Help needed with one question about UK frozen state pension.

[Keith5588]

18 minutes ago, jori123 said:

Essentially, the content mentioned above is nonsensical; no one has ever been penalized , nor is it likely to happen. Inquiring about the situation with the DWP or IPC merely serves to maintain employment  and happy for the staff at IPC. and all you are doing is drawing attention to yourselves      Les, featured in the videos, is flotsam,  he does not know anything ,changes his tune frequently, as is everyone else; however, there have been no sanctions concerning OAP, and it's  guaranteed there ever will be.

@jori123 I think you are right. Most Thai people I think we are crazy wasting time on something that has not happened. 

[Goodison]

@Keith5588  People do get caught and the link below tells about bloke who lives in Pattaya. At a minimum they want the over pay money back. Fines are between £350 & £5,000. They can stop or reduce your benefit up to 3 years and could criminally prosecute you. HMRC & DWP are joined at the hip and share info and if your caught HMRC are going to take a good look at you. We are living in an ever digital world and the UK & Thailand are both CRS Countries and if you want to know what info they share look up Common Reporting Standard WIKIPEDIA.

 

https://www.iexpats.com/cheating-expats-try-fiddle-pension-claims/

[Blueman1]

On 11/24/2024 at 8:38 PM, hotandsticky said:

 

 

I agree with you, I think that You Tuber (as helpful as he tries to be) is wrong.

 

 

I have correspondence from DWP that suggests that on returning to Thailand the pension revert to the original frozen amount when you first went to Thailand.

I have correspondence from DWP that suggests that on returning to Thailand the pension revert to the original frozen amount when you first went to Thailand.I Was Told exactly that in a Phone Call to the DWP.....So by the time You'd pay for the Return flight & Accomodation in the U.K. It Would be a TOTAL Waste of Time !!

Edited 8 hours ago by Blueman1

[Blueman1]

4 hours ago, Goodison said:

@Keith5588  People do get caught and the link below tells about bloke who lives in Pattaya. At a minimum they want the over pay money back. Fines are between £350 & £5,000. They can stop or reduce your benefit up to 3 years and could criminally prosecute you. HMRC & DWP are joined at the hip and share info and if your caught HMRC are going to take a good look at you. We are living in an ever digital world and the UK & Thailand are both CRS Countries and if you want to know what info they share look up Common Reporting Standard WIKIPEDIA.

 

https://www.iexpats.com/cheating-expats-try-fiddle-pension-claims/

People do get caught.....Happened to an EX M8 of mine ( He's Only A Kopite anyway 555 ! 555 ! ) & They Stopped His SP For a Few Months Until they had their Overpaid Money back.......

Edited 8 hours ago by Blueman1

[Keith5588]

6 hours ago, Goodison said:

@Keith5588  People do get caught and the link below tells about bloke who lives in Pattaya. At a minimum they want the over pay money back. Fines are between £350 & £5,000. They can stop or reduce your benefit up to 3 years and could criminally prosecute you. HMRC & DWP are joined at the hip and share info and if your caught HMRC are going to take a good look at you. We are living in an ever digital world and the UK & Thailand are both CRS Countries and if you want to know what info they share look up Common Reporting Standard WIKIPEDIA.

 

https://www.iexpats.com/cheating-expats-try-fiddle-pension-claims/

Thanks  @Goodison for your thoughts and the link. I do keep changing my mind, sorry for that.

 

Sometimes I think it best to say nothing, keep head down, act as if do not know much if questioned. I heard second hand of someone that went to the UK to have a knee operation. He opened his mouth too much telling them he was living in Thailand so he ended up paying for the operation.

To receive free NHS (which I think I should be entitled to as I worked long hours for 40 years) I am glad that I know what to say if ever asked.

Maybe it's a similar situation with the UK state pension.

I think it also depends a bit on age. I am currently 71, in about 15 years time I will be 86, probably find it difficult to remember what day it is, and couldn't care less about the DWP, and in practice even if I returned to the UK I could not imagine the DWP dragging an 86 year old into court for not informing them that they had travelled to another country! 

But basically I was raised to be totally truthful and feel uncomfortable if I am not. Also there might be awkward communication in the future if I feel the need to hide the fact that I am not living in the UK. Also as you point out DWP may find out themselves.

I also like to know. I spent a lot of time researching Thailand’s immigration requirements. It was worth it as I spend very little time at immigration, find them helpful, have never paid any “extra” and never used an agent ……….  And it makes me feel good!

 

So I would like to find out what would be needed to permanently increase a frozen UK state pension.

Concerning Les and his videos, myself, you and some others don’t think he is correct. But some other people think he is totally correct.

Hopefully we will get some information from Les in the future but if not I will probably try to get an answer sometime after March next year.

[Blueman1]

3 minutes ago, Keith5588 said:

Thanks  @Goodison for your thoughts and the link. I do keep changing my mind, sorry for that.

 

Sometimes I think it best to say nothing, keep head down, act as if do not know much if questioned. I heard second hand of someone that went to the UK to have a knee operation. He opened his mouth too much telling them he was living in Thailand so he ended up paying for the operation.

To receive free NHS (which I think I should be entitled to as I worked long hours for 40 years) I am glad that I know what to say if ever asked.

Maybe it's a similar situation with the UK state pension.

I think it also depends a bit on age. I am currently 71, in about 15 years time I will be 86, probably find it difficult to remember what day it is, and couldn't care less about the DWP, and in practice even if I returned to the UK I could not imagine the DWP dragging an 86 year old into court for not informing them that they had travelled to another country! 

But basically I was raised to be totally truthful and feel uncomfortable if I am not. Also there might be awkward communication in the future if I feel the need to hide the fact that I am not living in the UK. Also as you point out DWP may find out themselves.

I also like to know. I spent a lot of time researching Thailand’s immigration requirements. It was worth it as I spend very little time at immigration, find them helpful, have never paid any “extra” and never used an agent ……….  And it makes me feel good!

 

So I would like to find out what would be needed to permanently increase a frozen UK state pension.

Concerning Les and his videos, myself, you and some others don’t think he is correct. But some other people think he is totally correct.

Hopefully we will get some information from Les in the future but if not I will probably try to get an answer sometime after March next year.

 and couldn't care less about the DWP, and in practice even if I returned to the UK I could not imagine the DWP dragging an 86 year old into court for not informing them that they had travelled to another country! ...I Think You'd be Wrong M8,I Reckon They WOULD They have NO Scruples !!!

[jori123]

10 hours ago, Goodison said:

@Keith5588  People do get caught and the link below tells about bloke who lives in Pattaya. At a minimum they want the over pay money back. Fines are between £350 & £5,000. They can stop or reduce your benefit up to 3 years and could criminally prosecute you. HMRC & DWP are joined at the hip and share info and if your caught HMRC are going to take a good look at you. We are living in an ever digital world and the UK & Thailand are both CRS Countries and if you want to know what info they share look up Common Reporting Standard WIKIPEDIA.

 

https://www.iexpats.com/cheating-expats-try-fiddle-pension-claims/

Is this correct, I mean is it actually correct the link  Its words trotted out (click bait ) for an entirety in different publications.  They cannot do anything ,there are no fines ,there is no back payment, no criminality and most certainly no SAM.  Id look and take more interest in DWPs own rules and regulations before wandering off into fantasy land

[jori123]

6 hours ago, Blueman1 said:

People do get caught.....Happened to an EX M8 of mine ( He's Only A Kopite anyway 555 ! 555 ! ) & They Stopped His SP For a Few Months Until they had their Overpaid Money back.......

   Crap, a scouser?  in court for everything bar a OAP

 

  If you can read ,and I'm assuming nothing, there are DWP  rules and regulations that apply and there is nothing in those rules and regulations that even  come close to state anything that you imply.  So who to believe ?you or the DWP   I know who'd I ignore.  By the way its unlawful to deny a Pensioner his pension

[jori123]

4 hours ago, Blueman1 said:

 and couldn't care less about the DWP, and in practice even if I returned to the UK I could not imagine the DWP dragging an 86 year old into court for not informing them that they had travelled to another country! ...I Think You'd be Wrong M8,I Reckon They WOULD They have NO Scruples !!!

No,impossible

[jori123]

" In respect of  Old age pensions ,,   fraud undermines the  value of income for people at a time of life when sources of income become ever more limited, the chances of financial recovery of income for people of that age and at a time of life when sources of income become more limited, and the chances of financial recovery are nil"

 

  source govt funded survey from Portsmouth university

[BritManToo]

11 hours ago, Goodison said:

@Keith5588  People do get caught and the link below tells about bloke who lives in Pattaya. At a minimum they want the over pay money back. Fines are between £350 & £5,000. They can stop or reduce your benefit up to 3 years and could criminally prosecute you. HMRC & DWP are joined at the hip and share info and if your caught HMRC are going to take a good look at you. We are living in an ever digital world and the UK & Thailand are both CRS Countries and if you want to know what info they share look up Common Reporting Standard WIKIPEDIA.

 

https://www.iexpats.com/cheating-expats-try-fiddle-pension-claims/

Everything I get is taxed at source by HMRC, they can look as hard as they like at me, and if they find anything extra, send me my 80% and keep their 20% with my thanks.

 

If the DWP could reduce my pension and recover any overpayment, then HMRC would need to return the 20% tax they took out of my gross taxable income.

[BritManToo]

5 hours ago, Keith5588 said:

But basically I was raised to be totally truthful and feel uncomfortable if I am not. Also there might be awkward communication in the future if I feel the need to hide the fact that I am not living in the UK. Also as you point out DWP may find out themselves.

No need to hide anything, they don't ask, and you don't volunteer information.

 

But if you do offer unrequested information,

1 accept your state pension reduction,

2 accept your randommly stopped pension (due to not recieving proof of life forms), 

3 accept your loss of using the NHS,

4 accept your risk of having your UK bank account cancelled with no notice

 

You will have no-one to blame but yourself!