Syrian government falls in stunning end to 50-year rule of Assad family

[0ffshore360]

Now Erdogan committing Turkey in Syrian support against Israel.

Part of the complications for the US given Turkey is a NATO member .

 

[kwilco]

27 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Why? They will be parroting the Kremlin version of things. Ask them if they prefer Russian rubles, or American dollars.

 

In an attempt to stabilize the ruble, as of November 28 the central bank has stopped buying ANY foreign currency. That's the equivalent of sticking their head in the sand, and hoping short-sellers will go away.

 

China and India are Russia's biggest trading partners currently. They will only pay for Russian imports in yuan and rupees respectively. They refuse to pay in rubles, no sensible country wants to hold them.

 

If you think sanctions are ineffective, ask yourself why Russian oil sells at a 20% discount to the world price.

 

Better still, test your belief sanctions are not working, and the integrity of Russian domestic aircraft by booking a flight from Moscow to Vladivostok. Russian Boeings and Airbuses are being cannibalized to keep them flying, do you feel lucky?

 

I am posting facts, readily checked. You seem to be posting wishful thinking.

Your naivety is touching

[kwilco]

3 hours ago, jacob29 said:

Why can't master strategist Putin just leave Ukraine, and then claim it's to his advantage?

 

The s-400 missile system they're evacuating has a price tag of around a billion USD. Do you really believe someone who planned this, would delay transporting such expensive hardware until the region went hot?

Either you haven't read my post or you just like jibberish?

[herfiehandbag]

On 12/10/2024 at 12:57 PM, Hawaiian said:

The Russian fleet has left supposedly headed to Kaliningrad in the Baltic. 

A number of salvage tug operators are rubbing their hands in glee and positioning their ships appropriately!

[Lacessit]

21 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Your naivety is touching

As far as i can tell, you have not posted a single fact to rebut the ones I have posted. Just blanket statements which beg the question.

 

Your personal attack confirms your dishonesty. Bye bye, tovarisch.

[jacob29]

53 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Either you haven't read my post or you just like jibberish?

Clarify whether you believe Putin orchestrated this, or if it was an uncomfortable 'new reality' that he decided at the last minute it wasn't worth his resources to address?

 

Will the same apply to Georgia and Transnistria if anything kicks off there?

[kwilco]

8 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

Clarify whether you believe Putin orchestrated this, or if it was an uncomfortable 'new reality' that he decided at the last minute it wasn't worth his resources to address?

 

Will the same apply to Georgia and Transnistria if anything kicks off there?

Look, making up false dichotomies might be OK for you but it really just shows the paucity of your discussion and comprehension skills. It is a regular characteristic of ASEAN NOW posters  to show little or no understanding of world events....their blinkered and parochial attitudes lead to breathtaking ignorance and pointless discussions as they try to paint their myopic world in black and white.

[kwilco]

13 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

Clarify whether you believe Putin orchestrated this, or if it was an uncomfortable 'new reality' that he decided at the last minute it wasn't worth his resources to address?

 

Will the same apply to Georgia and Transnistria if anything kicks off there?

Possibly the most facile comment on this thread so far.

[jacob29]

Just now, kwilco said:

Possibly the most facile comment on this thread so far.

Is it unreasonable to ask for clarification on what you meant?

[kwilco]

58 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

As far as i can tell, you have not posted a single fact to rebut the ones I have posted. Just blanket statements which beg the question.

 

Your personal attack confirms your dishonesty. Bye bye, tovarisch.

I fearr you wouldn't know a fact if you stumbled over one.  You comments are so off the mark it would be pointless in discussing with you, derision  is the only option.

[kwilco]

Just now, jacob29 said:

Is it unreasonable to ask for clarification on what you meant?

Yes! FHS!!

[jacob29]

Just now, kwilco said:

Yes! FHS!!

Are you capable of a civilized discussion, or are you just here to troll?

[kwilco]

People need to take a look at the relationship between Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu.

[jacob29]

7 minutes ago, kwilco said:

 ...... If you are too dumb to understand my posts how can I be expected to reply?

 

See that wasn't so hard. You could have just replied earlier that you have neither the time nor inclination to provide clarification for the tripe you post. Could have saved us all some time.

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, kwilco said:

People need to take a look at the relationship between Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu.

 

   Its always the Jews !!!!!!!

Anything happens . 

Israelis/Jews are the reason .

Rebels take over Syria .

"Its the Israelis that did it"

[kwilco]

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its always the Jews !!!!!!!

Anything happens . 

Israelis/Jews are the reason .

Rebels take over Syria .

"Its the Israelis that did it"

This thread is just full of bizarre racist comments I suppose your was inevitable

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, kwilco said:

This thread is just full of bizarre racist comments I suppose your was inevitable

 

   Were you suggesting that Israel were responsible or involved in  Assad being ousted ?

[LosLobo]

21 hours ago, kwilco said:

I think many people want Putin to have problems, but in reality it is all going his way. And getting rid of Assad is just another advantage.

Russia is on a military economy, the population are not being called up because he is using Koreans instead, sanctions are having no effect and their is no strategic loss in Syria.

He's just got to sit back and watch as the West ties itself in knots

 

14 hours ago, kwilco said:

Look, making up false dichotomies might be OK for you but it really just shows the paucity of your discussion and comprehension skills.

 

Yet 'making up false dichotomies' is OK for you.

 

You accuse others of crafting false dichotomies, but your OP is a masterclass in simplistic binaries and flawed reasoning. Let’s dissect the litany of logical missteps, all of which show the real 'paucity of your discussion and comprehension skills':
 

• Hasty Generalization:
  The statement "many people want Putin to have problems" is a sweeping claim made without evidence. It assumes widespread sentiment but fails to provide supporting data or context.

• False Cause:
  The claim that "getting rid of Assad is just another advantage" implies a direct benefit to Putin without considering the complexities. Assad’s fall could actually represent a strategic loss for Russia, particularly by endangering key military bases like Tartus.

• Appeal to Ignorance:
  The assertion that "sanctions are having no effect" dismisses substantial evidence to the contrary. Sanctions have strained Russia's economy, causing inflation, labor shortages, and disruption to supply chains.

• False Dichotomy:
  The statement "He's just got to sit back and watch as the West ties itself in knots" constructs a simplistic binary: either Russia is entirely unchallenged and successful, or the West is completely ineffective and struggling. This reductive framing ignores Russia’s significant economic instability and military losses.

• Straw Man:
  The claim that "the population are not being called up because he is using Koreans instead" misrepresents the situation. While there are reports of foreign fighters, the primary burden of the conflict overwhelmingly falls on Russian forces.
   

These logical fallacies not only weaken your argument but also oversimplify the complexities of the geopolitical landscape. Engaging critically with such statements requires considering broader context and nuance.

 

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed. 

[simple1]

17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Were you suggesting that Israel were responsible or involved in  Assad being ousted ?

 

Whatever you may think of the "rebels" in Idlib Province it was perfect timing by them to take on the Syrian dictatorship due to the Israeli destruction of Hezbollah, together with the constant Israeli bombing of Iranian military assets in Syria. Then of course the wearing down of Russian assets with the Ukrainian war.  Another way to put it could well be "unintended consequences" or if one has a conspiracy leaning; Israeli strategic planning.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Whatever you may think of the "rebels" in Idlib Province it was perfect timing by them to take on the Syrian dictatorship due to the Israeli destruction of Hezbollah, together with the constant Israeli bombing of Iranian military assets in Syria. Then of course the wearing down of Russian assets with the Ukrainian war.  Another way to put it could well be "unintended consequences" or if one has a conspiracy leaning; Israeli strategic planning.

 

   Opportunist  really .

Iranian proxy militias , Hamas and Hezbollah have been decimated , Iran have had their internal defence capabilities diminished  by Israeli missile attacks on their air defences and Iran have been severely weakened .

   Syrians rebels realised that and and ran Assad out of town .

With no Syrian leadership or army , Israel sank the Syrian navy .

Why not ?

[Jim Blue]

On 12/11/2024 at 1:21 PM, Lacessit said:

IMO Putin had no choice. Propping up Assad with Russian troops and equipment was not feasible, when he has his hands full with Ukraine.

Seems to me the Syrians owe Kiev  a  thank you Xmas card ?

[frank83628]

The first statement from Assad himself since US backed terrorists took over Syria...

 

[Hawaiian]

5 hours ago, frank83628 said:

The first statement from Assad himself since US backed terrorists took over Syria...

 

"It is a belonging filled with hope that Syria will once again be free and independent."  What rubbish!  It was he that enslaved the country and relied on Russia and Iran to stay in power.  There was no freedom and independence under his despicable rule.