Europe Braces for Escalation: Germany Mobilizes NATO Troops Amid Putin's Nuclear Threats

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Today, we have the Neocons and they've done nothing but bankrupt America with one failed venture after another

Ah, but very very profitable for the 1%. So from their point of view probably a resounding success.

Sorry about all the dead people though. Being collateral damage is a bi*ch, ain't it?

[0ffshore360]

7 hours ago, transam said:

Russia (CCCP) negotiated with Hitler, what happened.........

It is very hard to negotiate when you are dealing with a tyrant, it seems the only way out is to show them they are on a loser, the nuke thing doesn't come into the equation either, nobody wins, even Putin knows that, though he may want to go out with a bang, as he is on a sticky wicket with his own.........

You are of course ignoring the policy of  British PM Neville Chamberlain in 1938 that ignored/allowed  Hitler's expansionist quest and signed a "non aggression pact ?

 

[0ffshore360]

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ah, but very very profitable for the 1%. So from their point of view probably a resounding success.

Sorry about all the dead people though. Being collateral damage is a bi*ch, ain't it?

Possibly only just a global start ! Being a dead victim of business failures is.......dead!

[GammaGlobulin]

I'm hoping for WW3.

This is really the ONLY way to save the planet.

 

[transam]

5 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

You are of course ignoring the policy of  British PM Neville Chamberlain in 1938 that ignored/allowed  Hitler's expansionist quest and signed a "non aggression pact ?

 

No.........

[transam]

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

I'm hoping for WW3.

This is really the ONLY way to save the planet.

 

Well, at least you have confirmed you are a fruitcake.........🙄

[RayC]

4 hours ago, jas007 said:

At one point, I think they actually had an agreement initialed and ready to go.  Then, Boris Johnson flew to Kiev and were all know how that turned out.  The agreement didn't go forward and hundreds of thousand of Ukrainian casualties resulted from the continuation of hostilities. 

 

I am usually more than willing to blame Johnson for negative events but there is no evidence to support the notion that he scuppered a Russia - Ukraine agreement, which was " .. initialed and ready to go",  for the simple reason that no such agreement ever existed.

[GammaGlobulin]

12 minutes ago, transam said:

Well, at least you have confirmed you are a fruitcake.........🙄

 

Scorched Earth Policy is now the only way to rid the Earth of Idiocy.

 

 

[transam]

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Scorched Earth Policy is now the only way to rid the Earth of Idiocy.

 

 

Yep, I was right............

[GammaGlobulin]

10 minutes ago, transam said:

Yep, I was right............

 

Thank you for remembering my recent mention of my glorious fruitcake...because....

 

I had begun to think that nobody ever read my Topics.

 

Wishing you a happy family Thanksgiving celebration.

 

Take care.

 

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Thank you for remembering my recent mention of my glorious fruitcake...because....

 

I had begun to think that nobody ever read my Topics.

 

Wishing you a happy family Thanksgiving celebration.

 

Take care.

 

 

Never had a family Thanksgiving celebration, wouldn't know who to thank, my dad perhaps....🤔

[jacob29]

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

I conceded your point for the purpose of argument.  

Which doesn't help me at all to understand why you keep assigning the majority of the blame on the west.

 

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

I'm not the one playing the blame game here.  That's you, that's the trick of the Western leaders these days

 

You just did it again.

 

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

And that's the problem. That's why this war is escalating. And that's why this issue is now moot, in my mind.

You believe Putin was goaded into starting this war. Ok. Does this absolve Putin of all culpability? Ignore his nuclear threats and actions like bringing NK into the war, because US engaged in behaviours that upset him? At what point do you start being critical of Putin, or is that not possible for historical reasons?

 

Let me paraphrase your position, and please correct me if I'm wrong - Ukraine should cede to the demands of Russia, as global security (risk of nuclear escalation) is a greater concern than the sovereignty of Ukraine. 

 

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

And now they've upped the ante and have Russia as their target.

Russia hasn't been targeted, what risk was Russia facing? You can't seriously believe a ground invasion of Russia was in the works.

 

If Taiwan is invaded, is that going to be the fault of the west as well?

[GammaGlobulin]

26 minutes ago, transam said:

Never had a family Thanksgiving celebration, wouldn't know who to thank, my dad perhaps....🤔

 

Perhaps.

 

But....IMHO....not very likely.

 

Feel for you, Sir.

 

My dad was a drunkard.

 

[jas007]

6 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

Which doesn't help me at all to understand why you keep assigning the majority of the blame on the west.

 

 

You just did it again.

 

You believe Putin was goaded into starting this war. Ok. Does this absolve Putin of all culpability? Ignore his nuclear threats and actions like bringing NK into the war, because US engaged in behaviours that upset him? At what point do you start being critical of Putin, or is that not possible for historical reasons?

 

Let me paraphrase your position, and please correct me if I'm wrong - Ukraine should cede to the demands of Russia, as global security (risk of nuclear escalation) is a greater concern than the sovereignty of Ukraine. 

 

Russia hasn't been targeted, what risk was Russia facing? You can't seriously believe a ground invasion of Russia was in the works.

 

If Taiwan is invaded, is that going to be the fault of the west as well?

You miss my point, I'm afraid.  My point is that this conflict is now at an impasse of sorts.  What is needed is diplomacy, not more escalation, not more threats.. What's needed is a negotiated settlement. That kind of outcome does not "cede" anything to Russia.  That's the point of diplomacy.  An agreement is reached that settles the matter in a way that's agreeable to all parties concerned.  If you think a diplomatic solution is somehow cedes anything to Russia, you don't understand how diplomacy works.  

 

As for the Neocons planning a "ground invasion"?  Again, a red herring.  The Neocons and the likes of Victoria Nuland have had Russia in their sights for long time.  Hostility to Russia became part and parcel of US foreign policy along with the apparent desire for a war that never ends.  Do I need to make a list of all the failures? And yet nobody ever stops to question the madness lately.  

[khunJam]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

You miss my point, I'm afraid.  My point is that this conflict is now at an impasse of sorts.  What is needed is diplomacy, not more escalation, not more threats.. What's needed is a negotiated settlement. That kind of outcome does not "cede" anything to Russia.  That's the point of diplomacy.  An agreement is reached that settles the matter in a way that's agreeable to all parties concerned.  If you think a diplomatic solution is somehow cedes anything to Russia, you don't understand how diplomacy works.  

 

As for the Neocons planning a "ground invasion"?  Again, a red herring.  The Neocons and the likes of Victoria Nuland have had Russia in their sights for long time.  Hostility to Russia became part and parcel of US foreign policy along with the apparent desire for a war that never ends.  Do I need to make a list of all the failures? And yet nobody ever stops to question the madness lately.  

Well said but the war mongers here in the neighborhood don’t agree. 

[jas007]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

I am usually more than willing to blame Johnson for negative events but there is no evidence to support the notion that he scuppered a Russia - Ukraine agreement, which was " .. initialed and ready to go",  for the simple reason that no such agreement ever existed.

I'm pretty sure I saw an initialed copy of the proposed agreement online sometime recently.  I read all sorts of stuff, so no telling where I saw it.