The Oracle of measuring blood pressure.

[swissie]

For as long as I can remember, BP measuring was done in a "resting-mode". (actualy, my former Doctor forbade me to even talk while measuring my BP in his presence).

Not anymore. Today, BP should be measured reflecting "daily activities". No wonder, my BP jumped to 150/100.

What's next? Measuring BP after having done 50 push-up's for 70 year old geezers? Catapulting everyone into a "high risk clientele", much to the delight of the pharmaceutical industry?

I have mild diabetis. My diet mostly consists of "unhealty foods", including plenty of "sweets". Still, my blood sugar level is "no problem" and my cholesterol levels are "excellent".

I am starting to believe that modern day medicine has entered a "analytical overkill" in combination with old fashion hokus pokus. = How to mesure BP for starters.

 

[jimmybcool]

Yeah I seem like I take 20 pills every day.  Only ones I like are the tylenol so I can play golf.  Yeah my BP and diabetes are under control but.....  I think if I wasn't so tired and worked out harder and lost 2 pounds (12 kilos for my decimal brothers) I could drop most of this stuff.

 

 

[georgegeorgia]

It's all BS this blood pressure thing 

I went to one clinic in Jomtien (Pattaya) that done the blood pressure in a machine in the waiting room as soon as you walked  in

I watched ,I listened,and most people blood pressure was around 150

Edited 19 hours ago by georgegeorgia

[Henk Langeweg]

3 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

Yeah I seem like I take 20 pills every day.  Only ones I like are the tylenol so I can play golf.  Yeah my BP and diabetes are under control but.....  I think if I wasn't so tired and worked out harder and lost 2 pounds (12 kilos for my decimal brothers) I could drop most of this stuff.

 

 

2 Stone you meant instead of pounds?

[save the frogs]

3 hours ago, swissie said:

What's next? Measuring BP after having done 50 push-up's for 70 year old geezers? Catapulting everyone into a "high risk clientele", much to the delight of the pharmaceutical industry?

this guy, who himself appears to have a doctor's licence, is bashing the medical industry for the way it treats blood pressure.

maybe precisely to sell more pills?

I don't know what/who to believe regarding blood pressure. 

 

 

[scubascuba3]

I used to take mine after 100km cycle, seemed wrong to me to take it when artificially low

[jimmybcool]

3 hours ago, Henk Langeweg said:

2 Stone you meant instead of pounds?

OOps.  I meant 20 pounds. 

[KhunLA]

This may interest some folks.  Importance of potassium and keeping BP ~120, 'at rest'.

 

Myself, over last 2 yrs, I've gotten mine down from ~140 to <120, mostly by major diet change.   From whatever the F I wanted to eat, to a very Keto ish diet.  Which really does include quite a bit, and excludes common sense things; sugars & starchy carbs mainly.

 

For me that was pastries, pasta & potatoes ... the 3 Ps 

 

Now my intake is more high protein and moderate healthy fats, and all contrary to what we've been told by the acronym folks that cater to big Pharma.  

 

Believe what you want, but from my results & blood work, I'm sticking to the path I'm on.

 

STAY HEALTHY ...

 

 

[superal]

12 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

It's all BS this blood pressure thing 

I went to one clinic in Jomtien (Pattaya) that done the blood pressure in a machine in the waiting room as soon as you walked  in

I watched ,I listened,and most people blood pressure was around 150

Thai people b/p seems to be lower than Westerners . Going to my local gov; hospital , I walk across the car park and then up a steep slope to the entrance . Straight away they measure your  weight , height and b/p . The b/p is always high . I have read many times that you must sit down and relax for 5 minutes and then take a b/p/test . So I always have 2 tests and the second one , after 5 minutes sat down and relaxed , is acceptable . So what is it with these Thai medics ?

[BigStar]

12 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

It's all BS this blood pressure thing 

 

That's what Tina Turner thought. How's that work out for her?

 

[BigStar]

5 minutes ago, superal said:

So what is it with these Thai medics ?

 

They take into consideration that you may not have sat and rested before the check. Or you may have white coat syndrome. And most people are overweight and out of shape, so higher BP is average nowadays. I would guess that only if it's dangerously high, or too high for a procedure, will they refer you to a heart specialist. In comprehensive checkups at the best private hsps, though, they'll certainly mention it as high, if it is.

 

Many members here have mentioned making it a point to rest a bit before the check.

 

[mokwit]

key takeaway from this or another of his vids is that large sample size studies show that controlling BP with drugs doesn't alter outcomes.

 

[newbee2022]

27 minutes ago, superal said:

Thai people b/p seems to be lower than Westerners . Going to my local gov; hospital , I walk across the car park and then up a steep slope to the entrance . Straight away they measure your  weight , height and b/p . The b/p is always high . I have read many times that you must sit down and relax for 5 minutes and then take a b/p/test . So I always have 2 tests and the second one , after 5 minutes sat down and relaxed , is acceptable . So what is it with these Thai medics ?

Nothing wrong with Thai medics but with you. Nobody will deny you to sit and wait 5 minutes untill BP measures. Also nobody will force you to do anything. It's up to you and your common sense. Also you don't need to answer if someone will ask you during this procedure. Just be calm and wait.

[JAS21]

9 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I used to take mine after 100km cycle, seemed wrong to me to take it when artificially low

After that sort of distance, even if you have really pushed it …little over three hours…then your systolic pressure should drop quite rapidly to not much above resting, or in fact it could be lower. Your pulse should do the same, a rapid drop to a little over normal.

 

Whatever is commented …your enemies are …high normal blood pressure, salt and sugar. And of course ultra processed and junk food.

 

This is from someone who had a heart attach and double bypass at 48 years old. I’m now 79 and did quite well on a couple of pills until nearly five years ago when after leaving hospital after an operation I had a problem …result my  VO2 Max halved …ps I forgot stress is also your enemy …

Edited 6 hours ago by JAS21

[BigStar]

52 minutes ago, mokwit said:

key takeaway from this or another of his vids is that large sample size studies show that controlling BP with drugs doesn't alter outcomes.

 

Disingenuous. A large sample size of otherwise perfectly healthy people w/ no other risk factors, notably those that cause the high BP in the first place. Doesn't really apply here, where our old overweight, out-of-shape posters do have the other risk factors, the diabetes, the high TG/HDL, the clogged arteries, and other aspects of metabolic syndrome. Even then, you may comfort yourself that your high BP doesn't guarantee you'll have a debilitating stroke or kidney failure (on the ANF Longevity Principle of No Ironclad Guarantee), so therefore

 

 

 

[Will B Good]

I'd be very wary of ignoring the risks of hypertension on the basis of what "suchabodysays".

 

I have hypertensive retinopathy, SVD and MCI....all consider to have high blood pressure as the root cause.

[BigStar]

15 hours ago, swissie said:

I have mild diabetis. My diet mostly consists of "unhealty foods", including plenty of "sweets". Still, my blood sugar level is "no problem" and my cholesterol levels are "excellent".

 

Controlling symptoms via meds doesn't mean you're not still diseased. You still have a problem: a disease. And your underlying disease probably continues getting worse, since you aren't treating the underlying cause, and may contribute to related issues behind the scenes. Indeed, the med itself may help with that process. Meds also have side effects.

 

Better to deal with root causes and then be med-free.

 

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, JAS21 said:

After that sort of distance, even if you have really pushed it …little over three hours…then your systolic pressure should drop quite rapidly to not much above resting, or in fact it could be lower. Your pulse should do the same, a rapid drop to a little over normal.

 

Whatever is commented …your enemies are …high normal blood pressure, salt and sugar. And of course ultra processed and junk food.

 

This is from someone who had a heart attach and double bypass at 48 years old. I’m now 79 and did quite well on a couple of pills until nearly five years ago when after leaving hospital after an operation I had a problem …result my  VO2 Max halved …ps I forgot stress is also your enemy …

Google AI disagrees with you

[Peterphuket]

Perhaps this will give a different perspective:

 

[anyone]

Huawei Watch D2
Blood pressure is measured around the clock (every few hours). This is new. You will get the most accurate pressure that does not depend on anything.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, anyone said:

Huawei Watch D2
Blood pressure is measured around the clock (every few hours). This is new. You will get the most accurate pressure that does not depend on anything.

Not sure if I need that much info.   At rest, normal <120.  Then cycling, raise HR to 90 or 120 (normal is 60), along with BP @ 150-175, and afterward, within 5 - 10 mins, it recovers back down to 120 or less again. 

 

That's all I need to know.  Hate wearing watches 😎

Edited 3 hours ago by KhunLA

[JAS21]

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Google AI disagrees with you

Well, I can’t argue with an AI cut and paste expert. If I wasn’t clear, I’m sorry but blood pressure drops fairly rapidly after exercise but it doesn’t drop down to normal straight away. It takes quite a while for it to completely return to normal. Basically same as the pulse rate.

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Huawei Watch D2
Blood pressure is measured around the clock (every few hours). This is new. You will get the most accurate pressure that does not depend on anything.

 

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Not sure if I need that much info.   At rest, normal <120.  Then cycling, raise HR to 90 or 120 (normal is 60), along with BP @ 150-175, and afterward, within 5 - 10 mins, it recovers back down to 120 or less again. 

 

That's all I need to know.  Hate wearing watches 😎

There's an interesting article on that very topic right here.

 

Why are doctors wary of wearables?

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Moonlover

[HighPriority]

19 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

Yeah I seem like I take 20 pills every day.  Only ones I like are the tylenol so I can play golf.  Yeah my BP and diabetes are under control but.....  I think if I wasn't so tired and worked out harder and lost 2 pounds (12 kilos for my decimal brothers) I could drop most of this stuff.

 

 

You’re on the pills because you’re too lazy to change your lifestyle !

Dont want the pills… don’t take them.

 Improve your diet and get some exercise or don’t… up to you.

[Negita43]

My blood pressure is up and down all the time and can vary between 120/70 to 160/90 "at rest" over the course of a few minutes but especially up when I have it taken at a hospital - I think it's called white coat syndrone.

Also some years ago a doctor took my BP and announced I had to go on calcium channel blockers when I said but you have only taken one reading he got annoyed - as an ex scientist I would never make a decision based on ONE experiment (test)

 

[jimmybcool]

1 hour ago, HighPriority said:

You’re on the pills because you’re too lazy to change your lifestyle !

Dont want the pills… don’t take them.

 Improve your diet and get some exercise or don’t… up to you.

Amd you would be wrong.  But thanks for the funny comment.  🤣