American on Dirt Bike Kills Thai Woman Crossing Road in Chiang Mai

[thaipo7]

5 hours ago, JoePai said:

Sorry where does it say the rider was "acting an idiot" ?

Sorry, where does it say the rider was "not acting an idiot?"  Apply common sense.

[Rampant Rabbit]

5 hours ago, KhunLA said:

It's a dirt bike, so probably shouldn't even have been on the road.

 

58 is middle aged, I wish 

dirt bike is meaningless, many so called "dirtbikes" are perfectly road  legal, than ask how he got a "dirtbike"  onto the dirt............

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[harryviking]

8 hours ago, smedly said:

acting an idiot on your dirt bike, no sympathy for your reckless behavior..................idiot

 

 

RIP

And what if that woman just went straight into the road without looking out for traffic? That happens you know...  Big mouth....

[Ralf001]

4 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

dirt bike is meaningless, many so called "dirtbikes" are perfectly road  legal, than ask how he got a "dirtbike"  onto the dirt............

 

In the back of a pickup, on a trailer or even on a dirtbike carrier are all fairly common ways to get ones dirt bike onto the dirt !

 

[Lee4Life]

5 hours ago, PJ71 said:

hahhahahahahahahahaha

Enduro Bikes are considered dirt bikes here, but I understand the haha....how many of the vehicles really should be on the roads here?

 

[ravip]

Idiots are born in every country. Just that the Idiots accuse others, rather than themselves. 

 

Don't we see that often, here? 

[mr_lob]

8 hours ago, ozz1 said:

Off to the monkey house for you kneeling won't bring back a life idiots on bikes again

Actually maybe not. A reckless, speeding truck driver killed my driver and 2 foreign customers. He got a 5000 baht fine and was back driving the next week!

[Rampant Rabbit]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

That wasn't shown in the OP, and I don't care that much about some dude running over someone who doesn't know how to crass the street safely,  to search out news-blips about.  

 

Digesting after my brekkie, or wouldn't even bother replying to comments.

 

OK, took a peek at the KhaoSod blip, and notice it is registered & insured ... but ... is that for trail or street, as I don't the the required turning signals, or headlights, for it to be street legal.

 

 

 

[ravip]

15 minutes ago, harryviking said:

And what if that woman just went straight into the road without looking out for traffic? That happens you know...  Big mouth....

Okay. So according to you she deserves it. Big...???

[Rampant Rabbit]

15 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

In the back of a pickup, on a trailer or even on a dirtbike carrier are all fairly common ways to get ones dirt bike onto the dirt !

 

its an on road dirt bike with indicators

[Rampant Rabbit]

16 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

In the back of a pickup, on a trailer or even on a dirtbike carrier are all fairly common ways to get ones dirt bike onto the dirt !

 

i dont see his trailer or pickup

[mikeymike100]

6 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

No sorrow from me for Morrow. 

 

Now the guy is distraught, bloody loser, hope he rots in a Thai prison. 

 

 

So without knowing the the full facts you assume he is totally to blame?

He might well be, but until they have investigated the matter, nobody really knows?

[Jiggo]

6 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Bunch of inexperienced idiots on motorcycles on the roads now.

What Bunch, please name them and their experience levels.

[ChrisKC]

6 hours ago, novacova said:

You can file me in that bunch as I witness careless foreigners on the roads every day that per capita far out weigh the local folks up here.

Circumstances alter cases.

 

I file you as prejudiced!

[TedG]

15 minutes ago, ravip said:

Okay. So according to you she deserves it. Big...???

If you walk into traffic without looking, it’s your fault.  

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[newbee2022]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

When riding a motorbike or a car in Thailand, one always has to be on the lookout, have eyes on the front side, and back of your head, always looking for pedestrians, bicycles, motorbikes, dogs, cows, cars and trucks, otherwise it's just a hazard waiting to happen.

 

If this guy had been sharp enough he would have seen her, she didn't just appear out of nowhere, so he was either going too fast, driving recklessly, drunk or just not paying attention. All of which are crimes if you're on the road. 

Yes, that's true. Thank you. But as you can see there are many here on AN who disagree. Looking down to poor Thai people, just burning petrol on dirt bikes or ATVs. Killing this woman is considered as collateral damage obviously.😳

[PeeJayEm]

6 hours ago, BarBoy said:

That would depend on where she was crossing the road.

 

At a crosswalk when the lights are on red then yes, that is correct.

 

But as of yet we don't know where she attempted to cross. Pedestrians have no rights at all on main roads unless they use the designated crossings.

I can hardly believe the idiocy in which this is written. I hope the writer does not have a driving license.  - Blaming a road death on a pedestrian and presuming rights of way for motor vehicles over the rights of life of pedestrians.

[Gecko123]

The notion that Thai pedestrians regularly wander into oncoming traffic like headless chickens is something I have almost never witnessed. If anything Thais are more cautious pedestrians than those in the West. The only exception I've experienced in 20+ years here is an elderly woman on a back road not far from my house who abruptly decided to cross the street on her way back home not far from my house. Either she was deaf or the wind was so strong she couldn't hear my approaching pickup.

 

Problem is a lot of elderly people can only move so fast, and if they misjudge that the road is clear and start crossing the road, and suddenly a speeding vehicle approaches, they simply can't get out of the way the same way a younger person might be able to.  

 

All foreigners need to drive with utmost caution here; nowhere should the admonition "you are a guest here"  be more stringently adhered to than when one is behind the wheel.

[Captain Flack]

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[impulse]

9 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Police have indicated they will charge him with reckless driving causing death.

 That sounds like a charge that could carry significant time in prison.

 

Beyond the guessing, the finger pointing and the Yank and Thai bashing, I wonder what the guy's best next step is? 

 

My hope is that he can call the American Consulate and they can refer him to an English speaking lawyer to help him through the process. 

 

Obviously, everyone has their own risk tolerance limit, but I've never thought it was a good idea to rent a scooter (or a car) as a tourist in a country like Thailand where they drive on the other side of the road, the driving habits are, well, foreign, and a mistake could see me banged up in the Bangkok Hilton. 

 

I didn't start driving in Thailand for quite awhile, until I got the lay of the land and traffic etiquette.  And that was with the knowledge that my company had standing and a team of lawyers if something went sideways.  

 

Anyone had the same experience, and know what the guy should do next?  Because, there but for the grace of God...  (Or luck of the draw if you're agnostic.)  Any one of us could find ourselves in the same predicament.

[fredwiggy]

6 hours ago, novacova said:

I’m from the US

Hey, the women was walking and he was riding a machine. What about that don’t you understand? Apply some wisdom. Pedestrians have the right-of-way where we come from and here as well.

I understand fully how many pedestrians get hit by vehicles because they walked into a road where vehicles were moving without looking. Pedestrians have the right of way of course but some choose to walk right into oncoming traffic when a vehicle is doing the speed limit and has no chance of stopping. If this was a cross walk the pedestrian also has the right of way and vehicles should be watching for pedestrians that might cross. Since we don't know the full story as there isn't (yet or maybe) CCTV which might show it clearer, one can only guess who's fault it was.

[fredwiggy]

6 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Ha, ha, another Thai basher who been burnt, suck eggs dude 😂

 

The rider is being charged with reckless driving.
 

I've been riding in Thailand for over 20 years, never any prejudice regarding traffic incidents. 

 

Maybe Thailand is not for you, see ya 

For being here so long you seem not to know what actually goes on here, and who is shown a pardon and who prejudice, as far as traffic accidents are concerned. I'm not a Thai basher and didn't show that here in any case. I'm a realist. You don't charge someone without knowing the evidence. If the police assumed what happened, that's showing prejudice.

[fredwiggy]

5 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Nice bit of victim blaming there Fred.

Best farang apologist comment for the year so far.

Another assumption. I didn't say who was at fault. I suggested possibilities. Try comprehending better before you reply.

[fredwiggy]

3 hours ago, andre47 said:

Sorry for this accident, but here in Pattaya, far too many farangs race their motorcycles at very high speeds without any consideration. What's more, the vehicles are often rigged and make a hellish noise. I would pay a lot of money out of my own pocket to support the police in taking action against these hooligans. No mercy!

Of course they do, as well as thousands of locals, and the lack of enforcement for both happens daily.

[Red Forever]

6 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Whose at fault here from the comments seems to depend on whether you like the US or not

Your paranoia is showing.

[fredwiggy]

3 hours ago, Spock said:

He is being charged with reckless driving causing death so there must be some element of dangerous driving associated with the accident. He probably just emulates Thai style driving which includes ignoring people on pedestrian crossing let alone those crossing elsewhere.

Again, if they charged him without any evidence besides that he hit the woman that's wrong, and maybe prejudicial. People, pedestrians, get hit every day in many countries because they did something without thinking. Pedestrians also get hit because the driver that hit them was doing something wrong, so again, until there is evidence, you cannot charge someone with anything. If you do, you're assuming, and that's wrong period.

[newbee2022]

39 minutes ago, PeeJayEm said:

I can hardly believe the idiocy in which this is written. I hope the writer does not have a driving license.  - Blaming a road death on a pedestrian and presuming rights of way for motor vehicles over the rights of life of pedestrians.

Well his name says it all: BAR BOY🤣

 

 

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

its an on road dirt bike with indicators

 

Yeah, I have CRF300 albeit set up as a motard.