Let The Fraud Begin

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, pattayasan said:

 

Allowing Russia to take all of Ukraine is a guarantee that ww3 will happen. There is no way Europe will tolerate that. Stopping militaristic imperialism is the only way to peace. Notice there was prolonged peace after Germany and Japan were stopped at the point of a gun.

There was an agreement on the table. Boris - under orders from the US no doubt - scuppered the deal. What can Europe do? Without the US, it is toothless.

 

The conflict in Ukraine is much more than simply who controls the Donbass. It is one of the west vs east battlegrounds. There is another; and very likely some others on the way.

 

Is The Don more likely to escalate things? He might not have a say in matters. Decisions are made way above his pay-grade; even as POTUS. 

 

As for the Dems winning. Just more of the same I fear. 

 

Where is the candidate urging 'peace'?

 

[pattayasan]

3 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

There was an agreement on the table. Boris - under orders from the US no doubt - scuppered the deal. What can Europe do? Without the US, it is toothless.

 

The conflict in Ukraine is much more than simply who controls the Donbass. It is one of the west vs east battlegrounds. There is another; and very likely some others on the way.

 

Is The Don more likely to escalate things? He might not have a say in matters. Decisions are made way above his pay-grade; even as POTUS. 

 

As for the Dems winning. Just more of the same I fear. 

 

Where is the candidate urging 'peace'?

 

 

There's isn't one. Now is not the time for peace. Now is the time to defeat Russia before ww2 starts. Just like the opportunity was missed in ww2. Trump is no peacenik either. He told Netanyahu he has months to "finish the job" and certainly wants to bomb Iran. This notion that Trump seeks peace alone among war hawk politicians is bunkum.

 

The c-nat nut jobs want the end times war and Trump is happy to give it to them if they elect him, such is his transactional nature and moral deprivation..

Edited yesterday at 08:26 AM by pattayasan

[bubblegum]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Anytime any of you Wikpedia geniuses want to start a Topic, Ill be right there for you. Its may cost you money, you will have to read and think for yourself and buy a Kindle, although the Internet Archive library is free.

You starting to make even less sense then Trump

[owl sees all]

35 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

Now is not the time for peace. Now is the time to defeat Russia before ww3 starts.

And who might be able to do that? Over-blown, over-hyped US. Europe? Bat-sh!ie bonkers Britain?

 

The west has to come to terms with the new kid on the block. Trade is the answer. There is no reason why anyone in the world should go hungry, not have clean water to drink, clean air to breathe, and worry about war.

 

It's the rich that sends their poor to die. 

Edited yesterday at 08:59 AM by owl sees all
correct spellings

[mogandave]

14 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

And who might be able to do that? Over-blown, over-hyped US. Europe? Bat-sh!ie bonkers Britain?

 

The west has to come to terms with the new kid on the block. Trade is the answer. There is no reason why anyone in the world should go hungry, not have clean water to drink, clean air to breathe, and worry about war.

 

It's the rich that sends their poor to die. 

That requires capitalism, which the left sees as evil.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

19 hours ago, bubblegum said:

It's actually sad people believe this. Hey I have a nice red bridge for sale goes well with your hat. The call it Golden Gate but in truth it's red. Do me an offer.

The sad thing is that lefty people refuse to accept that the 2020 election was at best 'dubious' and at worst was subjected to the world case of election fraud in history. Me thinks the truth is somewhere in between.  The States changed their election Laws and Rules after 2020, far far more than has been done in the last 10-20 years combined - I wonder why. Let me answer for you - because there was something not right - cannot prove it or point exactly what was wrong - but all those rules and laws were changed for a reason.  We have moved on - Biden won and has been POTUS for 4 years - but we know something was just 'not right'.  

[TroubleandGrumpy]

18 hours ago, Dan O said:

I believe that it's you who has him living in your head. You've lost touch with fact and given up your moral compass following a POS. You are too ignorant or share common beliefs that are abhorrent for any leader. You really should educate yourself on who Trump has been all his life. Stop being a sheep. You don't need to reply as you've lost the little credibility you may have had so I have no desire to discuss this with you any further

Ditto - someone that hates a politician so much like you and others here do, is not worth talking to. Policies will win this election - something Harris cannot talk about because they are the same as for the last 4 years. 

[pattayasan]

Just now, TroubleandGrumpy said:

The sad thing is that lefty people refuse to accept that the 2020 election was at best 'dubious' and at worst was subjected to the world case of election fraud in history. Me thinks the truth is somewhere in between.  The States changed their election Laws and Rules after 2020, far far more than has been done in the last 10-20 years combined - I wonder why. Let me answer for you - because there was something not right - cannot prove it or point exactly what was wrong - but all those rules and laws were changed for a reason.  We have moved on - Biden won and has been POTUS for 4 years - but we know something was just 'not right'.  

 

This myth is going to join the the flat earth in the annals of history. Please produce a scintilla of evidence or spare us the pain.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

12 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Not sure how much you know about election laws and ballot challenges.  The only thing that is anonymous is who you vote for.
 

Sure States have differences, but did a full read of my County Registrar's website this time. Shocked how much personal information is “public record”  Name, address, telephone number. Whether one voted or not.  
 

The mail in ballots are tracked by bar code.  Drop boxes- Locations are manned by election workers and only available during business hours.  

Not only have you lefties believed that 2020 election was the "most secure election ever", you refuse to read and learn what happened in multiple locations across the swing States. Ballots and Votes were accepted without signature verifications, late \votes were accepted that 'appeared' out of nowhere, counting locations were closed and vote vetters were thrown out and windows blocked, people were caught dropping multiple ballots/votes into boxes on multiple occasions and multiple locations, boxes of ballots/votes arrived that were dramatically in favour of Biden - way more than the State averages - if I recall one large lot was 92% for Biden. And on and on and on it went - but to prove in a Court election fraud requires far more than being 'dubious' - just ask OJ. 

[HonestQuietTom]

5 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

The sad thing is that lefty people refuse to accept that the 2020 election was at best 'dubious' and at worst was subjected to the world case of election fraud in history. Me thinks the truth is somewhere in between.  The States changed their election Laws and Rules after 2020, far far more than has been done in the last 10-20 years combined - I wonder why. Let me answer for you - because there was something not right - cannot prove it or point exactly what was wrong - but all those rules and laws were changed for a reason.  We have moved on - Biden won and has been POTUS for 4 years - but we know something was just 'not right'.  

History will be very unkind to the pedlars of such nonsense.

Trump lost fair and square.

 

You "cannot prove it or point out exactly what was wrong" - because there is nothing there.

Rules and laws were changed because Trump tried desperately to overturn a lost election and damn near nearly succeeded.

The problem wasn't the existing electoral system, the problem was/is Trump.

 

Thank god Kamala has finally ended the psychotic narcissists political career.

[HonestQuietTom]

4 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Not only have you lefties believed that 2020 election was the "most secure election ever", you refuse to read and learn what happened in multiple locations across the swing States. Ballots and Votes were accepted without signature verifications, late \votes were accepted that 'appeared' out of nowhere, counting locations were closed and vote vetters were thrown out and windows blocked, people were caught dropping multiple ballots/votes into boxes on multiple occasions and multiple locations, boxes of ballots/votes arrived that were dramatically in favour of Biden - way more than the State averages - if I recall one large lot was 92% for Biden. And on and on and on it went - but to prove in a Court election fraud requires far more than being 'dubious' - just ask OJ. 

Insanity.

 

The scary part is:

 

"“Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”

 

How much violence will Trump's cultists inflict on the nation after he loses on November 5th?

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exhaustive-fact-check-finds-little-evidence-of-voter-fraud-but-2020s-big-lie-lives-on

[Yagoda]

52 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

You starting to make even less sense then Trump

Translation: Im another one afraid to debate.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

7 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

 

Here it is in full, with its original hyperlinks to other Times’ coverage of Trump preserved: “You already know Donald Trump. He is unfit to lead. Watch him. Listen to those who know him best. He tried to subvert an election and remains a threat to democracy. He helped overturn Roe, with terrible consequences. Mr. Trump’s corruption and lawlessness go beyond elections: It’s his whole ethos. He lies without limit. If he’s re-elected, the G.O.P. won’t restrain him. Mr. Trump will use the government to go after opponents. He will pursue a cruel policy of mass deportations. He will wreak havoc on the poor, the middle class and employers. Another Trump term will damage the climate, shatter alliances and strengthen autocrats. Americans should demand better. Vote.”

New York Times Editorial Board Rips Apart Donald Trump in Single Paragraph

New York Times - right - now there is an unbiased source I value. They are worse than CNN and The View - rabid anti-GOP fanaticals. When Trump calls them all fake news, the NYT is top of the list. 

 

If Trump is elected he will do the same good things he did last time - all those BS views and opinions are not from a sane unbiased media group.  This is from the NYT editorial opinion when he was elected in 2016 - they have not changed (actually they are worse):-

I fear the worst. Trump intuited and revealed the worst traits of worried Americans — their search for scapegoats, their desire to prostrate themselves before an autocratic savior, their bigotry. If Trump governs as he has campaigned, America and the world face real and present danger.

Opinion | President Donald Trump - The New York Times

 

Let me tell you - Trump did not fire up the discontent, the discontent was there due to Bush and Obama, and had been there for a long time.  Trump positioned himself as someone that would fix those problems the real people had - he did not create the divide, he put himself out there as being on the non-establishment side of the divide.  And the majority of Americans over-whelmingly agreed with him - as we will see again on Tuesday (all things being fair and equal).  Those predictions of gloom and destruction by NYT in 2016 did not happen - the opposite did. WW3 is closer to happening under Biden but it ever was not under Trump. And Trump will not throw economic prosperity at the gods of climate change, nor allow unvetted illegals and criminals to become Citizens and vote, and he will apply tariffs to stop other countries taking advantage of globalist policies - Trump will put Americans first - again.  And I will also state the obvious - he is going to tear down the people and institutions that used politics to divide the people for their own benefits - race baiting hustlers and woke liberal fanatics that allowed trans nutters to change children's lives  are going to be torn down this time. Trump mistook their actions last time and tried appeasement - he will not make that mistake again. 

 

Edited yesterday at 09:50 AM by TroubleandGrumpy

[HonestQuietTom]

14 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: Im another one afraid to debate.

Another one?

You mean in addition to Trump who refused to debate Kamala again.

[bubblegum]

15 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: Im another one afraid to debate.

Wrong but I do need a translator to make sense of your rubbish (garbage)

[bubblegum]

35 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

The sad thing is that lefty people refuse to accept that the 2020 election was at best 'dubious' and at worst was subjected to the world case of election fraud in history. Me thinks the truth is somewhere in between.  The States changed their election Laws and Rules after 2020, far far more than has been done in the last 10-20 years combined - I wonder why. Let me answer for you - because there was something not right - cannot prove it or point exactly what was wrong - but all those rules and laws were changed for a reason.  We have moved on - Biden won and has been POTUS for 4 years - but we know something was just 'not right'.  

Conspiracy here, there and everywhere. 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

15 minutes ago, HonestQuietTom said:

Insanity.

 

The scary part is:

 

"“Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”

 

How much violence will Trump's cultists inflict on the nation after he loses on November 5th?

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exhaustive-fact-check-finds-little-evidence-of-voter-fraud-but-2020s-big-lie-lives-on

 

19 minutes ago, HonestQuietTom said:

History will be very unkind to the pedlars of such nonsense.

Trump lost fair and square.

 

You "cannot prove it or point out exactly what was wrong" - because there is nothing there.

Rules and laws were changed because Trump tried desperately to overturn a lost election and damn near nearly succeeded.

The problem wasn't the existing electoral system, the problem was/is Trump.

 

Thank god Kamala has finally ended the psychotic narcissists political career.

 

Thanks for the laughs mate - much appreciated. Truly you have a serious issue with Trump (not alone in that), and what I recommend you do is to listen to the Joe Rogan interview. That is the real Trump right there - talks in circles and as Joe said 'you weave a story'. Joe had to bring him back on target several times, but in the end he got to the core of Trump (as he does with most of his interviewees) and he is flawed but he means well and is trying to do the right thing. Consummate smooth talking politician - not a chance -  that is Obama and Clinton (Bill).  

 

It was your lot that threw so much hate and vitriol at Trump that he was almost assassinated - you claimed he was a threat to democracy and Hitler and a fascist nazi and so much worse - for years and years. Have you seen that was wrong - no - most of you actually wish he had been killed.  There would be very very few Trump or GOP supporters who would actually want Biden or Harris to be assassinated - because we are not followers of a centralised cult that has damaged our humanity.  Think about it - you guys want him dead - you act like terrorists with hatred in your hearts and support atrocities being committed.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

36 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

This myth is going to join the the flat earth in the annals of history. Please produce a scintilla of evidence or spare us the pain.

I have no reason to prove to you what millions of rational people think happened. Deny it all you can - refuse to listen all you want - but it happened.

 

The ONLY thing you have that the election was 'most secure ever' is not proof, but it is lack of proof it was a 'fake election'. Biden won and was officially sworn in a POTUS - but his one term Presidency will always be dirtied by the very dubious election results.  Trump got 12 million more votes in 2020 than he got in 2016 - and he lost??  Biden got 12 million more votes than Obama got when he swept into power???  Biden got 16 million more votes than Hillary got????  Get real mate. Obviously something very dubious happened due to the relaxation of voting rules that happened in multiple States due to Covid. That aint gonna save Harris this time. 

[sandyf]

7 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Who cares. Not this American.

Fairly obvious Americans don't care about anyone other than themselves, something the world is beginning to realise.

[pattayasan]

2 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I have no reason to prove to you what millions of rational people think happened. Deny it all you can - refuse to listen all you want - but it happened.

 

The ONLY thing you have that the election was 'most secure ever' is not proof, but it is lack of proof it was a 'fake election'. Biden won and was officially sworn in a POTUS - but his one term Presidency will always be dirtied by the very dubious election results.  Trump got 12 million more votes in 2020 than he got in 2016 - and he lost??  Biden got 12 million more votes than Obama got when he swept into power???  Biden got 16 million more votes than Hillary got????  Get real mate. Obviously something very dubious happened due to the relaxation of voting rules that happened in multiple States due to Covid. That aint gonna save Harris this time. 

 

Over 60 court cases and nothing. What is wrong with MAGA supporters? It's like religion, no facts (or lack of facts) will move them.

[HonestQuietTom]

3 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

 

 

Thanks for the laughs mate - much appreciated. Truly you have a serious issue with Trump (not alone in that), and what I recommend you do is to listen to the Joe Rogan interview. That is the real Trump right there - talks in circles and as Joe said 'you weave a story'. Joe had to bring him back on target several times, but in the end he got to the core of Trump (as he does with most of his interviewees) and he is flawed but he means well and is trying to do the right thing. Consummate smooth talking politician - not a chance -  that is Obama and Clinton (Bill).  

 

It was your lot that threw so much hate and vitriol at Trump that he was almost assassinated - you claimed he was a threat to democracy and Hitler and a fascist nazi and so much worse - for years and years. Have you seen that was wrong - no - most of you actually wish he had been killed.  There would be very very few Trump or GOP supporters who would actually want Biden or Harris to be assassinated - because we are not followers of a centralised cult that has damaged our humanity.  Think about it - you guys want him dead - you act like terrorists with hatred in your hearts and support atrocities being committed.

Once again, another post void of facts.

 

Trump is a godawful human being - there is an abundance of evidence proving it to be so.

(just ask any lady who's had their pussy grabbed by him)

 

Your opinions on the root cause of the assassination attempt are, unsurprisingly, not aligned with reality.

 

A lone troubled young man, registered Republican and Democrat donor, who googled both Biden and Trump rallies before the assassination attempt (turned out Trump was scheduled to appear at a location very close to his home).

 

Whatever has been dished out to Trump as far as name calling is but a fraction of what he himself spewed at others.

It is Trump who has single handedly dragged American politics into the gutter.

 

As for the rest of your post - trying to take the moral high ground by falsely accusing others of what simply isn't true reveals your true, morally devoid character.

 

The only way you can feel good about yourself is by denigrating others - Trump would be proud.

 

This next bit will come as a surprise to none but the red baseball cap wearing lobotomy crowd - MAGA is a cult.

 

BTW - when you say we act like terrorists - do you mean we are like the ones we all saw on January 6th 2021?

 

 

[Yagoda]

16 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Fairly obvious Americans don't care about anyone other than themselves, something the world is beginning to realise.

Why should we? We have spent enough money on your squabbles.

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Why should we? We have spent enough money on your squabbles.

 

 

Because in the long run 'you' felt it was in your own best interests. 

 

Pretty confident if you didn't have skin in the game you wouldn't lift a bone bone spur to help.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

25 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Over 60 court cases and nothing. What is wrong with MAGA supporters? It's like religion, no facts (or lack of facts) will move them.

Nearly all the cases were dismissed or dropped for lack of evidence or lack of standing - there was no real 'trials' - they did not proceed. Big Difference Mate.  Why can you lot not see the doubts?? Because you dont want to - Biden would be illegitimate. 

 

Here's the deal - if Harris wins then Biden did win in 2020 and it was all fair and square - I will accept that. But if Trump wins then the 2020 election will forever be in doubt. It will never be ruled as a fraud - but for all time it will be a stain on the USA voting system and democracy. 

 

Fair enough??

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Nearly all the cases were dismissed or dropped for lack of evidence or lack of standing - there was no real 'trials' - they did not proceed. Big Difference Mate.  Why can you lot not see the doubts?? Because you dont want to - Biden would be illegitimate. 

 

Here's the deal - if Harris wins then Biden did win in 2020 and it was all fair and square - I will accept that. But if Trump wins then the 2020 election will forever be in doubt. It will never be ruled as a fraud - but for all time it will be a stain on the USA voting system and democracy. 

 

Fair enough??

 

"Nearly all the cases were dismissed or dropped for lack of evidence or lack of standing"........Mmmmmm?

[TroubleandGrumpy]

25 minutes ago, HonestQuietTom said:

Once again, another post void of facts.

 

Trump is a godawful human being - there is an abundance of evidence proving it to be so.

(just ask any lady who's had their pussy grabbed by him)

 

Your opinions on the root cause of the assassination attempt are, unsurprisingly, not aligned with reality.

 

A lone troubled young man, registered Republican and Democrat donor, who googled both Biden and Trump rallies before the assassination attempt (turned out Trump was scheduled to appear at a location very close to his home).

 

Whatever has been dished out to Trump as far as name calling is but a fraction of what he himself spewed at others.

It is Trump who has single handedly dragged American politics into the gutter.

 

As for the rest of your post - trying to take the moral high ground by falsely accusing others of what simply isn't true reveals your true, morally devoid character.

 

The only way you can feel good about yourself is by denigrating others - Trump would be proud.

 

This next bit will come as a surprise to none but the red baseball cap wearing lobotomy crowd - MAGA is a cult.

 

BTW - when you say we act like terrorists - do you mean we are like the ones we all saw on January 6th 2021?

Give it a rest mate - you cannot debate - just more counter insults and distortions given to you by the media.

 

By the way - I have never seen terrorists without weapons - that would be like Gaza terrorists entering Israel and just throwing insults about and busting up furniture.  In a Nation with over 500 million weapons, not one of these 'insurrectionists' took one inside??? And unarmed insurrection? How does that work mate???  You really believe that BS dont you - but will you believe the truth when it is all uncovered and those responsible are punished?? Liz Cheney can run but she cant hide. Others are going down with her. Just ask Tulsi Gabbard why she quit the Democrats - then you might see the truth mate. You have been lied to.  

[Will B Good]

6 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Nearly all the cases were dismissed or dropped for lack of evidence or lack of standing - there was no real 'trials' - they did not proceed. Big Difference Mate.  Why can you lot not see the doubts?? Because you dont want to - Biden would be illegitimate. 

 

Here's the deal - if Harris wins then Biden did win in 2020 and it was all fair and square - I will accept that. But if Trump wins then the 2020 election will forever be in doubt. It will never be ruled as a fraud - but for all time it will be a stain on the USA voting system and democracy. 

 

Fair enough??

 

40 cases were dropped for lack of evidence......does that not tell you anything????

[spidermike007]

On 11/2/2024 at 9:31 AM, Dan O said:

Why are you trying to blow this up. Hahaha, name names of who or why. It appears he voted illegally and then for some reason tried to get his ballot back in the same day. Stupidity seems to be the order of the day. He was caught and will face some type of prosecution. Is it that big a deal for you? Are you afraid it will sway the election?  

Yes he is afraid. Very afraid that his guy will be a two time loser and face prison time and total irrelevance. 

[HonestQuietTom]

36 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Give it a rest mate - you cannot debate - just more counter insults and distortions given to you by the media.

 

Is the above an example of your high quality debating technique?

 

36 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

By the way - I have never seen terrorists without weapons - that would be like Gaza terrorists entering Israel and just throwing insults about and busting up furniture.  In a Nation with over 500 million weapons, not one of these 'insurrectionists' took one inside??? And unarmed insurrection? How does that work mate???  You really believe that BS dont you - but will you believe the truth when it is all uncovered and those responsible are punished?? Liz Cheney can run but she cant hide. Others are going down with her. Just ask Tulsi Gabbard why she quit the Democrats - then you might see the truth mate. You have been lied to.  

 

January 6 resulted in 7 deaths - hardly something t be proud of.

 

Sounds like you pretty clearly received the message Trump was dog whistling about Liz Cheney.

 

Tulsi Gabbard is an opportunistic grifter with alarming links to Russia - I'm guessing she joined Trump because she heard they were accepting garbage.

 

Edited yesterday at 11:24 AM by HonestQuietTom

[cjinchiangrai]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: I'm another one afraid to debate.

It is like debating flat-earthers. Your reality is a lie and a fraud. There is no debating delusional people.