Foreign Driver in Fatal EV Collision with Motorbike, Drags It Over 50 Metres

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

0-60mph in about 7 seconds.  Nothing to be ashamed about when comparing like-for-like.

Yes, it's not bad, but compared to many EVs (and the way it looks!) it is a bit disappointing.

[AlwaysThere]

1 hour ago, lordgrinz said:

 

The front of the bike is embedded into the front passengers side of the car, that was head-on.

 

Nice to see the video though, whatever happened, more than likely happened at the intersection before the village. I would say the motorcycle tried to make a right turn into the road before the village.

 

Likely the bike was crossing from one side to the other and didn't hear the car at all. 

It clearly wasn't head on or to the back, but a hit to one side of the bike.

[thailand49]

8 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Really?  Speed starts at anything more than 0kph.  In the mid 80s I crashed an Escort into the back of a Capri at 50mph at impact and no one was even injured.

Really!  Must be your origin!🤣

[jacko45k]

8 hours ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Likely the bike was crossing from one side to the other and didn't hear the car at all. 

It clearly wasn't head on or to the back, but a hit to one side of the bike.

Yes, the car hit the bike not the other way around.....I wonder if the car being near silent contributed, and the bike pulled in front. Sad result.

[lordgrinz]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Yes, the car hit the bike not the other way around.....I wonder if the car being near silent contributed, and the bike pulled in front. Sad result.

 

In either case, the bike was completely on the other side of the road, meaning it was a really bad decision to cross or turn in front of the car. The weird part is that the story on ThePattayaNews states the car driver was arrested, which wouldn't jibe with what seems obvious, the car driver has the right-of-way.

[jacko45k]

15 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

In either case, the bike was completely on the other side of the road, meaning it was a really bad decision to cross or turn in front of the car. The weird part is that the story on ThePattayaNews states the car driver was arrested, which wouldn't jibe with what seems obvious, the car driver has the right-of-way.

You never know here, but considering someone was killed, I believe an arrest is obligatory. 

[richard_smith237]

13 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

 

In either case, the bike was completely on the other side of the road, meaning it was a really bad decision to cross or turn in front of the car. The weird part is that the story on ThePattayaNews states the car driver was arrested, which wouldn't jibe with what seems obvious, the car driver has the right-of-way.

 

Given the manner in which many motorcyclists ride, its natural to draw the assumption that the 'bike turned in front of the car'... But that might not be the case. 

 

The 'position the bike ended up' as we can see in the photo, is not a strong indication of the manner in which the impact occurred... This still could have been:

- 'head on'... Bike turned into the car.

- 'side on'... Bike pulled out in front of the car.

- 'Rear-collision'...  Bike was riding slowly and the car hit the back of the rider.

 

That said, I do tend to agree that in all likelihood the car was approaching quickly (looking at the extent of damage) and the bike pulled out in-front of the car without looking....  (but again, thats just an assumption - nothing is really clear).

 

 

Regarding the driver being arrested: If I'm not mistaken, that is standard procedure in any road fatality involving two separate vehicles, the other driver is 'automatically arrested and charged (I think with 'reckless driving') - its just SOP and the way the legal system works here.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 03:10 PM by richard_smith237

[lordgrinz]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Regarding the driver being arrested: If I'm not mistaken, that is standard procedure in any road fatality involving two separate vehicles, the other driver is 'automatically arrested and charged (I think with 'reckless driving') - its just SOP and the way the legal system works here.

 

That's wonderful, getting charged with a crime for doing nothing wrong, nice. So we are driving around with suicidal people, and if they choose to die by pulling in front of us, we get to be treated like a criminal?! I got to get out this nutcase country!

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

That's wonderful, getting charged with a crime for doing nothing wrong, nice. So we are driving around with suicidal people, and if they choose to die by pulling in front of us, we get to be treated like a criminal?! I got to get out this nutcase country!

 

If someone dies, they have to investigate - I believe the charges are dropped quite quickly if you have dash-cam footage that clearly shows you are not at fault - ultimately, its a charge that doesn't stick (this is why its so important to have a dash-cam when driving anywhere, especially here).

 

Thus, its just a formality of the investigation.

 

[CLW]

Just guessing, but given the fact that one person from the motorcycle survived maybe she was wearing a helmet while the other did not ?

[easydoor]

When I see the dammage on the car: the inpact has been very havy. This is not made at a low speed, but a very high speed..

[1happykamper]

On 11/12/2024 at 11:40 AM, Georgealbert said:

This is Thai media coverage of the incident, showing some of the CCTV footage.

 

Wow. Reading all the comments from Thai people is interesting. Asking things like... Was she drunk... Why drive so fast... Did she have a license. The car driver is already guilty according to this lot. Yikes. 

 

No chance that the motorbike rider just didn't look 5555

[hhaat]

5 minutes ago, 1happykamper said:

Wow. Reading all the comments from Thai people is interesting. Asking things like... Was she drunk... Why drive so fast... Did she have a license. The car driver is already guilty according to this lot. Yikes. 

 

No chance that the motorbike rider just didn't look 5555

As a foreigner, I also believe the car driver was at fault.  Driving at more than 30-40 kph on this kind of road is illegal.  This car apparently was being driven at may be 60-100 kph.

[jesimps]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:33 AM, lordgrinz said:

It looks like a head-on collision, or possibly left side of motorcycle hit, and the car is on the far left side of the road. So, Ghost Rider? Unless the motorcycle turned right in front of the car to enter the Sirin Village, which wouldn't surprise me. I can't see any scenario here where the car would be at fault.

It seems to be the case here that in a car/bike collision the car is always at fault.

[1happykamper]

10 minutes ago, hhaat said:

As a foreigner, I also believe the car driver was at fault.  Driving at more than 30-40 kph on this kind of road is illegal.  This car apparently was being driven at may be 60-100 kph.

The speed limit is 60 in that area. 

[TheFishman1]

So after all these years they ever find the Red Bull kid who dragged the cop along the road then he flew out to Singapore or somewhere and sent the judge doctors note saying it was too sick to travel where is the Red Bull kid whatever happened with that how come they don’t put a red notice out on TIT

[metisdead]

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[Wuvu2]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:52 AM, JoePai said:

On 11/12/2024 at 6:25 AM, BritScot said:

Ev are so dangerous to other road users because of the weight of their battery. Everyone's car insurance in the uk has sky rocked year on year, I wonder why???

555 congratulations for the most inane post of the year - to date

 

 

You must have missed the political soapbox forum added this year 🙄

https://aseannow.com/forum/456-political-soapbox/

[newbee2022]

On 11/12/2024 at 6:25 AM, BritScot said:

Ev are so dangerous to other road users because of the weight of their battery. Everyone's car insurance in the uk has sky rocked year on year, I wonder why???

The insurances in UK give their rates according to the weight of the cars? Wow, I missed that😂

[newbee2022]

Obviously speeding, Ekaterina (Russian?), right?🥴

[Freddy42OZ]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:48 AM, CallumWK said:

On 11/12/2024 at 4:02 AM, Georgealbert said:

identified as Ms Ekaterina, nationality was not disclosed

 

That's a difficult one, not?

 

 

She could be from Bulgaria, where Ekaterina is a popular name, she could also be from Ukraine or Belarus where Ekaterina is also common.

 

But you just wanted to be subtly racist and imply she must be Russian.

[JBChiangRai]

The car took 3.5 seconds to come to a stop in the video, it was already decelerating.

 

Assuming it only started braking at the beginning of the video (and it was probably before that), AI puts the speed in excess of 120 km/hr.

[Hakuna Matata]

The driver's nationality may be Ukraine or Russia, or United States.

[CallumWK]

33 minutes ago, Freddy42OZ said:

 

 

She could be from Bulgaria, where Ekaterina is a popular name, she could also be from Ukraine or Belarus where Ekaterina is also common.

 

But you just wanted to be subtly racist and imply she must be Russian.

 

What a Smart aleck, playing the racist card because you were born without a sense of humor, not even knowing that Russians aren't a race.

Back to your cave

Edited 1 hour ago by CallumWK

[lordgrinz]

1 hour ago, 1happykamper said:

Wow. Reading all the comments from Thai people is interesting. Asking things like... Was she drunk... Why drive so fast... Did she have a license. The car driver is already guilty according to this lot. Yikes. 

 

No chance that the motorbike rider just didn't look 5555

 

Exactly! The bikes frontend is embedded in the front of the car, and the car is on the proper side of the road. I still stick with my original assessment, the motorbike drove head-on into the car trying to make a right turn in front of it, or crossed the road without stopping to make sure it was clear to do so. I lean more towards the head-on collision, based on the indent in the hood and what appears to be a head/helmet impact on the passengers side of the windshield.

[richard_smith237]

54 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

Exactly! The bikes frontend is embedded in the front of the car, and the car is on the proper side of the road. I still stick with my original assessment, the motorbike drove head-on into the car trying to make a right turn in front of it, or crossed the road without stopping to make sure it was clear to do so. I lean more towards the head-on collision, based on the indent in the hood and what appears to be a head/helmet impact on the passengers side of the windshield.

 

Please don't take this as argumentative... I'm more interested in the discussion...

 

How are you seeing the 'front end [of the motorcycle] embedded in the front of the car' ?

 

I see the that the motorcycle was hit from the side and is somewhat wedged under the front, we can see where the bonnet of the car appears to have 'wrapped' the deceased.

 

It actually looks to me as though the motorcycle might have turned across the path of the car (from right to left) given the position of the bike 'wedged sideways' across the front of the car - which is odd, as this would imply that the motorcycle either:

a) drove straight across a cross roads (from right to left - from the the perspective of the car driver)

b) turned across the path of the oncoming car.

- Both suggested scenarios imply that the motorcyclist was not paying any attention at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 17 minutes ago by richard_smith237

[lordgrinz]

22 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Please don't take this as argumentative... I'm more interested in the discussion...

 

How are you seeing the 'front end [of the motorcycle] embedded in the front of the car' ?

 

I see the that the motorcycle was hit from the side and is somewhat wedged under the front, we can see where the bonnet of the car appears to have 'wrapped' the deceased.

 

It actually looks to me as though the motorcycle might have turned across the path of the car (from right to left) given the position of the bike 'wedged sideways' across the front of the car - which is odd, as this would imply that the motorcycle either:

a) drove straight across a cross roads (from right to left - from the the perspective of the car driver)

b) turned across the path of the oncoming car.

- Both suggested scenarios imply that the motorcyclist was not paying any attention at all.

 

The one picture shows the front wheel embedded in the passenger side, which if he turned diagonally across the road making a right turn would leave part of the left side of the bike exposed to what you point out. I think a hit from the side would be more of a bump and the bike would be set off course, not so much damage to the car. You've been here long enough to know Thai's don't turn right like we do back in the West, they turn right diagonally heading into oncoming traffic, not by pulling up to the road then turning into it.I see the damage as lining up with my scenario, but that's just my opinion. Either case, the bike pulled in front of an oncoming car, I can't see any scenario where the car driver is at fault, though I don't know her speed, or if speed is even considered.

Edited 12 minutes ago by lordgrinz

[Ben Zioner]

On 11/12/2024 at 6:48 AM, josephbloggs said:

Rubbish. So you're saying the cause of this crash was the weight of the Deepal. Righty ho.

He thinks EVs are powered by Lead/Acid batteries.

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

Either case, the bike pulled in front of an oncoming car, I can't see any scenario where the driver is at fault, though I don't know her speed, or if speed is even considered.

 

Same here...  I cannot envisage a situation whereby the motorcyclist has not turned across the path of the car...  

... I can't see the car being at fault, unless excessive speed is 'also' to blame. 

Edited 14 minutes ago by richard_smith237

[Ben Zioner]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:50 PM, josephbloggs said:

but just lacking in performance.

Why do you need "performance", are you racing? or just worried to get late to the office.