Expats and Retirees Excluded in Thailand's Citizenship Grants

[baansgr]

1 hour ago, jwest10 said:

Yes can see all angles but quite frankly most of us are ashamed to call ourselves British and they way all colours of Government "treat"  their own British-born and bred Citizens yes we have enough illegals and so-called Stateless refugees and many of us have wonderful Thai families to support.
However, like many other countries, the ones who contribute zilch get all the benefits.

Yes agreed we know we will never be Thai but we certainly look after our wonderful families and these Stateless people how much salary would they bring in and yes in many other countries get all the benefits going, Just saying!!!
 

But you don't contribute, how much tax and social security did you pay last year on your salary earned in Thailand?

[Antti]

5 minutes ago, black tabby12345 said:

Expats & retirees excluded from Citizenship deal.

 

So what?

Any problems with that?

Nice to be here as an expat.

That is enough.

 

 

Fine by me, as long as they quietly shelve their plans of taxing expats.

[sambum]

13 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Of course you don't, have you contributed any tax or social security payments to the Thai system?

I was asking Bradiston the question how to apply for citizenship, and how it would affect other aspects of my life, yet you jump on my back like I'm some kind of freeloader. Please read my post in the manner that it was intended.

[PhillyBoy]

5 hours ago, Aviatorhi said:

Look at that - a country doing something right instead of trying to start a mass deportation program.

Well, I doubt that any of the people they are talking about allowing them to stay are terrorists, murderers, sex offenders, sent from a jail from any country, a drug dealer, a rapist, or any other type of criminal. So, imagine that.

[black tabby12345]

2 hours ago, Tarteso said:

I have no interest in having Thai nationality either.

 

I have no interest either.

To those from the 1st world country(that does not allow dual citizenship), becoming a Thai national is a Loss, instead of Gain.

Visa waiver entry entitlement is the first  to go.

Many 1st & 3rd world countries impose strict visa requirements on Thai people.

They often have to submit  heaps of papers simply to prove they are genuine tourist(not a undercover unauthorized migrant workers).

And the stay period is also often pretty limited.

 

Visa requirements for Thai citizens - Wikipedia

 

 

[kingstonkid]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This is meant to address refugees and those who have spent their lives in Thailand, and are stateless. It is a decent thing to do. 

The question arises as to whether it improves their life.  Once you are Thai min wage kicks in as well as taxation.

 

Wonder how many chamber maids will lose their jobs.  Also does that mean all welfare benefits are now eligible 

[baansgr]

35 minutes ago, sambum said:

I was asking Bradiston the question how to apply for citizenship, and how it would affect other aspects of my life, yet you jump on my back like I'm some kind of freeloader. Please read my post in the manner that it was intended.

Have you paid tax and social security payments on your income earned in Thailand for the past 4 years, that is a requirement for citizenship.ok. not jumping on anyone's back👍

[black tabby12345]

52 minutes ago, Antti said:

 

Fine by me, as long as they quietly shelve their plans of taxing expats.

 

6 months on after tax chief's bark, nothing solid announced ever.

[shackleton]

When I read some Expats and Retirees think they should be given the same status as refugees from Laos Burma and so on 

What planet are these guys on

Some need to take their beer glasses off 😱

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, sambum said:

 

I have lived here for 20 years and have been married to a Thai wife for 6 of those, so do I qualify for citizenship, how do I apply, how much would it cost me, and would I then qualify for free medical care and be allowed to vote? Also how would it affect my pension from the UK as I would no longer be a British citizen?

I suggest you ask around those who've done it, and/or ask a lawyer. You'd still be a UK citizen as a dual national, so it wouldn't affect your pension. I don't think there's free medical care here. I have dual nationality. Not Thai. But it's never ever been an issue.

[Baht Simpson]

Pointless giving citizenship to retirees who are going to self-liquidate in a few years if you're looking to enhance the population.  They're unlikely to procreate or even survive for too long.  😀 

[bradiston]

3 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

Irrelevant to the discussion...you seem to have some form of mental illness... have a nice life.... can you even attempt to dispute what I said.

What form of mental illness, gaslighter? Crummy troll. You claim everything here is BS. So I say, go back to your own country. Why are you here?

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, connda said:

Like I said, in the Thai government's opinion men married to Thai women for 15+ years can go to Hell. 

You can apply. You just have to meet the requirements. Being married to a Thai isnt all that's required. I'm not even sure if it is required.

[black tabby12345]

16 minutes ago, shackleton said:

When I read some Expats and Retirees think they should be given the same status as refugees from Laos Burma and so on 

What planet are these guys on

Some need to take their beer glasses off 😱

 

Some people might be Cannabis High while commenting.

[Aussie999]

5 minutes ago, bradiston said:

What form of mental illness, gaslighter? Crummy troll. You claim everything here is BS. So I say, go back to your own country. Why are you here?

mate, you do post BS.. so what's your point. You can use "gaslighting" if you wish, that doesn't mean I am wrong, it really means you just do not understand... I am still waiting for you to repute anything I said... so please, stop embarrassing yourself. Also, I do NOT call EVERYTHING here BS... so stop the ever increasing BS. Go quietly to your room. No-one here supports anything you have said.

[baansgr]

21 minutes ago, bradiston said:

You can apply. You just have to meet the requirements. Being married to a Thai isnt all that's required. I'm not even sure if it is required.

It isn't required but shaves 5 years of the process 

[NanLaew]

6 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

How does the expat status of people from Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia differ from expats from western countries? Theyrw both expats. Also, I'd say it's safe to say, that expats and retirees from western countries have more expendable income than any of the neighboring Asian countries. They therefore stimulate tue economy quote a bit more per capita...

 

The people from Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia are stateless.

 

What's your state?

[NanLaew]

6 hours ago, bradiston said:

Refugees are expats? Are you kidding?

 

Enlighten us. What is your definition of expat?

[NanLaew]

5 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

Absolutely correct, one of my main gripes is expats that have legally married & purchased properties & raised families even if they have been residing here for many years are always never considered for any legalisation to stay in the country

 

So? deal with it. Nobody invited you to pitch your tent here.

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, bradiston said:

There is a crowd of ignorant fools in this thread who are conflating stateless persons and refugees who have been living in Thailand for decades, mostly, and foreigners who choose to retire here at their leisure, and can pack up and leave any time they want. They have nothing in common with stateless people and refugees. And of course there are the usual numbskulls dragging in the UK, the NHS and "illegal" immigrants there.

 

Either sort would probably vote Reform if they were back home.

[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, BaslerBebbi said:

I don’t understand why “Farangs” which are married with a Thai don’t have the possibility after several years to become Thai citizens. 
In many countries it is normal and family friendly. 

 

Can you name these "family friendly" countries?

 

Do any of these "family friendly" countries have go-go bars?

[NanLaew]

5 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Thailand needs a willing workforce, instead of chasing illegals, turn them into citizens and tax them.

This is about revenue, not human rights.

 

Plus, it garners the incumbent government and partners a handy few hundred thousand votes before the next rinse and repeat cycle election.

[AndreasHG]

6 hours ago, bradiston said:

How does the expat status of people from Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia differ from expats from western countries?

 

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This is meant to address refugees and those who have spent their lives in Thailand, and are stateless. It is a decent thing to do. 

 

[bradiston]

11 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

mate, you do post BS.. so what's your point. You can use "gaslighting" if you wish, that doesn't mean I am wrong, it really means you just do not understand... I am still waiting for you to repute anything I said... so please, stop embarrassing yourself. Also, I do NOT call EVERYTHING here BS... so stop the ever increasing BS. Go quietly to your room. No-one here supports anything you have said.

You said

 

"Thailand does not want farang citizens,  we remember their BS, we discuss their BS, we do not believe most things they say,  we would not vote the way the power brokers/military wants us to.... we bring our western idea of democracy,  that Thailand certainly does not accept."

 

So what are you referring to, "their BS" ? And "we do not believe most things they say", we wouldn't vote the way they do, and they don't accept "our western idea of democracy". Not very complimentary, is it, to say the least. Theyre full of BS, they lie, and they don't follow western voting patterns!

 

And you suggest I have some form of mental illness and that noone here supports antything I've said.

 

You're wrong mister. In every respect. About me, about Thais and about Thailand.

[Toby1947]

Thai citizenship, don't make me laugh, oh go on then 🤣😂🤣

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

I don't think this should surprise anyone, Thailand does not want farang citizens,  we remember their BS, we discuss their BS, we do not believe most things they say,  we would not vote the way the power brokers/military wants us to.... we bring our western idea of democracy,  that Thailand certainly does not accept.

 

What on earth do you mean by "we do not believe most things they say"?

 

90% of Thailand's farang squatters don't understand the local lingo. How can anyone hope to believe the things they can't even understand?

[bradiston]

9 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Enlighten us. What is your definition of expat?

Someone who's chosen to retire, or settle, outside their own country, voluntarily, with the means to do so.

 

Now you enlighten me. Are you a refugee, an expat, or a Thai citizen? And I don't mean you don't like the Labour Party so you left the UK, therefore you're a political refugee.

[Gknrd]

If that doesn't tell ya where you stand in the pecking order in Thailand nothing will. Give me ya money or get out sucker.

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

The government have yet to find that out... most Thais pay foreigners minimum wages.

 

Foreign teachers maybe? Most foreign industry professionals command decent and competitive salaries.

[bradiston]

18 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

The people from Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia are stateless.

 

What's your state?

Citizens of Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia are stateless? How so and since when?