Why some of us did not get COVID symptoms …even though we were exposed.

[Red Phoenix]

15 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Retired chiropractor/airline captain

Education

AS, Community College of Allegheny County, 1977. Doctor of Chiropractic, Palmer College, 1980.

Career

X-ray technician Stillwagon Chiropractic, Monongahela, 1973-1977. Flight instructor Rostraver Aviation, Belle Vernon, Pennsylvania, 1976-1977, Flying Country Club, Moline, Illinois, 1977-1980. Vice president Stillwagon Seminars, Inc., Monongahela, since 1980.

https://prabook.com/web/kevin_lee.stillwagon/1369594

About

Kevin Stillwagon, D.C.

Retired from practice in 1988.

https://www.wellness.com/dir/456673/chiropractor/fl/saint-cloud/kevin-stillwagon-retired-from-practice-in-1988-dc#referrer

 

Wow!  Four whole years working as an X-ray technician!

Then possibly up to 8 years practicing Phrenology.

 

"trust the tinfoil"

 

 

 

 

 

 

The usual ad-hominems and smears, and not a word about the CONTENT of the article by dr Stillwagon.

Let me respond with a Christmas allegory >

[NoDisplayName]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

The usual ad-hominems and smers, and not a word about the CONTENT of the article by dr Stillwagon.

Let me respond with a Christmas allegory >

 

Local Chiropractor continues to spread disinformation debunked by, you know.................the really reals.

[rattlesnake]

7 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

COVID is over and was close to a fake nothing-burger, but the jabs that people were fooled/coerced/mandated to take in order to 'protect' their health from it are the Gift that Keeps on Giving. 

The whole con is far from over, and I for one am not inclined to 'forgive and forget' because without accountability for this Crime of the Century (including life-long jail and death sentences), these demons will do it again.

 

Yeah and I have a few screenshots of users of this site openly condoning this crime (and who would have been more than happy to send the unvaccinated to concentration camps).

[gk10012001]

Good bad or indifferent the shutdowns and curfews greatly hurt many USA cities (San Francisco) for example, caused thousands of small businesses to go under, jobs lost, houses lost, apartment evictions, and many other long lasting financials issues.  So were curfews and shutdowns effective? 

[gk10012001]

I truly believe the big push was from the big pharmacy companies that loved the idea of this DNA and RNA technology.  It would allow them to make vats and tons of viral treatments very cheaply and quickly, which would lead to huge profits.  It was an interesting technology as compared to say the current and common chick egg flu vaccine culture method.  That takes months to start in advance of a season and they have to guess what strains to breed in advance which guarantees they won't breed the final versions needed, nor does that guarantee effectiveness.  Neglecting possible or unknown negative effects of the manufactured DNA RNA vacccines, studies do admit that while they do stimulate some of the immune system, they do not do everything the other vaccine types do, either the weakened viruses or the dead virus vaccine methods. 

[rattlesnake]

5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

What Is Asymptomatic COVID-19 and Are You Contagious?

Studies suggest 1 in 5 people infected with the coronavirus never develop symptoms

 

Cleveland Clinic

May 28, 2024

...

What does asymptomatic COVID-19 mean?

"Simply put, the word “asymptomatic” means being sick without having symptoms. No fever, no cough, no body aches, no fatigue. Nothing. Your body’s actively battling a disease — and in some cases spreading it — without you even realizing you’re unwell. [emphasis added]

...

The bottom line

"Approximately 20% of individuals infected with COVID-19 are asymptomatic. That means they don’t have any symptoms and may never even know they were sick. That’s a problem from a public health standpoint because the person who had COVID-19 is still contagious and can unknowingly spread the virus to other people. It’s also reason #418 that staying up to date on your COVID-19 vaccines is so important.

 

If you know that you have an asymptomatic case of COVID-19, be sure that you wear a mask and practice social distancing if you’re going to be around other people. Isolation guidelines are changing as the virus becomes part of our everyday lives, but your responsibility to protect others from infection isn’t."

 

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/asymptomatic-covid

 

 

A disease so deadly, you don't even know you have it…

 

I remember, back in France, in 2022, they were talking on MSM about a "concerning trend": people were trying to catch Covid intentionally in order to obtain a vax passport without having to get vaccinated.

 

People trying to inoculate themselves with the "disease" to avoid having to take the "cure"…

[rattlesnake]

5 minutes ago, gk10012001 said:

I truly believe the big push was from the big pharmacy companies that loved the idea of this DNA and RNA technology.  It would allow them to make vats and tons of viral treatments very cheaply and quickly, which would lead to huge profits.  It was an interesting technology as compared to say the current and common chick egg flu vaccine culture method.  That takes months to start in advance of a season and they have to guess what strains to breed in advance which guarantees they won't breed the final versions needed, nor does that guarantee effectiveness.  Neglecting possible or unknown negative effects of the manufactured DNA RNA vacccines, studies do admit that while they do stimulate some of the immune system, they do not do everything the other vaccine types do, either the weakened viruses or the dead virus vaccine methods. 

 

Yeah, they don't work.

[Hawaiian]

8 hours ago, Flyguy330 said:

Here's an interesting story.

Because of various delays and diversions my 13 y.o. son wasn't vaxxed. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I was just waiting for the promised non mRNA vax to come out for him. I had concluded that (according to all the data being published) his risk was very low or non existent and the only reason for vaxxing HIM was to allow him to travel or otherwise go to restricted places.

As it happened, the non mRNA vaxx didn't become available by the time lockdowns started lifting and he was called back to regular school. His un-vaxxed status became a non-issue.

Once back to school I assumed he'd catch it and get over it fast. But he steadfastly refused to catch it (LOL). Then all his little classmates and friends (all of whom were obediently vaxxed) started catching it dropping like flies. Not dying - but getting quite sick, and having to stay away from class for a week. Even kids sitting next to him were succumbing. But not him.

How weird I thought. He must have a super strong immune system! OR, maybe he DID catch it, but was asymptomatic and shook it off fast?

In the end my curiosity got the better of me and I took him to a hospital covid test lab to have an antibody test. This would show if he had indeed caught it and had the antibodies to prove it.

The test came back negative.

To this day he has never had covid (no symptoms anyhow).

I can't explain it - but it sure amazes me!

Here's another interesting one.  Both my girlfriend and I received the Pfizer shot and 3 boosters.  She was exposed at work twice and tested positive both times with no symptoms.  I tested negative both times with no symptoms.  I'm in my 80's and she 30 years younger.

[Hawaiian]

8 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

 

 

Unfortunately, some people who are against vaccines are often basing their beliefs on misinformation and conspiracy theories, rather than on evidence-based research and expert recommendations. COVID-19 is a real disease that has caused over 6.6 million deaths worldwide, which is hardly a "fake nothing-burger." Try telling those who lost close family and friends to the disease it was nothing.

COVID is real and it is still circulating, just in a more contagious but less virulent form. 

[rattlesnake]

8 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

As is to be expected in this particular subforum ("no proof required')

 

no proof required no censorship…

[Hawaiian]

7 hours ago, jas007 said:

Does it really matter who this chiropractor is  or what he's done?  It's easy enough to figure out, at this late date, that the jabs weren't effective and were actually dangerous to a lot of people.  And the excess deaths keep piling up around the world, except in places like Africa, where everything is pretty much business as usual.  

 

 

Africa, 12 1/2 million cases and 258,000 deaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Africa

[KhunLA]

4 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Africa, 12 1/2 million cases and 258,000 deaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Africa

Wiki ... might as well quote the DailyMail ... 

 

So, a 1/4 million people died ... of something ???  

 

I still don't know one person who died, or was even hospitalized because of C19.   Daughter probably had it, maybe, or just the flu.

 

I do know of someone that died from the vaccine.

[jas007]

5 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Africa, 12 1/2 million cases and 258,000 deaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Africa

And you think Wikipedia is a credible source? 

[Hawaiian]

45 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Wiki ... might as well quote the DailyMail ... 

 

So, a 1/4 million people died ... of something ???  

 

I still don't know one person who died, or was even hospitalized because of C19.   Daughter probably had it, maybe, or just the flu.

 

I do know of someone that died from the vaccine.

Your prerogative to believe how accurate the figures are. Even if I produced the same statistics from another source you would most likely deny it. 

Is is possible that living in a pineapple field gave you an immunity to COVID?

Or perhaps anyone who denies the existence of COVID is automatically immune to an imaginary virus?

The veterans care home where I live had a bunch of deaths attributed to COVID-19.  As soon as proper safety protocol was put in place, the deaths came to a halt.  I know, just a coincidence.

[Hawaiian]

45 minutes ago, jas007 said:

And you think Wikipedia is a credible source? 

It depends how and where the information is gathered.  In this case I think the statistics are fairly accurate.

 

This source matches the figures from Wikipedia.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1170463/coronavirus-cases-in-africa/

[KhunLA]

4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Is is possible that living in a pineapple field gave you an immunity to COVID?

As stated, I live by my experiences, not what corrupt authorities tell me.  And yes, they do ...  

 

[Hamus Yaigh]

13 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

The usual ad-hominems and smears, and not a word about the CONTENT of the article by dr Stillwagon.

Let me respond with a Christmas allegory >

Utter nonsense. https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.9PW8PJ

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

It depends how and where the information is gathered.  In this case I think the statistics are fairly accurate.

Even the CDC had to adjust their 'death by covid' numbers, since most early deaths reported weren't even tested for covid.  

 

Same people that still state the vaccine is 'safe & effective'

 

Try to keep up ... 

[Hawaiian]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Even the CDC had to adjust their 'death by covid' numbers, since most early deaths reported weren't even tested for covid.  

 

Same people that still state the vaccine is 'safe & effective'

 

Try to keep up ... 

As I said, your prerogative.  Maybe daily consumption of pineapple will give you immortality.  Believe it or not.  Your prerogative.

[roo860]

15 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

How do you know you didn't get covid when so many got it and never knew due to lack of symptoms ?

I had it twice in the UK and had no symptoms, had to self test for work twice a week. Had 2 vacations only, so I could return to Thailand, had to do 1 week in quarantine.

[jas007]

Anyone watching the news lately will probably have noticed by now. the same cast of characters are once again pushing a pandemic narrative.  This time, it's the "bird flu."  One lady was suggesting that the Biden Administration still has time to roll out the vaccines before Trump takes office.  They want free testing available, and FDA approval of a new set of jabs.  And they want all this before the Trump administration has a chance to stop it. 

[connda]

I don't particularly buy into the "Asymptomatic Carriers" as that trope didn't appear until Covid magically appeared.  Before 2020 I'd never heard of anyone who didn't display the disease actually being carriers accept in very rare situations - it was not the norm.  It wasn't until the push to make everyone in the world forcefully get the mRNA shots that the term Asymptomatic Carrier arrived on the scene, and the term that was used in the media was "Asymptomatic Spreaders."  Muhhhaaaaahhhhaa.

With that said, I have no doubt that humans can be exposed to a pathogen, their immune system kick in, and beat it before it becomes symptomatic.  Anyway - those shot don't stop transmission.  They should be pulled from the market.  A vaccine stops transmission, Covid shots don't. They are neither "Safe" nor "Effective."  But they made Pfizer and Moderna a lot of money though.

[impulse]

21 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Anyone watching the news lately will probably have noticed by now. the same cast of characters are once again pushing a pandemic narrative.  This time, it's the "bird flu."  One lady was suggesting that the Biden Administration still has time to roll out the vaccines before Trump takes office.  They want free testing available, and FDA approval of a new set of jabs.  And they want all this before the Trump administration has a chance to stop it. 

 

One of my concerns is that they punted so badly on Covid that the public won't trust them when the big one hits.

 

As I understand it the H5N1 jabs are a traditional vaccine (Not mRNA) and have some history.  And I'm in favor of free and easy testing as long as the test is reliable.  Which most of the Covid testing wasn't. 

 

And no bonuses to the hospitals for treating it (whatever "it" is).  That's just too tempting...

 

Can anyone confirm or make fun of me regarding the traditional nature of the H5N1 vaccines?  I may be wrong on that one if they're hiding their nature to sucker us in.  Again.

 

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Utter nonsense. https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.9PW8PJ

 

Quick question...

 

Who is the money behind factcheck.afp,com ?

 

Never mind that "fact check" is from 2021, when all talk that went against the narrative was squelched.

 

[Hawaiian]

54 minutes ago, connda said:

I don't particularly buy into the "Asymptomatic Carriers" as that trope didn't appear until Covid magically appeared.  Before 2020 I'd never heard of anyone who didn't display the disease actually being carriers accept in very rare situations - it was not the norm.  It wasn't until the push to make everyone in the world forcefully get the mRNA shots that the term Asymptomatic Carrier arrived on the scene, and the term that was used in the media was "Asymptomatic Spreaders."  Muhhhaaaaahhhhaa.

With that said, I have no doubt that humans can be exposed to a pathogen, their immune system kick in, and beat it before it becomes symptomatic.  Anyway - those shot don't stop transmission.  They should be pulled from the market.  A vaccine stops transmission, Covid shots don't. They are neither "Safe" nor "Effective."  But they made Pfizer and Moderna a lot of money though.

The vaccine is not intended to prevent COVID and its transmission, but lessen the chance of serious effects. 

The term "asymptomatic has been around since the 1930's. 

Both Pfizer and Moderna are publicly owned companies whose stock is widely trade.  Stockholders expect a fair return on their investment. The markets determine what a fair return is.

[Red Phoenix]

6 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

The vaccine is not intended to prevent COVID and its transmission, but lessen the chance of serious effects. 

The term "asymptomatic has been around since the 1930's. 

Both Pfizer and Moderna are publicly owned companies whose stock is widely trade.  Stockholders expect a fair return on their investment. The markets determine what a fair return is.

 

Let me refresh your memory of how it was sold...

and don't give me the crappy excuse of 'evolving scientific insights' when they coerced and forced this experimental gen-therapy on everybody.

 

[newbee2022]

On 12/29/2024 at 9:26 AM, dinsdale said:

experimental DNA therapy

What do you mean? 

[jas007]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

One of my concerns is that they punted so badly on Covid that the public won't trust them when the big one hits.

At this point, and as far as I'm concerned, the credibility of the CDC, the FDA, the WHO, the dug companies, and the medical journals is ZERO.  Absolute ZERO.   And the mainstream media, in case I forget. Anything any of those people say or print I assume is a lie.   I'll be safer figuring it out myself. 

[jesimps]

On 12/29/2024 at 9:26 AM, spidermike007 said:

There are many aspects of the covid narrative that were either downright false or misleading. In my opinion it always had to do with your own personal immunity, the strength of your body, the quality of your diet, and so many different lifestyle issues, and none of them were ever discussed. Obesity was never discussed, discission of diet was discouraged, and the entire narrative was skewed. 

 

The agendas of the WHO, the CDC, the FDA, and Big Pharma ALWAYS need to be questioned. Healthy discourse always needs  to be encouraged, and yet it was completely shut down during the pandemic. 

One of your more stupid posts. When I was in the military many years ago, I served in some dodgy places and have received jabs for almost every disease under the sun.  I had three Covid jabs and so far haven't been infected. I put this down to taking the advice of medically qualified experts rather than the nomarks on Asean Now Forums. Conspiracy theorists abound on here.

[jas007]

2 hours ago, connda said:

I don't particularly buy into the "Asymptomatic Carriers" as that trope didn't appear until Covid magically appeared.  Before 2020 I'd never heard of anyone who didn't display the disease actually being carriers accept in very rare situations - it was not the norm.  It wasn't until the push to make everyone in the world forcefully get the mRNA shots that the term Asymptomatic Carrier arrived on the scene, and the term that was used in the media was "Asymptomatic Spreaders."  Muhhhaaaaahhhhaa.

With that said, I have no doubt that humans can be exposed to a pathogen, their immune system kick in, and beat it before it becomes symptomatic.  Anyway - those shot don't stop transmission.  They should be pulled from the market.  A vaccine stops transmission, Covid shots don't. They are neither "Safe" nor "Effective."  But they made Pfizer and Moderna a lot of money though.

There's actually some validity to the theory that infected people can spread the virus before they become symptomatic.  It's called the "latency period."  It all depends on the type of virus and its mode of operation.  Anyway, that's how they fooled people during COVID.  Whether true or not, it was possible, and so it was a good scare tactic.