27 minutes ago, candide said:

One more baseless assertion. Who  in the left, is claiming big pharma are pure as the driven snow? You are making it up! 😀

David Andeman

27 minutes ago, candide said:

 

NB It's not the left which blocked a cap of $35 on insulin (it's $12 in Canada), it's the GOP.

The $35 cap on a single medication was just a gimmick. 

 

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

David Andeman

The $35 cap on a single medication was just a gimmick. 

 

David Andeman. Do you have proof or is it just one more baseless assertion?

Is he representing "the left", now? 😀

1 minute ago, candide said:

David Andeman. Do you have proof or is it just one more baseless assertion?

Is he representing "the left", now? 😀

No, he is just a typical leftist. You asked who, I gave you a name.  😀 😀

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I asked AI:

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/why-is-medication-a-lot-more-e-FGUn.GNjSOSFF0B.N6Fhag#0

 

I use this AI because it shows all the sources where the information come from. They are listed in above link.

 

"In summary, the combination of unregulated pricing, a fragmented healthcare system, profit-driven motives of pharmaceutical companies, the influence of PBMs, and strategic legal maneuvers all contribute to the significantly higher costs of medications in the United States compared to other countries."

 

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

100% agree Mr AI.  I only wonder what is the "main" reason for the 7-10x price difference compared to some European countries.

A fact addition to the discussion.

The global insulin market is dominated by three firms: Novo Nordisk, Elie Lily and Sanofi, and it's also the case in the U.S. The same brands are sold at different prices in the U.S. and elsewhere.

 

On top of it, the leader Novo Nordisk is Danish, and the third one, Sanofi, is French.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK278938/table/insulin-pharmacology.T.insulins_commerci/

 

https://academic.oup.com/jlb/article/7/1/lsaa061/5918811

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No, he is just a typical leftist. You asked who, I gave you a name.  😀 😀

So he's not the left and, as usual, you provide no proof he claimed big pharma are pure as the driven snow.

😀

50 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Remember, historically it has always been the left that was skeptical of big pharma, and the military industirial machine, but now that the left has taken them over, they're pure as the driven snow. 

 

Big Pharma gives money to both parties. They juice both democrats and republicans, That said they have always given more  money to Republicans. FACT. Republicans in tune have helped them more than the Dems ever have . Exactly the same with military industries. They have always given more money to Republicans than dems. NOTE - both Musk and Trump recently shilling for Boeing, blaming problems on DEI. Boeing has been digging there own grave for 22 years before DEI existed.

'Taken over by the left' is pure fake news spew so popular with MAGA. Shout it loud and constantly, drown out any discussion, that's the right wings game plan for decades now. 

1 minute ago, Dcheech said:

 

Big Pharma gives money to both parties. They juice both democrats and republicans, That said they have always given more  money to Republicans. FACT. Republicans in tune have helped them more than the Dems ever have . Exactly the same with military industries. They have always given more money to Republicans than dems. NOTE - both Musk and Trump recently shilling for Boeing, blaming problems on DEI. Boeing has been digging there own grave for 22 years before DEI existed.

'Taken over by the left' is pure fake news spew so popular with MAGA. Shout it loud and constantly, drown out any discussion, that's the right wings game plan for decades now. 

Historically given more to Republicans, but I think that has changed in the last ten years. 

 

Boeing Dismantles DEI Team as Pressure Builds on New CEO (1)

4 minutes ago, Dcheech said:

 

That said they have always given more  money to Republicans. FACT.

This not accurate.  Historically they have given more to Republicans but that has flipped drastically since 2020 and Covid.  Democrats now receive the bulk of the money.  Hence the push by democrats to push drugs on the American public.  Not saying that Republicans wouldn't do the same but stating the facts 🙂

18 hours ago, atpeace said:

This is a bad thing?  That is the problem with some democrats. Individuals should be held accountable for their actions.  99% of obese people should not be supported financially with tax dollars for hospital visits or insulin.  They should pay for their choices with their own money in higher insurance premiums or cash out of pocket. 

 

Why is this so hard for some to understand.

Kind of misses the point, surely? Which was that many people have voted for a Government that might do great harm to something that it’s important to them. It was one example of many, to make a point. 

2 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Kind of misses the point, surely? Which was that many people have voted for a Government that might do great harm to something that it’s important to them. It was one example of many, to make a point. 

Get your point but you seem to missed mine 🙂 Cheers

11 hours ago, candide said:

11 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I've always supported big pharma, they saved my life at least twice. 

 

Remember, historically it has always been the left that was skeptical of big pharma, and the military industirial machine, but now that the left has taken them over, they're pure as the driven snow. 

One more baseless assertion. Who  in the left, is claiming big pharma are pure as the driven snow? You are making it up! 😀

 

NB It's not the left which blocked a cap of $35 on insulin (it's $12 in Canada), it's the GOP.

 

I only see Yellowtail's comments when someone replied because he is on my ignore list.

Seeing some of his comments like this it only confirms that it was a good idea to put him on that list.

Some more info about the discussion about big pharma:

 

 

11 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Historically given more to Republicans, but I think that has changed in the last ten years. 

A tepid response, as likely you know the answer. It has not changed in the last ten years. Big Pharma just like the Military industrial complex as people like to call it, gives more money to Republicans than Democrats both historically and in the last ten years.

I have to hand it to the Republican right wingers. They understand in todays new media world, all you have to do is yell it loud and keep chanting it, with FOX media as a backup, people assume it is real. That is another affect of the Internet and crushing of older news sources. For many people there is no way they can easily vet what they are getting and so it becomes 'true' by default. Just living a lie, and what fun, until something bad comes there way.

 

 

 

 

On 11/15/2024 at 4:49 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Please tell me again why it is a good idea to vote for a narcistic serial liar convicted criminal?

If you like the GOP politics, why not vote for someone who is not a convicted criminal?

It is stupid to vote for a criminal serial liar to lead a country. That is obvious to most of us.

 "most of us"?  "most of us" voted for him to be 47

,You do NOT speak for "most of us" and the convictions are partisan political hatchet jobs that "most of us" can see through.

1 hour ago, bangadang said:

 "most of us"?  "most of us" voted for him to be 47

,You do NOT speak for "most of us" and the convictions are partisan political hatchet jobs that "most of us" can see through.

Most of us in the rest of the world.

I know that the American President is elected by the Amercian people - which makes sense.

But whoever has that job has so much influence for the rest of the word. And in case you missed it, have a look at the press reaction in the rest of the world about your elected serial liar convicted criminal. 

22 hours ago, candide said:

So he's not the left and, as usual, you provide no proof he claimed big pharma are pure as the driven snow.

😀

I never said he was the left, you asked who on the left. I gave you a name. 
 

I’ll give you his telephone number and you can call him if you like. He’ll tell you

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Most of us in the rest of the world.

I know that the American President is elected by the Amercian people - which makes sense.

But whoever has that job has so much influence for the rest of the word. And in case you missed it, have a look at the press reaction in the rest of the world about your elected serial liar convicted criminal. 

How is it you are qualified to speak for the rest of the world? 

 

Are things better in the east if the world now, or when Trump was in office. 

 

The “press” is not your friend 

4 hours ago, mogandave said:

I never said he was the left, you asked who on the left. I gave you a name. 
 

I’ll give you his telephone number and you can call him if you like. He’ll tell you

Do you have two forum IDs? 😀

That was a reply to Yelowtail's post,

 

Anyway, whoever made this baseless claim, no evidence was provided, as usual.

11 hours ago, mogandave said:

How is it you are qualified to speak for the rest of the world? 

 

Are things better in the east if the world now, or when Trump was in office. 

 

The “press” is not your friend 

You could talk with people from the rest of the world. But I know, Americans do that seldom because they think they are the center of the world.

Trump is a narcistic serial liar convicted criminal who behaves like an ahole. Most people understand that it is a bad idea to vote for such a person. But it seems the majority of Americans want to be represented by him. That obviously tells us a lot about those Americans. 

15 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Most of us in the rest of the world.

I know that the American President is elected by the Amercian people - which makes sense.

But whoever has that job has so much influence for the rest of the word. And in case you missed it, have a look at the press reaction in the rest of the world about your elected serial liar convicted criminal. 

Okay, but dude, what makes you so partisan?

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

You could talk with people from the rest of the world. But I know, Americans do that seldom because they think they are the center of the world.

Trump is a narcistic serial liar convicted criminal who behaves like an ahole. Most people understand that it is a bad idea to vote for such a person. But it seems the majority of Americans want to be represented by him. That obviously tells us a lot about those Americans. 

The questions were:

1. How is it you are qualified to speak for the rest of the world?

2. Are things better in the rest of the world now, or when Trump was in office?

 

But rather than answer them, you condescend and go on a rant about Trump.

 

The people that voted for him know the “convictions” are ridiculous. 

 

And they know the lies the left tells them are much worse. 

 

The “press” is not your friend.

21 minutes ago, mogandave said:

The people that voted for him know the “convictions” are ridiculous. 

Good luck that you don't say the fact that he is a narcissist serial liar is ridiculous - because it's the truth. 

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Good luck that you don't say the fact that he is a narcissist serial liar is ridiculous - because it's the truth. 

And you still don’t answer the questions. 

 

What makes him a narcissist, and assuming he is a narcissistic, why does that disqualify him? 

 

You keep saying that, but what has he been lying about?

 

The left on the other hand, lying incessantly about things that have a direct negative effect on people’s lives. 

 

No one cares whether there were 90k or 120k people at a rally. 

Just now, mogandave said:

What makes him a narcissist, and assuming he is a narcissistic, why does that disqualify him? 

 

You keep saying that, but what has he been lying about?

 

If you don't know why it is bad to have a narcissist, then maybe you should look it up.

Narcissism - Wikipedia

 

And if you don't know that he is constantly lying, then maybe remove your MAGA cap for a few minutes and listing to his BS. If you are not able to spot any lies, then nobody can help you.

 

What happened to Trump being a fascist? 

22 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

If you don't know why it is bad to have a narcissist, then maybe you should look it up.

Narcissism - Wikipedia

Again, I don’t know that he’s a narcissist. 

 

You made the claim and have said nothing to support it. 

22 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

And if you don't know that he is constantly lying, then maybe remove your MAGA cap for a few minutes and listing to his BS. If you are not able to spot any lies, then nobody can help you.

 

Yet you never provide any examples. 

 

I know Obama, Biden and Harris are all liars, and that they all lie about important stuff, and that I generally hate their policies. 

 

Trump has told some stupid lies, and I generally like his policies. 

 

That makes him a better choice to me. 

 

Have noticed that most all the fascist Hitler stuff has stopped, and all the “crimes” are going away? 

 

The “press” is not your friend 

27 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Again, I don’t know that he’s a narcissist. 

 

You made the claim and have said nothing to support it. 

Yet you never provide any examples. 

 

I know Obama, Biden and Harris are all liars, and that they all lie about important stuff, and that I generally hate their policies. 

 

Trump has told some stupid lies, and I generally like his policies. 

 

That makes him a better choice to me. 

 

Have noticed that most all the fascist Hitler stuff has stopped, and all the “crimes” are going away? 

 

The “press” is not your friend 

I love the way the Leftists are just splintering and showing themselves to be the opportunistic hypocrites we all knew they were.

 

Look at Joe and Mika genuflecting to Trump. They all remind me of Grima Wormtongue

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I love the way the Leftists are just splintering and showing themselves to be the opportunistic hypocrites we all knew they were.

 

Look at Joe and Mika genuflecting to Trump. They all remind me of Grima Wormtongue

They're back to being Trump bootlickers for ratings. 

 

No more fascist, no more Hitler, no more rapist...

 

They lie, lie,  lie,  lie,  lie,  lie,  lie,  lie,  lie, 

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

And you still don’t answer the questions. 

 

What makes him a narcissist, and assuming he is a narcissistic, why does that disqualify him? 

 

You keep saying that, but what has he been lying about?

 

The left on the other hand, lying incessantly about things that have a direct negative effect on people’s lives. 

 

No one cares whether there were 90k or 120k people at a rally. 

What has he been lying about?

I won the 2020 election! 

😀

4 minutes ago, candide said:

What has he been lying about?

I won the 2020 election! 

😀

He never said you won the 2020 election.