Reform UK Surpasses Conservative Party Membership in Landmark Shift

[newbee2022]

6 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Sure, that is why I keep telling you that Africa and the ME has nothing to do with

 

But your simple mind cannot grasp that fact.

I'm not sure you can understand what I wrote. Maybe this here will help you. If not, nobody can help you (though I got some in mind)

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-june-2024/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-june-2024#:~:text=In the year ending June,these arrived by small boats.

[connda]

Like Germany's AfD, the Reform UK party will be branded by the Tories, Labour, and the UK media as a "far-Right, Extremist Organization Just Like The Nazis," after which Parliament will propose that the party be banned in order to "Save Our Democracy" which actually means to keep the nascent totalitarian UK state in the hands of the Conservatives and Labour who can then continue to bend the Anglo public over a stump and have their way with them.  Welcome to 1984! - it just arrived 40 years late.

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

If UK would have stopped exploiting it's colonies but make people a living, then there would nobody leave his country. 

To stop illegal immigration you have to start with improvements for the people in Middle East and Africa 

Colonialism ended 1946 to 1960's. Some countries too small to be standalone countries are British Protectorates by choice.

 

Colonies were left with functional models for Government Judiciary etc, power grids, hospitals etc where there were none.

 

Within one lifetime what were functioning countries and economies have declined to the point that people want to leave for the UK.

 

Granted, their mineral and other wealth in the ground was less, but it would likely remain undiscovered/unexploited to this day and are now the property of the Independent countries.

 

 

[connda]

2 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

By Christ, The exploding heads are out early this morning.

 

Keep spewing that hatred children. It is the very thing that drives him and drives people to Reform.

Along with all the other vitriol spewed at Farage, call him a Russian-Lover and Pootin's Puppet too.
That will cause the heads of the rabid UK Europhile Statists to explode like in the first 5 minutes of the movie - Scanners.

[newbee2022]

3 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Yes but it's all about immigration, the biggest vote winner in the room that is being ignored by both Labour and Conservatives.

Maybe, but Farage has no solution but populist's gibberish.

[Marcous]

To quote Andrew Marr ' The one thing that would finish Reform is being in government'

[mokwit]

The Tories have completely lost the trust of their voter base. They promised repeatedly to rein in immigration but it proceeded at full throttle as if Blair/Roche were still in charge. I suspect It's not that many are pro Reform per se, it is just they can't vote for the Conservatives anymore due to the betrayal and the fact they are a Globalist party, they certainly aren't going to vote for Chairman [Dear Leader]  Starmer, so that just leaves Reform (who are also promising action on immigration).

[mokwit]

17 minutes ago, connda said:

which actually means to keep the nascent totalitarian UK state in the hands of the Conservatives and Labour

You could just have said Globalists instead of 'Conservatives and Labour'. Two cheeks of the same.... as the saying goes.

[zyphodb]

1 hour ago, baansgr said:

So why UK, not part of our empire and they are in France a SAFE country..economic migrants that are too bone idle to do anything about it except come and scrounge off the UK..your politics are right outa the 70s..even John Lennon said in 1971 it wouldn't matter how much aid was given to foreign countries, it won't do any good...and he was right..different cultures have different values and a lot of them are not comparable with that of UK

 

Because they all speak English, not French...

[soalbundy]

6 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Maybe, but Farage has no solution but populist's gibberish.

Of course, he is after all a politician, but he makes his gibberish believable because he isn't in power and so needn't do anything practical.

[newbee2022]

Just now, soalbundy said:

Of course, he is after all a politician, but he makes his gibberish believable because he isn't in power and so needn't do anything practical.

Correct 🥳

[mokwit]

25 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I'm not sure you can understand what I wrote. Maybe this here will help you. If not, nobody can help you (though I got some in mind)

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-june-2024/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-june-2024#:~:text=In the year ending June,these arrived by small boats.

Focus on illegal immigration via boats just deflects from the huge amount of legal immigration (by design, I am sure).

 

I can't vouch for the veracity, having not checked, but if this is true, the below just shows the deception game the Tories have been playing.

[James105]

1 hour ago, bkk_mike said:

He's the person that pushed Brexit for decades, saying it would solve migration...

Only for immigrants station to shoot up after Brexit.

Brexit is a disaster. It's costing the country £2 billion a week and nobody is talking about it.

Why do you think he changed the name of the party from the Brexit party.

 

So the idiots that were sold the idea that Brexit would solve everything are now being told to "blame the immigrants". And that the solution is to withdraw from the ECHR so we can treat them worse than laws set up to literally prevent another Hitler say we're allowed to treat people. (And if you think removing their human rights won't as a side-effect take away our human rights - then you're an idiot of the highest order).

 

By the time you're posting here, you'll be living in Thailand. Think how you'd be feeling if Thai people were proclaiming their support for a political party that blamed immigrants for all their problems...

 

P.S. Before Brexit, I seem to remember Farage saying we can "be like Norway" quite a lot. Given leaving the Single Market, and the loss of passporting is causing more than half the tax losses from Brexit, the fact we chose to be like Albania in terms of our deal with the EU, rather than "being like Norway", is the biggest problem of Brexit.

 

You seem to forget that Farage was not in government and had no control over the Tory party and their desire to use mass uncontrolled immigration to make it look like the economy was growing with GDP.   Brexit was an opportunity to take the country in a different direction, but was ultimately scuppered by the political class who had no desire to do so.  The country gave the politicians the ball, removed the goalkeeper and all they had to do was shoot it in the open goal, but instead they took the ball and kicked it in their own net over and over again.  

 

Perhaps Thai people don't complain about immigration as immigrants do not get free housing, free money, free child benefits, free healthcare etc on the back of their tax money, nor can they easily compete with Thai people for jobs.  If the UK gave the exact same "benefits" immigrants get in Thailand I think many people in the UK would not complain so much.   

[simon43]

I wasn't aware that Reform were anti-immigration.  They have a policy to control immigration, and they welcome those immigrants who will be of benefit to the UK - similar to the immigration policies of many other countries.

 

A bit different from the open-door policy of Labour.... perhaps Starmer has shares in RIB manufacturers....

[The Cyclist]

23 minutes ago, James105 said:

You seem to forget that Farage was not in government and had no control over the Tory party and their desire to use mass uncontrolled immigration to make it look like the economy was growing with GDP

 

Farage is the boogieman that unites the One Nationers and Lefties in a frothing mess of tears and exploding heads.

 

Not bad for a guy that has, until very recently, has never even been elected as an MP.

 

Love him or loathe him, he has got the 2 cheeks of the same ****,  Labour and Tories, terrified. With the same predictable results and outcome " Attack, Attack, Attack "

 

It's all they have, none of them possess the cajonies, spine or brainpower to actually debate with him.

 

Wanting controlled legal migration is.............Racist.

 

Wanting to halt 10's of 1000's of fighting aged males flocking across the Channel is ..........Racist

 

Boring, predictable and bereft of braincells, knuckle dragging nonsense.

[baansgr]

4 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Farage is the boogieman that unites the One Nationers and Lefties in a frothing mess of tears and exploding heads.

 

Not bad for a guy that has, until very recently, has never even been elected as an MP.

 

Love him or loathe him, he has got the 2 cheeks of the same ****,  Labour and Tories, terrified. With the same predictable results and outcome " Attack, Attack, Attack "

 

It's all they have, none of them possess the cajonies, spine or brainpower to actually debate with him.

 

Wanting controlled legal migration is.............Racist.

 

Wanting to halt 10's of 1000's of fighting aged males flocking across the Channel is ..........Racist

 

Boring, predictable and bereft of braincells, knuckle dragging nonsense.

Racist...is against a race...what race is he being racist against..if  it helps I am a raging racist and don't like anyone but English

[connda]

50 minutes ago, mokwit said:

You could just have said Globalists instead of 'Conservatives and Labour'. Two cheeks of the same.... as the saying goes.

Exactly

[connda]

23 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I wasn't aware that Reform were anti-immigration.  They have a policy to control immigration, and they welcome those immigrants who will be of benefit to the UK - similar to the immigration policies of many other countries.

 

A bit different from the open-door policy of Labour.... perhaps Starmer has shares in RIB manufacturers....

To a globalist, anyone wanting to "Control Immigration" is a Racist.  Well - unless you are a developing nation like Thailand, then controlling immigration is perfectly fine and dandy.  Globalist only seem concerned with the "browning" of countries with European ancestry.  They could give a rip about countries-of-color keeping out all migrants regardless of color, e.g., Thailand.
 

So from a globalist perspective and amplified by pro-globalist politicians and media, if you wish to control the influx of migrants into the UK (US, EU, AU, CA, NZ) though legal immigration and keep out those illegally entering the country - then you are called A Racist!  However, I believe the AU and NZ get a pass. 'Eh?

[The Cyclist]

20 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Racist...is against a race...what race is he being racist against

 

That was my point

 

It is nothing but knuckle dragging nonsense from One Nationers and Lefties

[James105]

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Farage is the boogieman that unites the One Nationers and Lefties in a frothing mess of tears and exploding heads.

 

Not bad for a guy that has, until very recently, has never even been elected as an MP.

 

Love him or loathe him, he has got the 2 cheeks of the same ****,  Labour and Tories, terrified. With the same predictable results and outcome " Attack, Attack, Attack "

 

It's all they have, none of them possess the cajonies, spine or brainpower to actually debate with him.

 

Wanting controlled legal migration is.............Racist.

 

Wanting to halt 10's of 1000's of fighting aged males flocking across the Channel is ..........Racist

 

Boring, predictable and bereft of braincells, knuckle dragging nonsense.

 

Tories and Labour are just WEF puppets and sold their souls long ago to this project.  People often state that Reform should unite with the Tories, but the Tories have far more in common with Labour and are more likely to unite with them against Reform.   The only difference between them is one of competence, which does not mean I think the Tories were competent (they were not), but Labour are somehow on a different, never seen before level of incompetence.   Badenoch and Starmer are both signed up members to the WEF which means globalist first, party second and country in a very distant third place in terms of their priorities.  

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, jayboy said:

 

You are misreading the signals.Throughout the Western world we are seeing a collapse of the moderate centre right and the British conservative party is no exception. The Labour Party won a landslide victory but it was very shallow, and the inept Starmer has the lowest poll numbers for decades. The current government appears to politically incompetent and has shown to be dishonest in its election campaign.It's also clear that political parties have lost their traditional  class based support.A second Labour term is definitely not guaranteed and Reform is a very real possibility for government. This makes me as depressed as you I expect.

The Tory Party hasn’t been ‘moderate center right’ for over a decade.

[The Cyclist]

Fun fact 😀😀

 

Since the topic has been posted and garnered 80 posts, Reform has gained about another 800 members

 

https://www.reformparty.uk/counter

[Red Forever]

7 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Just to take one of your comments, in what way is he a racist ?

Erm….shall we start with walking through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood at night singing “gas them all” whilst at the prestigious Dulwich college.

[Patong2021]

The Conservative party will adapt, or it will perish.

I expect it will adapt and it will be within the next year as its new leader puts her stamp on policy. Once this is done, Reform will fade. People migrated to  Reform because they had nowhere else to go.

[Red Forever]

7 hours ago, baansgr said:

One example of each, lie? racist and inciting riots...LBC is hardly a upstanding station is it. Await your confirmation

Erm…Let’s just start with his latest porkie: He said that the Cabinet Office security told him to not open a surgery to meet constituents because he would be put in danger. No such advice was given. 
On your questioning  the veracity of LBC: yeah I agree that any radio station employing the grifter Farridge should come under scrutiny but hey, the person being interviewed by Tom Swarbrick was Farridge himself.

Await your rebuttal.

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, Red Forever said:

Erm….shall we start with walking through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood at night singing “gas them all” whilst at the prestigious Dulwich college.

 

Provide proof.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Red Forever said:

Erm….shall we start with walking through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood at night singing “gas them all” whilst at the prestigious Dulwich college.

That's a highly inflammatory claim, one that he denies and is attributed to a so called friend saying he witnessed it.

 

Is this how far you go to discredit people, spread false info?

[RayC]

6 hours ago, James105 said:

 

You seem to forget that Farage was not in government and had no control over the Tory party and their desire to use mass uncontrolled immigration to make it look like the economy was growing with GDP.   Brexit was an opportunity to take the country in a different direction, but was ultimately scuppered by the political class who had no desire to do so.  The country gave the politicians the ball, removed the goalkeeper and all they had to do was shoot it in the open goal, but instead they took the ball and kicked it in their own net over and over again.  

 

Perhaps Thai people don't complain about immigration as immigrants do not get free housing, free money, free child benefits, free healthcare etc on the back of their tax money, nor can they easily compete with Thai people for jobs.  If the UK gave the exact same "benefits" immigrants get in Thailand I think many people in the UK would not complain so much.   

 

You suggest that making a success of Brexit was a simple task. Can you explain what different measures could, and should, have been taken.

[James105]

55 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

You suggest that making a success of Brexit was a simple task. Can you explain what different measures could, and should, have been taken.

 

Off the top of my head, something like the following would do it.  

 

1.  Cut VAT to 7%.

2.  Cut immigration to max 50,000 high skilled individuals per year.

3.  Cancel Net zero

4.  Control the borders.

5.  Cut corporation tax to 15%

6.  Take an Argentinian president approach to pointless government departments.

7.  Sit back and watch as the country prospers beyond all recognition.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, mokwit said:

Focus on illegal immigration via boats just deflects from the huge amount of legal immigration (by design, I am sure).

 

I can't vouch for the veracity, having not checked, but if this is true, the below just shows the deception game the Tories have been playing.

At last you’ve posted something I agree with.

 

Starmer said it a few weeks back, the Tories were grandstanding ‘stop the boats’ while operating open border policies.

 

In the immediate aftermath of the BREXIT vote the Tories went cap I hand to India and The Philippines looking for cheap immigrant workers - cheaper than the EU workers and British workers they were to replace.

 

And the people who voted for that think Farage is the answer.