Is Obesity a Very Serious Problem?

[Gobbler]

On 12/27/2024 at 11:44 AM, bkk6060 said:

Yes, seem to getting fatter and fatter especially kids.  Too much food consumption, social media and lack of exercise. Some want to blame it on western fast food, which is a problem.  But, one can easily get fat on Thai food, not always the healithiest choices either.

I blame mRNA. 

[Airalee]

6 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

 

 

Eric Berg is another one who is just a chiropractor 

So what?  He is a smart guy who knows a lot about health.  

[scubascuba3]

29 minutes ago, Airalee said:

So what?  He is a smart guy who knows a lot about health.  

These guys like to give the impression they are medical doctors, noobs like them, with more experience you realise many things are garbage but up to you

[Jack Hammer]

A huge proportion of the population have a 7/11 diet.   You only have to see what they purchased from the stores.  
Overweight… a sniper’s dream

[Airalee]

35 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

These guys like to give the impression they are medical doctors, noobs like them, with more experience you realise many things are garbage but up to you

You seem to have an intense desire to litter every thread that discusses low carb eating with your own personal anecdotes?

 

Why is that?

 

I noticed that you made no comment regarding all the MDs I listed but instead single out the one person who isn’t an MD.

 

Cherry pick much?

[scubascuba3]

8 minutes ago, Airalee said:

You seem to have an intense desire to litter every thread that discusses low carb eating with your own personal anecdotes?

 

Why is that?

 

I noticed that you made no comment regarding all the MDs I listed but instead single out the one person who isn’t an MD.

 

Cherry pick much?

I'm not interested in your carb phobic anecdotes, you are probably fat anyway, Eckberg's name jumped out, no idea who the other carb phobics are

[Airalee]

2 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

I'm not interested in your carb phobic anecdotes, you are probably fat anyway, Eckberg's name jumped out, no idea who the other carb phobics are

193cm 86kg

 

See you on the next thread discussing low carb diets. 😘 

[Elkski]

On 12/27/2024 at 12:27 AM, BarBoy said:

Maybe all you can get is the plumpers,  rsd,  but I can get better.

 

It's all about the size of my wallet and my penis.

 

You can but dream!

So bobish it has to be! 

 

Was in Vegas 2 weeks ago.  Just sad at the chubby gals in sparkly dresses.  Lots of Chinese like so many maybe 30% of total. And the Chinese were slimmer mostly.   But the obesity I saw was alarming.   Attended a minor league baseball game in the summer.  I was shocked at how many morbidly obese who had trays of unhealthy food.   It almost seemed liked they came for an excuse to be able to eat junk as that's all on offer.  Plus so many were fat so they felt at home.  

[dinsdale]

What sort of a question is this. We live in a diverse world. Body positivity is a good thing.

 

 

[UWEB]

On 12/27/2024 at 11:32 AM, RSD1 said:

When I first came to Thailand decades ago, I hardly ever saw anyone overweight in the hub of great food and habitual snackers. But over time, that has changed considerably.

 

The WHO, in 2011, published information about obesity by country in Southeast Asia, showing that 32.2% of the Thai population was already overweight (see the info graphic on the link below).

 

Now, according to a more recent study (on the same link below), Thailand’s obesity rate has already gotten much worse. A 2022 study revealed that the prevalence of overweight Thais and Thai obesity has reached 47.8%, up from 34.7% in 2016.

 

To me, those numbers are really staggering. It seems Thailand now has a major public health problem on its hands (in my non-expert opinion). Based on the climb from 32.2% in 2011 to 47.8% in 2022, it means obesity has risen at an average of about 3.66% per year over that 11-year period.

 

If this average rate continues then it suggests that the percentage of people who are now overweight or obese in Thailand in 2024 has already surpassed 50%, reaching a shocking 51.36%. Assuming this trend continues then by 2030 around 62.88% of the Thai population could be overweight or obese, assuming these calculations are correct and that the rate of annual increase in obesity continues at the same pace.

 

To me, this is disastrous. And if the rise continues, more and more people will suffer from diabetes, hypertension, and heart disease in Thailand than ever before. 

 

Meanwhile, there were hardly any gyms at all in Bangkok when I first came here and now they're everywhere, many are also open 24 hours. So a lot more people are exercising, at least a little bit anyway when they go to these places, but obviously it's not helping them very much. It's the worsening diet and the massive caloric surplus that so many are consuming that is causing this rapid increase in obesity.

 

Not to mention, the aesthetic appeal of the locals is declining rapidly too. I rarely see women with attractive faces and figures anymore, largely due to this growing obesity problem. It’s really saddening.

 

And it’s not just Thailand. This same trend is happening throughout Southeast Asia. Malaysia is in an even worse situation. Singapore is struggling too, and the Philippines isn’t far behind. I wonder where this is all leading and if it will greatly accelerate the mortality rate in Thailand over the next decade.
 

To me it would seem that Thailand is losing its edge as a place known for beautiful women in Southeast Asia too. For me personally, I find that I rarely see Thai women that even cause me to turn my head anymore.

 

https://www.thailand-business-news.com/asean/49065-thailand-ranks-second-asean-prevalence-obesity-mcot-net

Are all the big bally foreign walking meatballs included?

[scottiejohn]

Obesity is primarily a problem of the obese so I don't care except for the fact that back in the UK they are a heavy burden on the NHS!

[Gobbler]

On 12/27/2024 at 12:59 PM, scubascuba3 said:

Yes if anyone needs further proof head to Soi 6 or Pattaya Beach road. The thing is the Thai ladies i speak to just don't understand why they are getting fat, also have no clue about diabetes, on the upside ti ts are on the rise

 

Safe and effective.  Think about it. 

[scubascuba3]

16 minutes ago, Gobbler said:

 

Safe and effective.  Think about it. 

Nothing to think about

[Gobbler]

14 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Nothing to think about

Why bother to post anything? 

 

[scubascuba3]

6 minutes ago, Gobbler said:

Why bother to post anything? 

 

exactly why did you? you added nothing

[georgegeorgia]

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

Obesity is primarily a problem of the obese so I don't care except for the fact that back in the UK they are a heavy burden on the NHS!

Oh get off your high horse !

[scottiejohn]

11 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Oh get off your high horse !

I am not obese so at least I can mount and dismount to and from my high horse!

BTW; What was the point of your pointless post?

[NickyLouie]

Fat people basically have very little self respect, it's a proven fact.

 

Obesity is a psychological problem that has plagued the west and is now corrupting the Thai.  

 

 

[save the frogs]

On 12/27/2024 at 7:56 AM, Lacessit said:

I don't know if you follow a Dr Ken Berry on YouTube, he says sugar is inflammatory.

 

Strawberries, blueberries ( especially ) and raspberries are all good fruits. Apples are halfway, bananas and mangoes are high in sucrose and fructose.

 

At one point, I was carnivore. I stopped eating fruit.

Then decided carnivore has nutrient deficiencies. So started adding back fruit.

But only stuck to low glycemic fruit.

Now, I am eating all fruit, regardless of sugar levels.

I'm not perfectly slim, but I'm not fat. But if wasn't so busy with work and did some exercise, I think I might be perfectly fit even while eating high sugar fruit. 

It's not as easy to stay slim as with carnivore, but with some exercise I think it's possible. 

I'm not convinced that it's necessary to stick to low glycemic fruit.

But it's hard to know who to trust as there is a lot of controversy surrounding fruit.

Some doctors still claim all fruit is evil and causes diabetes. 

The carnivore crowd avoids all fruit.

The low carb crowd is obsessed with carb content. 

Monkeys eat a whole lot of bananas. Either their digestive systems are different or they know something we don't. 

 

 

[save the frogs]

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[Caldera]

On 12/27/2024 at 11:32 AM, RSD1 said:

To me, this is disastrous.

 

I agree, it's a public health disaster and it has been a very visible change over the last two decades that I've been here.

 

I think this is where the nearly complete lack of parenting really backfires - left to their own devices, many kids simply prefer the smartphone / TV / game PC couch potato lifestyle over a more physically active one. And an obese teenager will usually be obese for life.

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

At one point, I was carnivore. I stopped eating fruit.

Then decided carnivore has nutrient deficiencies. So started adding back fruit.

But only stuck to low glycemic fruit.

Now, I am eating all fruit, regardless of sugar levels.

I'm not perfectly slim, but I'm not fat. But if wasn't so busy with work and did some exercise, I think I might be perfectly fit even while eating high sugar fruit. 

It's not as easy to stay slim as with carnivore, but with some exercise I think it's possible. 

I'm not convinced that it's necessary to stick to low glycemic fruit.

But it's hard to know who to trust as there is a lot of controversy surrounding fruit.

Some doctors still claim all fruit is evil and causes diabetes. 

The carnivore crowd avoids all fruit.

The low carb crowd is obsessed with carb content. 

Monkeys eat a whole lot of bananas. Either their digestive systems are different or they know something we don't. 

 

 

Monkeys can get diabetes. Some species are more prone than others.

 

IMO the saving grace of fruit is its sugar composition. It is usually 50:50 fructose and sucrose.

 

Sucrose is sugar, 50:50 fructose and glucose. Glucose is the sugar that requires insulin, and shows up on blood tests.

 

Fructose is processed by the liver. OTOH, fructose overload can cause non-alcoholic fatty liver disease ( NAFLD ).

 

Lactose is present in milk, regular yoghurts, and soft cheeses. It is also processed by the liver, again potentially causing NAFLD.

 

Hard cheeses contain very little lactose, I eat as much as I want.

 

People drinking skim milk, marketed as healthy , is ironic. Skim milk is actually enriched in lactose.

[sandyf]

On 12/27/2024 at 2:02 PM, Lacessit said:

In my GF's village, most of the male Thais are skinny as rakes. They work hard, and can't afford Western food.

Exactly. The root of the problem is increased affluence in certain areas and a misguided perception that what is good for the west is good for them.

The likes of McDonalds, KFC & Pizza Hut have a lot to answer for.

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Obesity is primarily a problem of the obese so I don't care except for the fact that back in the UK they are a heavy burden on the NHS!

Quite. In recent years when I have been back there has supposed to have been a cost of living crisis. The number of grossly obese, predominantly women, stuffing their faces in Wetherspoons would bring that into dispute.

It is a bit unfortunate that the Thais seem to think that what is good for the UK is good for them.

[norsurin]

A fat kid means they have money same as alot of garbage around some houses specifically in esan areas.

[ericthai]

On 12/27/2024 at 2:12 AM, RSD1 said:

If they ate more Western food, they might be healthier and less overweight actually. It's all the rice and noodles and the sugar in the beverages that are all very calorically dense. There is also a lot of palm oil in the local cooking, which is also very calorically dense as well. Anything with coconut in it again is also calorically dense. And all those Thai deep-fried snacks like bananas and other types of fritters with corn and other stuff. Again, lots of calories. 

Actually,  I believe it's all the chips and candy.  As you, when I first came to Thailand you'd see very few over weight people.

Over the years you could see the kids are getting heavier. All the adverting on TV and parents with no education on nutrition let their kids eat candy, chips and coke all the time. 

[RSD1]

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

At one point, I was carnivore. I stopped eating

fruit

.

 

Then decided carnivore has nutrient deficiencies. So started adding back

fruit

.

 

But only stuck to low glycemic

fruit

.

 

Now, I am eating all

fruit

, regardless of sugar levels.

 

I'm not perfectly slim, but I'm not fat. But if wasn't so busy with work and did some exercise, I think I might be perfectly fit even while eating high sugar

fruit

. 

 

It's not as easy to stay slim as with carnivore, but with some exercise I think it's possible. 

I'm not convinced that it's necessary to stick to low glycemic

fruit

.

 

But it's hard to know who to trust as there is a lot of controversy surrounding

fruit

.

 

Some doctors still claim all

fruit

is evil and causes diabetes. 

 

The carnivore crowd avoids all

fruit

.

 

The low carb crowd is obsessed with carb content. 

Monkeys eat a whole lot of bananas. Either their digestive systems are different or they know something we don't. 

 

 

I wouldn't worry about fruit. I normally eat a few pieces of fruit a day. I never worry about if it's a high glycemic fruit or not. Mostly I eat bananas, apples, cantaloupe, and pineapple.  Sometimes some watermelon or oranges. 
 

The main point though is that fruit has its sugar embedded in fiber, and the fiber slows down the absorption of the sugar by the body and helps to prevent the insulin spikes that would convert it to fat.
 

So as long as you're only eating a few reasonably sized pieces of fruit a day, then I wouldn't worry about it at all and I doubt that it's going to make any difference in terms of weight or body fat percentage in general. 
 

If you're really worried about it, then with things like bananas don't eat more than one a day. But on some days, I eat two or three. It just depends.

[Walker88]

11 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I'm not interested in your carb phobic anecdotes, you are probably fat anyway, Eckberg's name jumped out, no idea who the other carb phobics are

Carbo-phobia is way out of hand. Individual metabolism varies, as does the amount of exercise people do.

 

I eat a ton of carbs---pizza, pasta, French bread---though I also aim for 2 gm/kg/day of protein. I hit the gym 6 days a week for resistance training and cardio/HIIT.

 

I just had a complete physical. HbA1c is 5.2. Tryglycerides are 66 mg/L, while thyroid and liver readings are normal.  HDL-C is 68. Body fat is 11%. Doctor did not say to lay off the carbs.

 

Carbs do not seem to be the bogeyman those chiropractors claim.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

Carbo-phobia is way out of hand. Individual metabolism varies, as does the amount of exercise people do.

 

I eat a ton of carbs---pizza, pasta, French bread---though I also aim for 2 gm/kg/day of protein. I hit the gym 6 days a week for resistance training and cardio/HIIT.

 

I just had a complete physical. HbA1c is 5.2. Tryglycerides are 66 mg/L, while thyroid and liver readings are normal.  HDL-C is 68. Body fat is 11%. Doctor did not say to lay off the carbs.

 

Carbs do not seem to be the bogeyman those chiropractors claim.

Very true, people get on these weird keto type diets when if they had an ounce of self discipline they could cut out the rubbish junk food, you just have to read these threads to see how mixed up they are

[save the frogs]

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Very true, people get on these weird keto type diets when if they had an ounce of self discipline they could cut out the rubbish junk food, you just have to read these threads to see how mixed up they are

but white flour and even whole grain flours can be considered junk food by many, including myself. as they are inflammatory. 

 

white rice and sweet potatoes might be better more benign carb options, along with fruit.