Opinion : Why is the Dem party so toxic?

[Yagoda]

48 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump is a Russian asset. Period. He is bought and paid for by Putin. Just watch. You will see. He is NOT who you think he is. 

There you go boys and girls. Someone is so deranged by his obsessive hatred of Trump that he lives in a fantasy world.

Just you watchj. Just you wait and see. LOL

[SunnyinBangrak]

54 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump is a Russian asset. Period. He is bought and paid for by Putin. Just watch. You will see. He is NOT who you think he is. 

Always amazes me that Putin invaded Ukraine under democrat Obama, was too scared to under his alleged puppet Trump, then went back in big time under corrupt democrat biden.

Why on earth would he be scared of his puppet?😂

 

I think you need to sit down and think this through more.

[mokwit]

2 hours ago, KhaoTakiab said:

"Large scale organised capitalism actually reduced wars.."

England has been at war with almost every country currently in the UN

In fairness I was mixing my timescales by a few hundred years. the Point I was making in saying that prior to large scale capitalism the only way to dramatically increase a country's wealth was territorial expansion, and here comes the missing factor, often at the behest of an absolute Monarch seeking to increase wealth and influence (Hitler was a de facto absolute Monarch).

 

I am not suggesting it was an absolute or that there were no other factors, but most of Europe's pre 20th century wars seem to have been driven by Monarchist expansion.

 

Yes, I know the UK continued to be expansionist long after industrialisation and Victoria (or Albert) don't seem to have personally been the drivers of this. It was the need for securing raw materials for industry, just as China is doing now via economic colonialism. Germany's expansion into Africa was also resource driven, but with the Kaiser more in the driving seat. The buildup of the German naval fleet to near match UK was a major factor in the lead up to ww1 in my opinion.

 

I have seen it stated that the NSDAP was a party of the middle class, rather than of workers and also that Nazism was created/driven by big business. The first to distance National Socialism from Socialism and the latter to try and create the impression that Capitalism deliberately leads to war ('most efficient means of production yet devised' types).

 

Hitlers National "Socialism" blueprint was a Nationalism focused social movement across society/classes with a common Nationalism focused purpose, not the Socialism of Marx and Engels as some claim but its power base was serving the masses, not Industry, which it subjugated to the state, along with the population. The Nazis were opposed to what they saw as Jewish Bolshevik internationalism.

 

I think few understand the social contract with the Nazis, which was we agree to hand over authority to you as the party that will fix things. At Nuremberg Hitler said that absolute obedience was required all the way from the very bottom to the very top, and this was effectively what the populace agreed to do. It was handed to him/the party more than it was top down enforced on them. They agreed to subjugate themselves to the state for the common good in peacetime, before war was on the horizon..

 

 

 

[Gottfrid]

On 12/30/2024 at 6:59 PM, riclag said:

1. Leftist insanity?

2. Open Borders?

3.The economy?

4. Attacking Trump?

 

“Americans now associate dems with high crime,high prices,migrant gangs taking over cities and biological men in women sports, which has as much appeal as expired milk”.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/12/29/opinion/realistic-dems-are-finally-realizing-their-toxic-party-needs-an-overhaul/

 

There is a NYP survey  about the topic 

in the link!

Ridiculous! The answer to this will depend on if you are rep or dem?

[Yagoda]

15 minutes ago, mokwit said:

In fairness I was mixing my timescales by a few hundred years. the Point I was making in saying that prior to large scale capitalism the only way to dramatically increase a country's wealth was territorial expansion, and here comes the missing factor, often at the behest of an absolute Monarch seeking to increase wealth and influence (Hitler was a de facto absolute Monarch).

 

I am not suggesting it was an absolute or that there were no other factors, but most of Europe's pre 20th century wars seem to have been driven by Monarchist expansion.

 

Yes, I know the UK continued to be expansionist long after industrialisation and Victoria (or Albert) don't seem to have personally been the drivers of this. It was the need for securing raw materials for industry, just as China is doing now via economic colonialism. Germany's expansion into Africa was also resource driven, but with the Kaiser more in the driving seat. The buildup of the German naval fleet to near match UK was a major factor in the lead up to ww1 in my opinion.

 

I have seen it stated that the NSDAP was a party of the middle class, rather than of workers and also that Nazism was created/driven by big business. The first to distance National Socialism from Socialism and the latter to try and create the impression that Capitalism deliberately leads to war ('most efficient means of production yet devised' types).

 

Hitlers National "Socialism" blueprint was a Nationalism focused social movement across society/classes with a common Nationalism focused purpose, not the Socialism of Marx and Engels as some claim but its power base was serving the masses, not Industry, which it subjugated to the state, along with the population. The Nazis were opposed to what they saw as Jewish Bolshevik internationalism.

 

I think few understand the social contract with the Nazis, which was we agree to hand over authority to you as the party that will fix things. At Nuremberg Hitler said that absolute obedience was required all the way from the very bottom to the very top, and this was effectively what the populace agreed to do. It was handed to him/the party more than it was top down enforced on them. They agreed to subjugate themselves to the state for the common good in peacetime, before war was on the horizon..

 

 

 

Feel free to join in, you are apparently educated.

 

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Ridiculous! The answer to this will depend on if you are rep or dem?

Im a Registered Democrat

[riclag]

33 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Ridiculous! The answer to this will depend on if you are rep or dem?

When they can figure out why they lost

and admit it( 4 OP categories) perhaps the leftist from other countries will get it. Economy & Open borders rhyme with this narrative below!

“More Democrats fear the party’s image isn’t just damaged – it’s broken”

Everyone agrees they lost the working class, but they’re deeply divided on where to place the blame — and what to do about it”

 

 

Democrats from both wings of the party agreed they have stopped knowing how to talk to the working class, once the very core of their identity.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/10/democratic-party-crisis-mode-00188547

 

 

Something tells me Sir Gottfrid you’re not from my country! You sir are clueless to America historical traditions!The radical 

dems extremism(Woke  DEI) destroyed their brains,

completely out of touch with tradition,

1. We don’t ever use lawfare to thwart & persecute the leading candidate for office.

2. We dont use & abuse illegal entry to gain entrance to our country.

3.We frown on biological males competing in womans sports 

4 . Leftist insanity , creating a crisis in Ukraine & Middle East , illegal migration and campaigning on fixing it!

[KhaoTakiab]

40 minutes ago, mokwit said:

In fairness I was mixing my timescales by a few hundred years. the Point I was making in saying that prior to large scale capitalism the only way to dramatically increase a country's wealth was territorial expansion, and here comes the missing factor, often at the behest of an absolute Monarch seeking to increase wealth and influence (Hitler was a de facto absolute Monarch).

 

I am not suggesting it was an absolute or that there were no other factors, but most of Europe's pre 20th century wars seem to have been driven by Monarchist expansion.

 

Yes, I know the UK continued to be expansionist long after industrialisation and Victoria (or Albert) don't seem to have personally been the drivers of this. It was the need for securing raw materials for industry, just as China is doing now via economic colonialism. Germany's expansion into Africa was also resource driven, but with the Kaiser more in the driving seat. The buildup of the German naval fleet to near match UK was a major factor in the lead up to ww1 in my opinion.

 

I have seen it stated that the NSDAP was a party of the middle class, rather than of workers and also that Nazism was created/driven by big business. The first to distance National Socialism from Socialism and the latter to try and create the impression that Capitalism deliberately leads to war ('most efficient means of production yet devised' types).

 

Hitlers National "Socialism" blueprint was a Nationalism focused social movement across society/classes with a common Nationalism focused purpose, not the Socialism of Marx and Engels as some claim but its power base was serving the masses, not Industry, which it subjugated to the state, along with the population. The Nazis were opposed to what they saw as Jewish Bolshevik internationalism.

 

I think few understand the social contract with the Nazis, which was we agree to hand over authority to you as the party that will fix things. At Nuremberg Hitler said that absolute obedience was required all the way from the very bottom to the very top, and this was effectively what the populace agreed to do. It was handed to him/the party more than it was top down enforced on them. They agreed to subjugate themselves to the state for the common good in peacetime, before war was on the horizon..

 

 

 

Can't disagree with what you write here 😀

And I wish everyone - rightwing and leftwing - a Happy New Year!

[mokwit]

11 minutes ago, KhaoTakiab said:

Can't disagree with what you write here 😀

And I wish everyone - rightwing and leftwing - a Happy New Year!

My initial post was not clear as to what I meant.

 

Correction: 'most efficient means of CONSUMPTION yet devised' types

[novacova]

5 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Can’t sleep.

Eat less processed carbs and more protein, exercise, don’t worry about what others say on this forum and take it light. Happy new year 

[novacova]

2 hours ago, KhaoTakiab said:

And I wish everyone - rightwing and leftwing - a Happy New Year!

Happy new year to all AN Wingnuts!

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Every single topic started by riclag is a trolling post.

Just because he posts things you disagree with doesn't make him a troll, but complaining about it says much about you.

[jerrymahoney]

Just look to all the topics started on the Soapbox with a link to the NY Post or Fox News and look who started it.

[spidermike007]

18 hours ago, TedG said:

 

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/trump-campaign-press-release-fact-trump-has-been-tougher-russia-than-biden

 

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

 

 

Well there's sure a lot of credibility with a Trump campaign press release, isn't  there? 

[NickyLouie]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Well there's sure a lot of credibility with a Trump campaign press release, isn't  there? 

 

Going to be absolutely wonderful seeing the Kamala supporters (LOSERS) squirm and feel all insecure about themselves the next 4 years now that Trump is running the show again.

 

 

 

 

[riclag]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just because he posts things you disagree with doesn't make him a troll, but complaining about it says much about you.

The intolerance of it all!

99% of the time I post with sources ,

the same ones World News uses.

[riclag]

46 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

 

Going to be absolutely wonderful seeing the Kamala supporters (LOSERS) squirm and feel all insecure about themselves the next 4 years now that Trump is running the show again.

 

 

 

 

Brilliant!

 

Im looking forward to  it spreading 

to other leftest controlled countries.

Trump will be the leader of the Free World  again!

[TedG]

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Well there's sure a lot of credibility with a Trump campaign press release, isn't  there? 

Your original post had zero credibility.   Did you even read the links? 

[SiSePuede419]

Another uneducated Chad who thinks opinions that agree with his are actually superior to facts.

 

#1-4 are all opinions, not facts.

 

Learn the difference (if you are capable of learning). 🤣

 

The difference between opinions and facts lies in their nature and verifiability:

Facts

Definition: Statements that can be proven true or false through objective evidence.

Verifiability: Supported by data, observation, or reliable sources.

Universality: True regardless of personal beliefs or perspectives.

Example: The Earth orbits the Sun.

Opinions

Definition: Personal beliefs, judgments, or feelings that are subjective.

Verifiability: Cannot be proven true or false in an objective way.

Subjectivity: Varies between individuals or groups.

Example: "Vanilla ice cream is better than chocolate."

In short, facts are objective and evidence-based, while opinions are subjective and reflect individual perspectives.

 

[metisdead]

A post with a vulgar and profane trolling image has been removed.

[jippytum]

Bad losers tend to be toxit. Like Joe and his missus. 

[TedG]

3 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Another uneducated Chad who thinks opinions that agree with his are actually superior to facts.

 

#1-4 are all opinions, not facts.

 

Learn the difference (if you are capable of learning). 🤣

 

The difference between opinions and facts lies in their nature and verifiability:

Facts

Definition: Statements that can be proven true or false through objective evidence.

Verifiability: Supported by data, observation, or reliable sources.

Universality: True regardless of personal beliefs or perspectives.

Example: The Earth orbits the Sun.

Opinions

Definition: Personal beliefs, judgments, or feelings that are subjective.

Verifiability: Cannot be proven true or false in an objective way.

Subjectivity: Varies between individuals or groups.

Example: "Vanilla ice cream is better than chocolate."

In short, facts are objective and evidence-based, while opinions are subjective and reflect individual perspectives.

 

 

 

Maybe you should talk a stab at dismantling the article.  Anyway, people who talk about facts never bring facts to the table.  

[The Old Bull]

Lets get this one straight there is no left in the US. You only have right and extreme right. Both have had a go at fixing things and both have failed so they blame each other. For starters they should stop building jails and try to get to the root cause why there is so much crime ,maybe poverty and lack of education. It behooves any nation to have a healthy and well educated population to compete in the world market. Maybe that would be a good place to start. Negativity will not fix anything.

[WDSmart]

On 12/30/2024 at 6:59 PM, riclag said:

1. Leftist insanity?

2. Open Borders?

3.The economy?

4. Attacking Trump?

 

“Americans now associate dems with high crime,high prices,migrant gangs taking over cities and biological men in women sports, which has as much appeal as expired milk”.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/12/29/opinion/realistic-dems-are-finally-realizing-their-toxic-party-needs-an-overhaul/

 

There is a NYP survey  about the topic 

in the link!

I'm an "American" (citizen of the USA) and a lifelong Democrat.

1. Democrats are not insane; in fact, many, like me, are "woke."
2. Democrats do not want "open" borders, but we do want borders that accommodate refugees.
3. The economy under Democrat presidents has been better than that under Republican presidents for the past 40 years.
4. Democrats do attack Trump. That's understandable and will continue.

I don't associate Democrats with "high crime, high prices, migrant gangs taking over cities." I do associate Democrats with "biological men in women sports" (and vice-versa), I call that recognizing the rights of transgender people. 

If you think Democrats have "as much appeal as expired milk," you would have to explain why about 47% of the voters in the last presidential election voted for the Democrat candidate. 



 

[spidermike007]

Why are so many Republicans so obsessed and plagued with DDS? Get on with your lives, guys. There is so much more to life than super toxic dems and Republicans. 

[CallumWK]

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Get on with your lives, guys. There is so much more to life than super toxic dems and Republicans. 

 

Maybe you should take your own advice, then 90% of your posts wouldn't be anti-Trump posts

[bendejo]

Why is the Dem party so toxic?

 

Probably for the same reason the Republicans are so adverse to fact-checking.

 

 

[spidermike007]

5 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Maybe you should take your own advice, then 90% of your posts wouldn't be anti-Trump posts

Trump richly deserves the criticism. Respect has to be earned, and should never be freely given. 

[Gottfrid]

On 12/31/2024 at 7:43 PM, riclag said:

When they can figure out why they lost

and admit it( 4 OP categories) perhaps the leftist from other countries will get it. Economy & Open borders rhyme with this narrative below!

“More Democrats fear the party’s image isn’t just damaged – it’s broken”

Everyone agrees they lost the working class, but they’re deeply divided on where to place the blame — and what to do about it”

 

 

Democrats from both wings of the party agreed they have stopped knowing how to talk to the working class, once the very core of their identity.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/10/democratic-party-crisis-mode-00188547

 

 

Something tells me Sir Gottfrid you’re not from my country! You sir are clueless to America historical traditions!The radical 

dems extremism(Woke  DEI) destroyed their brains,

completely out of touch with tradition,

1. We don’t ever use lawfare to thwart & persecute the leading candidate for office.

2. We dont use & abuse illegal entry to gain entrance to our country.

3.We frown on biological males competing in womans sports 

4 . Leftist insanity , creating a crisis in Ukraine & Middle East , illegal migration and campaigning on fixing it!

Oh, yes! Everyone who is not from the US are clueless. You can stop it there. Already made yourself ridiculous with that comment.

[Gottfrid]

On 12/31/2024 at 7:17 PM, Yagoda said:

Im a Registered Democrat

Ok, thanks for sharing.