1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

You would think folks remember the numerous topics here where the Pinky-in-the-air crowd complains about Tariffs on their imported wine...

 

The best part about the Trump Haters, Tariff edition is that they focus on the Micro of the event/policy rather than the macro effect.

 

For those one or two of you whose intellectual curiosity I challenge, I would note that the focus on the micro rather than the macro allows the revolutionary movement to Socialism the philosophic flexibility to utilize small battles. The old revolutionary slogan, Think Global, Act Local is a perfect example. Thus, you get the incongruence of Leftists calling Tariffs an interference in the market, while acting to interfere in the market, or indeed, control the market as they did in National Socialist Germany or Soviet Russia.

National Socialism is not socialism.

 

But congratulations, you do get the thread’s Godwin Gong.

2 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Wait until Trump is actually in. This is really no problem. I am not sure why you want to make mountains of mole hills?

 

Let's wait and see... I'm not a crack economist like others on this thread but my money is on the Trump tariffs and mass deportations eliminating pretty much all of the woke stock market gains of the Biden administration... 

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

National Socialism is not socialism.

 

But congratulations, you do get the thread’s Godwin Gong.

Reductio ad hitlerum doesnt apply when folks defend National Socialism. Start a Topic anytime you think you can prove that National Socialism isnt Socialism.

20 minutes ago, BKKKevin said:

Let's wait and see... I'm not a crack economist like others on this thread but my money is on the Trump tariffs and mass deportations eliminating pretty much all of the woke stock market gains of the Biden administration... 

Are you putting your money where your mouth is, and buying put options?

21 minutes ago, BKKKevin said:

Let's wait and see... I'm not a crack economist like others on this thread but my money is on the Trump tariffs and mass deportations eliminating pretty much all of the woke stock market gains of the Biden administration... 

Yet it crashed yesterday after he called for Tariffs.

 

You clearly dont know much about the US stock market.

Just now, Yagoda said:

Reductio ad hitlerum doesnt apply when folks defend National Socialism. Start a Topic anytime you think you can prove that National Socialism isnt Socialism.

Who’s defending ‘National Socialism’?

 

Or you making stuff up again?!

His "America First' tariff hikes in his previous Presidency on China, Canada, Europe, Mexico provoked retaliatory actions and negatively affected the economy. Only idiots will repeat the same insanity and hope for a different outcome. 

23 minutes ago, BKKKevin said:

Let's wait and see... I'm not a crack economist like others on this thread but my money is on the Trump tariffs and mass deportations eliminating pretty much all of the woke stock market gains of the Biden administration... 

That and set inflation afire again.

 

Everything Trump touches dies.

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

His "America First' tariff hikes in his previous Presidency on China, Canada, Europe, Mexico provoked retaliatory actions and negatively affected the economy. Only idiots will repeat the same insanity and hope for a different outcome. 

The CHIPS Act is having a very positive impact, on shoring strategically important chip manufacturing and removing the risks associated with China’s threats to that index in Taiwan.

 

But of course Trump says he will repeal the CHIPS Act.

 

Too much of a success for Trump not to want to kill it.

 

Everything Trump touches dies.

This is incredibly reckless policy and it shows just how little Trump knows about the economy. He's never been a particular great businessman, he is a talented grifter, though. He's starting to demonstrate that already, this is a move that will cause a spike in inflation and this is nothing but a massive tax hike on the American people. 

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Who’s defending ‘National Socialism’?

 

Or you making stuff up again?!

Well you deny its philosophical basis, so you clearly are defending it.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That and set inflation afire again.

 

Everything Trump touches dies.

Please provide any facts to justify your statement.

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Yes. Is the math of $18,500 vs $24,000 too difficult for you?

 

In answer to your second statement, if my auntie had balls, she'd be my uncle.

If your Auntie had balls, the Dems would put her on the Supreme Court on that basis alone. First Transgender on the Court

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Please show facts that demonstrate "most" Trump voters are ignorant of tariffs, especially vis a vis Democrat voters.

Please show us how Trump doesnt understand Tariffs

Please show us how Trumps tariffs brought higher prices in the past in a macroeconomic sense.

Please advise as to what other factors may have contributed to a loss of manufacturing jobs (if true) under Trump.

 

Of course, if you are just parroting more lies and Leftist propaganda, no need to respond. We dont expect it anyway.

 

And again, spewing hate towards Trump voters

If you look at what happened to farm produce exported to China in the last Trump administration, farmers were hit so hard by retaliatory tariffs Trump had to come up with massive subsidies to placate them. A lose-lose situation.

 

Is that macro-economic enough for you?

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The CHIPS Act is having a very positive impact, on shoring strategically important chip manufacturing and removing the risks associated with China’s threats to that index in Taiwan.

 

But of course Trump says he will repeal the CHIPS Act.

 

Too much of a success for Trump not to want to kill it.

 

Everything Trump touches dies.

He will made some insignificant modifications to the Chips and Science Act and claim success after making headlines attacking that it was a bad deal and will repel. Chip makers like Intel will thank Biden for his foresight. 

Maybe part of the problem is the demand for illicit drugs in the USA?  Why blame only the supplier?  I like Mexico's new leader!  

1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Here are a few examples:

4. In 2020 45th POUTUS Trump and his Mexican and Canadian counterparts signed the US-Mexico-Canada (USMC) Trade Agreement after approved by Congress full filling a major re-election campaign promise. Now due to become 47th POTUS, Trump aims to trash the agreement with a tariff war. 

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

If you look at what happened to farm produce exported to China in the last Trump administration, farmers were hit so hard by retaliatory tariffs Trump had to come up with massive subsidies to placate them. A lose-lose situation.

 

Is that macro-economic enough for you?

No. You sure about your facts though? How is the Farm industry subsidized in the USA? Did Biden continue those Tariffs, btw?

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

He will made some insignificant modifications to the Chips and Science Act and claim success after making headlines attacking that it was a bad deal and will repel. Chip makers like Intel will thank Biden for his foresight. 

And it is an example of foresight, putting America first and preemptively defending America’s strategic interests wrt to the technology that is at the foundation of the U.S. economy.

 

A real Presidential achievement!

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

He will made some insignificant modifications to the Chips and Science Act and claim success after making headlines attacking that it was a bad deal and will repel. Chip makers like Intel will thank Biden for his foresight. 

Yeah, Intel is doing wonderfully under the Biden admins policies LOL

4 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

4. In 2020 45th POUTUS Trump and his Mexican and Canadian counterparts signed the US-Mexico-Canada (USMC) Trade Agreement after approved by Congress full filling a major re-election campaign promise. Now due to become 47th POTUS, Trump aims to trash the agreement with a tariff war. 

The war is over. They caved. The American people won. 

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah, Intel is doing wonderfully under the Biden admins policies LOL

Good to hear........

Thank God Harris didn't get in. 

US is trillions in debt with millions homeless or poor. Stop being the world bank and look after your own. 

The beauty of the combination of Trump's policies (in case he really applies them): impose tariffs in order to increase domestic production, while creating a manpower shortage for domestic production by expelling immigrants (at the same time baby boomers are retiring). 😃

 

Oh and both policies are inflationist...

Edited November 27, 20241 yr by candide

Good for him. A politician keeping election promises as per his election manifesto is a rare breed. 

Sleazy Starmer recently elected in the UK for example. 

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah, Intel is doing wonderfully under the Biden admins policies LOL

Great turnaround story after the Chips Act. 

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Thank God Harris didn't get in. 

US is trillions in debt with millions homeless or poor. Stop being the world bank and look after your own. 

Yes, Trump created the extra debt during his time in the big chair, but wait, he's been voted in again........

Perhaps you should swat up on the facts.............

2 minutes ago, jippytum said:

Good for him. A politician keeping election promises as per his election manifesto is a rare breed. 

Sleazy Starmer recently elected in the UK for example. 

Starmer is nothing to do with the USA..........🙄

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

No. You sure about your facts though? How is the Farm industry subsidized in the USA? Did Biden continue those Tariffs, btw?

Someone posted a bar chart showing what America got with the tariffs, and what was paid out to US farmers. Of course, the farmers were dudded, just like any other Trump deal.

 

For the offense of questioning China's treatment of minorities, China slapped steep tariffs on wine, lobsters and milk formula, and halted Australian shipments of iron ore.

 

If you think China won't respond even more strongly to Trump's tariffs, you are living in La-La land.

 

 

35 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Please provide any facts to justify your statement.

Trump Air...

Trump Steaks...

Trump Casino...

Trump University...

Mexico paying for the wall...

Yada Yada Yada...