sure that the NHS has its priorities right but now it will be getting more funding for such questionable spending.

 

NHS to roll out six new specialist gender centres for children and young people

 7 August 2024

 

NHS England will roll out up to six new specialist regional centres by 2026 to provide tailored gender services for children and young people, based on recommendations in the Cass Review.

 

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2024/08/nhs-to-roll-out-six-new-specialist-gender-centres-for-children-and-young-people/

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

They voted for it as they were misled.  

 

"Referring to the 2003 vote to invade Iraq, he said: "If you look just at the debate alone, on five different grounds the House was misled, three in terms of the weapons of mass destruction, one in terms of the UN votes were going, and one in terms of the threat, the risks."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36756878

 

Labour were overspending before the crash.   Had they not done so the UK would not have been so affected.  

I’m pleased to learn you accept that ‘information available at the time’ is a consideration of ‘decision/statements/votes’ made at that time.

 

I’m also pleased to learn that ‘misleading the house’ is also a matter that troubles you.

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So, Tax and spend .

Same as usual from Labour 

That’s what Governments do with taxes.

 

Well, OK, some governments tax and hand the money to corporations and the hyper wealthy, but I digress.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s what Governments do with taxes.

 

Well, OK, some governments tax and hand the money to corporations and the hyper wealthy, but I digress.

And a government, who are supposed to represent the working class rob their pensioners of benefits, given to them by a Party who is generally assumed to represent the well off, strange that, eh....

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s what Governments do with taxes.

 

Well, OK, some governments tax and hand the money to corporations and the hyper wealthy, but I digress.

 

   Some Governments tax less and spend less .

This Labour Government will be taxing,  borrowing and spending .

Future generations can balance the books 

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Some Governments tax less and spend less .

This Labour Government will be taxing,  borrowing and spending .

Future generations can balance the books 

I believe increased in spending on the NHS and schools was a promise that people voted for.

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I believe increased in spending on the NHS and schools was a promise that people voted for.

 

   Was the 40 billion GBP tax hike mentioned in Labours manifesto to get get elected ?

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

I recall a booming economy, it made me a lot of money for which I am grateful

 

Obviously not enough to retire on, given your daily activity on here.