34 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That's because the majority don't need it but there are others that do and others that have no choice because its the only option available. Links provided aldready!

Hence the increased funding to state education, to provide the education all children have a right to regardless of the financial circumstances they were born into.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Katatonica said:

There will always be a huge variance in state sector schools and buying into a better area will generally get you a better school. 'Buying privileges' (note that a plural doesn't have an apostrophe) as you put it will not go away. Now thousands of people will be leaving the British Armed Forces because they can't afford boarding schools and special needs children will not be able to get their niche education that is so necessary for their well-being. The sole reason I made the choice to go to a boarding school was that my local comprehensive made the national news when its assembly hall was burnt down in a riot, just by the way. 

The state education system will not benefit by this piece of pure envy politics, as is plainly obvious. There is a place available for every child at a state school and the private sector already reduces that pressure by tens of thousands of places. If the system was actually fair, the parents of those children should receive tax credits as they are not being a burden on the state. Private education is thus already a huge benefit to the state education system, taking it away is pointless even if it does make the spiteful far-left feel better.

The state education system will benefit from extra £Billions and the employment of thousands of extra teachers.

 

Nobody is being forced to leave the military, and why does your argument about children with sow is needs ignore those whose parents have never been able to afford private schools?

 

The Government are entirely right to refocus on state education, those wishing to buy privilege can still do so, they just have to pay VAT.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hence the increased funding to state education, to provide the education all children have a right to regardless of the financial circumstances they were born into.

Its not just financial circumstances, its need. Read the links already provided

A particular market of the Cardus School is parents who wish to prep their children for the exams to enter selective state schools.

 

Game the system to get an advantage over children from less financially fortunate backgrounds, to get a slice of an excellent state school education.

 

Every family buying such advantage is taking it from a child with less financial backing.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A particular market of the Cardus School is parents who wish to prep their children for the exams to enter selective state schools.

 

Game the system to get an advantage over children from less financially fortunate backgrounds, to get a slice of an excellent state school education.

 

Every family buying such advantage is taking it from a child with less financial backing.

Its a primary school for gods sake. What is wrong with wanting an excellent education from a school that has excellent OFSTED reports,  that is safe, happy and they make good progress if they can afford it? 

 

Game the system to get an advantage over children from less financially fortunate backgrounds, to get a slice of an excellent state school education.

 

Do you have a link to this claim on parents doing this at Carrdus School? Which selective state schools are so much better than others? Whats the critieria to get accepted to these schools?

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its not just financial circumstances, its need. Read the links already provided

Yes, the nation needs good education services for all children.

 

I’m delighted to see the Labour Government placing the funding and improvement of state education at the center of their policies
 

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, the nation needs good education services for all children.

 

I’m delighted to see the Labour Government placing the funding and improvement of state education at the center of their policies
 

 

Yes that's why the private sector is there, good alternative education that the state does not provide.

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its a primary school for gods sake. What is wrong with wanting an excellent education from a school that has excellent OFSTED reports,  that is safe, happy and they make good progress if they can afford it? 

 

 

 

You don’t see anything wrong with parents purchasing advantage over other children in the exams to selective state schools.

 

Of course you don’t.

 

Who cares if kids can’t buy such advantage, unless of course it was the application of VAT that robbed them of the ability to do so.

 

 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes that's why the private sector is there, good alternative education that the state does not provide.

And it’s still there.

 

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You don’t see anything wrong with parents purchasing advantage over other children in the exams to selective state schools.

 

Of course you don’t.

 

Who cares if kids can’t buy such advantage, unless of course it was the application of VAT that robbed them of the ability to do so.

Do you have a link to this claim on parents doing this at Carrdus School? Which selective state schools are so much better than others? Whats the critieria to get accepted to these schools?

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And it’s still there.

 

 

20% higher costs that have resulted in closed schools and parents not being able to afford it.

26 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its a primary school for gods sake. What is wrong with wanting an excellent education from a school that has excellent OFSTED reports,  that is safe, happy and they make good progress if they can afford it? 

 

Game the system to get an advantage over children from less financially fortunate backgrounds, to get a slice of an excellent state school education.

 

Do you have a link to this claim on parents doing this at Carrdus School? Which selective state schools are so much better than others? Whats the critieria to get accepted to these schools?

It’s a primary school remember, and a ‘prep school’, you know what a ‘prep school is?

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a primary school remember, and a ‘prep school’, you know what a ‘prep school is?

Yes I know, all primary schools are prep schools, they are the same thing, only the private sector prefers the name prep, now back to your claim:

 

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You don’t see anything wrong with parents purchasing advantage over other children in the exams to selective state schools.

 

Of course you don’t.

 

Who cares if kids can’t buy such advantage, unless of course it was the application of VAT that robbed them of the ability to do so.

How do you know they are doing this to then place them in a selective state school? Then comes?

 

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Do you have a link to this claim on parents doing this at Carrdus School? Which selective state schools are so much better than others? Whats the critieria to get accepted to these schools?

 

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I know, all primary schools are prep schools, they are the same thing, only the private sector prefers the name prep, now back to your claim:

 

How do you know they are doing this to then place them in a selective state school? Then comes?

 

 

Primary schools and prep schools are not the same thing.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Primary schools and prep schools are not the same thing.

Deflection, they have more resources, they provide better education, they cost money. 

 

Now back to your claims on what the parents of Carrudus School are doing with the students there? 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, the nation needs good education services for all children.

 

I’m delighted to see the Labour Government placing the funding and improvement of state education at the center of their policies
 

 

There is no funding and improvement, just the removal of choice for people who largely work twice as hard just to be able to pay for their choice of education for their children. Most privately educated children come from perfectly ordinary backgrounds with their parents just wanting them to have the best education they can scrape the funds together for. Imagine how it feels to be pulled out of school mid-year and sent to the one in the nearby sink estate purely through a vicious, spiteful  political decision that will not raise an extra penny for public education, in fact costing the state many more millions and increasing class sizes country-wide to boot?

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You don’t see anything wrong with parents purchasing advantage over other children in the exams to selective state schools.

 

Of course you don’t.

 

Who cares if kids can’t buy such advantage, unless of course it was the application of VAT that robbed them of the ability to do so.

 

 

Many state schools are much better than many private ones: maybe the best ones should be restricted to.. er whom then? Or maybe they should just have their good teachers taken away and forced to work elsewhere then? Life is unfair and you can't level up everyone, all this policy is doing, as with the farmers, is punishing those at the bottom of the sector targeted for punishment.. Communism doesn't work I'm afraid.

34 minutes ago, Katatonica said:

There is no funding and improvement, just the removal of choice for people who largely work twice as hard just to be able to pay for their choice of education for their children. Most privately educated children come from perfectly ordinary backgrounds with their parents just wanting them to have the best education they can scrape the funds together for. Imagine how it feels to be pulled out of school mid-year and sent to the one in the nearby sink estate purely through a vicious, spiteful  political decision that will not raise an extra penny for public education, in fact costing the state many more millions and increasing class sizes country-wide to boot?

 

 

 

Excellent comment 

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hence the increased funding to state education, to provide the education all children have a right to regardless of the financial circumstances they were born into.

 

 

   Taking away private schools will not improve state schools .

Pupils who want to be mechanics do not need a high standard of education 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Taking away private schools will not improve state schools .

Pupils who want to be mechanics do not need a high standard of education 

Nobody has taken away private schools.

 

Carrdus was obviously on the ropes, read the reviews, high staff turnover was already a problem.

How about giving all children a high standard education and then letting them decide what they want to do in life?!

 

 

2 hours ago, Katatonica said:

There is no funding and improvement, just the removal of choice for people who largely work twice as hard just to be able to pay for their choice of education for their children. Most privately educated children come from perfectly ordinary backgrounds with their parents just wanting them to have the best education they can scrape the funds together for. Imagine how it feels to be pulled out of school mid-year and sent to the one in the nearby sink estate purely through a vicious, spiteful  political decision that will not raise an extra penny for public education, in fact costing the state many more millions and increasing class sizes country-wide to boot?

 

One of the best ways to improve a school is for the parents of children at the school to get involved in the schools governance, it’s why state schools in middle class neighborhoods so often have very much higher scores.

 

The highly motivated parents of whom you speak will a long with their children be a positive addition to the state schools they enroll at.

 

They’ll also save some money.

 

Win win.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

One of the best ways to improve a school is for the parents of children at the school to get involved in the schools governance, it’s why state schools in middle class neighborhoods so often have very much higher scores.

 

The highly motivated parents of whom you speak will a long with their children be a positive addition to the state schools they enroll at.

 

They’ll also save some money.

 

Win win.

 

 

You twist so far you end up contradicting yourself to get out of a hole.

 

Quelle surprise.

6 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

You twist so far you end up contradicting yourself to get out of a hole.

 

Quelle surprise.

 

I’m up for it.

 

Try challenging my argument with one of your own.

 

Give it your best go.

2 hours ago, Katatonica said:

Many state schools are much better than many private ones: maybe the best ones should be restricted to.. er whom then? Or maybe they should just have their good teachers taken away and forced to work elsewhere then? Life is unfair and you can't level up everyone, all this policy is doing, as with the farmers, is punishing those at the bottom of the sector targeted for punishment.. Communism doesn't work I'm afraid.

These are very strange ideas.

 

 where did you get them from?

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

I’m up for it.

 

Try challenging my argument with one of your own.

 

Give it your best go.

There's no need to challenge a contradiction. It speaks for itself.

 

1 minute ago, youreavinalaff said:

There's no need to challenge a contradiction. It speaks for itself.

 

Except you can’t identify the  contradiction.

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

These are very strange ideas.

 

 where did you get them from?

 

  Boris Johnson went to a private school

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except you can’t identify the  contradiction.

I've identified it. That's why I commented about it. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I've identified it. That's why I commented about it. 

 

 

No you haven’t.

 

But you are doing a splendid impression of a pigeon playing chess.

 

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

You twist so far you end up contradicting yourself to get out of a hole.

As he does with all his loosing arguments!

You cannot provide a truth or fact that is acceptable to him.

 

I have given up, in most cases, of trying to contradict him as it is a total waste of time.