U.S. Senators Introduce Legislation to Counter UN Actions Against Israel

[Evil Penevil]

On 11/16/2024 at 11:02 AM, ericbj said:

 

An alternative perspective :

 

Anyone not giving full support to Palestine following the appalling attacks that began with the Nakba, by Israelis on the Palestinian people, needs their head examining.

 

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

One could say:

 To achieve its sworn goal of obliterating hamas, Israel is willing to put the lives of all Gazans- children and adults- at risk.  It's perfectly correct to, put "that all" on Israel.

 

The difference is that Hamas is a designated terrorist group which attacks unarmed civilians far more often than military targets, while Israel is a sovereign state defending its people from attacks by terrorists who use human shields.  There's no moral equivalence between the actions of the IDF and Hamas.

Edited 9 hours ago by Evil Penevil

[Srikcir]

8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

many others to attack  and to  single out Israel

The "attacks" in the UN are from freedom of speech. Wouldn't you want to see that among all the nations?

Albeit, POTUS Trump's full resistance previously to a two-state solution between the Palestinians and Israel, and Netanyahu's on a one-state solution and attempts to disenfranchise Palestinians in Israel who hold Israeli citizenship has contributed to UN debates concerning Israel's behavior towards peaceful solutions.

[pacovl46]

12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Which attack are you referring to ?

Israel does drop leaflets and sends messages to the location of bombings

  The Hamas attacks on Israel on Oct 7 th were illegal 

Any attack on any hospital, school, kindergarten by Israel ever! 

 

I never said they were, but you're still acting like Israel is totally innocent in all of this, which it isn't! Not even close!

[pacovl46]

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

What fanatics?  The US senators referenced are not fanatics. Have you read the legislation? It is  not unreasonable. All that it says is that if the UN chooses to  isolate Israel, it should not expect the USA to fund the UN programs that have isolated Israel. For example, in 2023  Iran's was given the chair appointment for the  UN Human Rights Council Social Forum. Iran is a documented abuser of human rights, hanging teenage homosexuals from cranes in public, beating and raping of women who refuse to wear hijabs. Iran used the position to attack and to condemn Israel.  Why would you expect let alone demand that the USA pay for that? The US taxpayers as a whole object.

 

 

Yes, but that does not excuse countries like Afghanistan where women are enslaved, or Syria which  had 500,000+ killed at the hands of Hezbollah, Assad and Iran, or Sudan which has allowed Islamic militias to kill 100,000+ Africans and many others to attack  and to  single out Israel .

 

 

Rubbish, Who are the senators and how much were they paid?  The Arab lobby payments dwarf the small amounts AIPAC has used for lobbying. For example the Saudis have  spent hundreds of millions in lobbying. Between 2016 and 2022,   Saudi foreign agents paid more  than $142 million in lobbying, https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/10/saudi-arabia-ramped-up-foreign-influence-operations-in-the-us-during-bidens-presidency/      Look at what Qatar or the UAE pays in lobbying.

 

 

 

The Gaza  war can end if Gaza agrees to stop firing missiles and rockets at israel and releases the hostages or  says where the  bodies of the victims are. Why would you expect Israel to not pursue the liberation of the hostages and to accept the ongoing rocket and missile attacks?

 

 

You  are expressing your bias. The tunnel network between hospitals and schools and the Hamas videos of their use as bunkers, munitions depots, command and control centers has been established.  The facilities stopped being civilian and became legitimate targets as soon as Hamas used them for their war.

 

 

 

Warnings were given. Hamas wants civilian casualties. It is part of the Hamas strategy to obtain as many civilian casualties as possible so that gullible people like you will have an excuse to condemn Israel.  The vast majority of Gazans killed  were combatants or were aiding and supporting the war. Yes some women and young adults have died. Who do you think operates the radios, and worked in the command bunkers or distributed the munitions? Hamas intentionally billeted its family members in some areas to act as human shields and fired rockets and missiles from such places.

 

So, you're saying then that Israel is innocent in all of this? 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Any attack on any hospital, school, kindergarten by Israel ever! 

 

I never said they were, but you're still acting like Israel is totally innocent in all of this, which it isn't! Not even close!

 

From the numerous news reports that I have seen  , Israel has given notice of what buildings they intend to bomb .

   Even so, if Hamas are firing rockets from a hospital , then the people inside the hospital must be aware that Israel is very likely to fire back at the rocket source (hospital, school)

[pacovl46]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

From the numerous news reports that I have seen  , Israel has given notice of what buildings they intend to bomb .

   Even so, if Hamas are firing rockets from a hospital , then the people inside the hospital must be aware that Israel is very likely to fire back at the rocket source (hospital, school)

Did they fire rockets from a school or a hospital? I thought they were just hiding in it according to the article.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Did they fire rockets from a school or a hospital? I thought they were just hiding in it according to the article.

 

   What article are you referring too ?

What school are you referring to ?

What hospital are you referring to ?

Rockets have been fired from some school and hospitals and schools and hospitals have been used by Hamas for other things .

   There is no one answer for everything as all situations are different 

[Nick Carter icp]

25 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

 

 

I never said they were, but you're still acting like Israel is totally innocent in all of this, which it isn't! Not even close!

 

   So, what is Israel guilty of ?

[Nick Carter icp]

On 11/16/2024 at 7:49 PM, RuamRudy said:

 

Israeli soldiers will continue to rape and murder in the thousands and the West will still turn a blind eye. 

 

   I am quite sure that you claim is untrue .  .

There is no blind eye being turned   because your claims are not true .